A Brilliant Analysis of Western Decline...

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This morn, a poster did this victory chant:
".....you got your ass kicked in New York City, in Virginia, and on 6Nov12. With this kind of nonsense, may well get it kicked again Nov14, as well as Nov16."

Hard for me to recognize how many don't realize that they are witnessing...and assisting....in the death of this great society.



For my lights, Western Civilization began to die when the French Revolution made its aim replacing religion with reason, mindless of the fact that reason, or science, have no moral basis. As such, the French Revolution became the template for every bloody totalitarian dictatorship in the modern world.






1. But one of my fav thinkers, Camille Paglia, has an insightful take on the matter...." But no subject gets her going more than when I ask if she really sees a connection between society's attempts to paper over the biological distinction between men and women and the collapse of Western civilization.

2. .... pointing to the diminished status of military service. "The entire elite class now, in finance, in politics and so on, none of them have military service—hardly anyone, there are a few. But there is no prestige attached to it anymore. That is a recipe for disaster,"...

a. .... people don't think in military ways, so there's this illusion out there that people are basically nice, people are basically kind, if we're just nice and benevolent to everyone they'll be nice too.

[May I interject that that is the exact distinction between the American Revolution, and the French!
America's Founders believed no such thing, and that is the reason we have checks and balances.]




4. Ms. Paglia argues that the softening of modern American society begins as early as kindergarten.
"Primary-school education is a crock, basically. It's oppressive to anyone with physical energy, especially guys," she says,... does everything in its power to turn boys into neuters.".... Almost one in five high-school-age boys has been diagnosed with ADHD, boys get worse grades than girls and are less likely to go to college.

a. She sees the tacit elevation of "female values"—such as sensitivity, socialization and cooperation—as the main aim of teachers, rather than fostering creative energy and teaching hard geographical and historical facts.

5. "This PC gender politics thing—the way gender is being taught in the universities—in a very anti-male way, it's all about neutralization of maleness." The result: Upper-middle-class men who are "intimidated" and "can't say anything. . . . They understand the agenda." In other words: They avoid goring certain sacred cows by "never telling the truth to women" ...

6. A key part of the remedy, she believes, is a "revalorization" of traditional male trades—the ones that allow women's studies professors to drive to work (roads), take the elevator to their office (construction), read in the library (electricity), and go to gender-neutral restrooms (plumbing).

a. " Michelle Obama's going on: 'Everybody must have college.' Why? Why? What is the reason why everyone has to go to college? Especially when college is so utterly meaningless right now, it has no core curriculum" and "people end up saddled with huge debts," ......





7. ... iconoclastic women of the 1930s, like Earhart and Katharine Hepburn, remain her ideal feminist role models: independent, brave, enterprising, capable of competing with men without bashing them. But since at least the late 1960s, she says, fellow feminists in the academy stopped sharing her vision of "equal-opportunity feminism" that demands a level playing field without demanding special quotas or protections for women.

a. there was the time she "barely got through the dinner" with a group of women's studies professors at Bennington College, where she had her first teaching job, who insisted that there is no hormonal difference between men and women. "I left before dessert."






8. .... these ideological excesses bear much of the blame for the current cultural decline. She calls out activists like Gloria Steinem, Naomi Wolf and Susan Faludi for pushing a version of feminism that says gender is nothing more than a social construct, and groups like the National Organization for Women for making abortion the singular women's issue..... and falsely promised that women could "have it all." And by impugning women who chose to forgo careers to stay at home with children, feminists turned off many who might have happily joined their ranks.




9. ... "I want every 14-year-old girl . . . to be told: You better start thinking what do you want in life. If you just want a career and no children you don't have much to worry about. If, however, you are thinking you'd like to have children some day you should start thinking about when do you want to have them. Early or late? To have them early means you are going to make a career sacrifice, but you're going to have more energy and less risks.

10. To save feminism as a political movement from irrelevance, Ms. Paglia says, the women's movement should return to its roots. That means abandoning the "nanny state" mentality that led to politically correct speech codes and college disciplinary committees that have come to replace courts.
The movement can win converts, she says, but it needs to become a big tent, one "open to stay-at-home moms" and "not just the career woman."
The Weekend Interview With Camille Paglia: A Feminist Defense of Masculine Virtues - WSJ.com




If only men could, once again, be men.....not some ObamaCare incarnation like 'pajama boy.'
 
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Wow, Western Civilization began to die before we eradicated the plague and smallpox from the earth? Before we split the atom and landed on the Moon?

The greatest threat to modern society is anti-intellectual drivel like this.
 
Wow, Western Civilization began to die before we eradicated the plague and smallpox from the earth? Before we split the atom and landed on the Moon?

The greatest threat to modern society is anti-intellectual drivel like this.



Not new, but once again, you demonstrate an astounding dearth of understanding of events going on all around you.


Sadly, you're not alone.
 
Wow, Western Civilization began to die before we eradicated the plague and smallpox from the earth? Before we split the atom and landed on the Moon?

The greatest threat to modern society is anti-intellectual drivel like this.



Not new, but once again, you demonstrate an astounding dearth of understanding of events going on all around you.


Sadly, you're not alone.

Oh, are you one of those anti-vaccine people on top of everything else?

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Wow, Western Civilization began to die before we eradicated the plague and smallpox from the earth? Before we split the atom and landed on the Moon?

The greatest threat to modern society is anti-intellectual drivel like this.


The health of Western Civilization doesn't center on its scientific efforts...it depends upon the ideology which makes such science possible.

Just sayin'.
 
Wow, Western Civilization began to die before we eradicated the plague and smallpox from the earth? Before we split the atom and landed on the Moon?

The greatest threat to modern society is anti-intellectual drivel like this.


The health of Western Civilization doesn't center on its scientific efforts...it depends upon the ideology which makes such science possible.

Just sayin'.

INDEED!!!

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Wow, Western Civilization began to die before we eradicated the plague and smallpox from the earth? Before we split the atom and landed on the Moon?

The greatest threat to modern society is anti-intellectual drivel like this.

^ Runner up for the Pajama Boy ad
 
I couldn't agree more.
The "desexualization" of our society is a HUUUGE problem.
A positive family atmosphere needs a strong male influence equal to the female, more compassionate, influence. It takes both. And today we are sorely missing the former.
 
I couldn't agree more.
The "desexualization" of our society is a HUUUGE problem.
A positive family atmosphere needs a strong male influence equal to the female, more compassionate, influence. It takes both. And today we are sorely missing the former.

I blame the Bible, what with that softy Jesus, and that crybaby King David.

Jk, of course :rolleyes:
 
Religion and strong traditional families is the moral social glue that has held western civilization together for centuries.

Which is why both are under attack by atheists/socialists/liberals/progressives/communists.

Because their social agenda can't move forward until religion is neutered and the traditional family is destroyed. ... :doubt:
 
Commerce, science and war was and always have been the driving forces in the rise of western civilization.

We ain't dead yet by a long shot.
 
This morn, a poster did this victory chant:
".....you got your ass kicked in New York City, in Virginia, and on 6Nov12. With this kind of nonsense, may well get it kicked again Nov14, as well as Nov16."

Hard for me to recognize how many don't realize that they are witnessing...and assisting....in the death of this great society.



For my lights, Western Civilization began to die when the French Revolution made its aim replacing religion with reason, mindless of the fact that reason, or science, have no moral basis. As such, the French Revolution became the template for every bloody totalitarian dictatorship in the modern world.

I would not say that reason has no moral basis since all of mankind was born with innate natural moral law (set by God of course). And our moral conscience is based on that kind of reason. "Reason," the word is too generic to define.

Pure science may have no moral compass, on that I would agree. The French Revolution was a seminal political ideology that propagated far more moral decay than moral or civil advancement, yes, I agree on that as well. When society refuses to acknowledge and reverence its creator, but instead ignore the thought, great perils await and sin flourishes. Intellectual pride has surely propagated this secular humanist attitude and psychology, and we all suffer because of it. I think our nation and present Western civilization is far more rotten out on the inside than can be seen by most on the outside. God is not one to be mocked.

ps - who is pajama boy?
 
Pretending ONLY Christains have morals is a lie people .


You are breaking the tennents for your own religion.


Dont slander your neighbor remember.


why do US cons make such shitty Christians?
 
Pretending ONLY Christains have morals is a lie people .


You are breaking the tennents for your own religion.


Dont slander your neighbor remember.


Man had morals long before he invented religion


Why do US cons make such shitty Christians?



Good question, not arguing.

Question for you: Why do "men who had morals long before he invented religion" have such shitty morals?
 
I would not say that reason has no moral basis since all of mankind was born with innate natural moral law (set by God of course). And our moral conscience is based on that kind of reason. "Reason," the word is too generic to define.

Pure science may have no moral compass, on that I would agree. The French Revolution was a seminal political ideology that propagated far more moral decay than moral or civil advancement, yes, I agree on that as well. When society refuses to acknowledge and reverence its creator, but instead ignore the thought, great perils await and sin flourishes. Intellectual pride has surely propagated this secular humanist attitude and psychology, and we all suffer because of it. I think our nation and present Western civilization is far more rotten out on the inside than can be seen by most on the outside. God is not one to be mocked.

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."--TJ

It's been my experience that people don't mock God, they mock the invented gods of religion.

man had morals long before he invented religion

Truth indeed. Our morality is innate, which is, ironically, laid out in the allegory of Genesis. We eat of the apple when we develop full self-awareness. This forces us to be able to see how others are affected by our actions, no matter how hard we try to ignore it. We can see ourselves in our victim's shoes. Heed that or hate yourself, there's no alternative.

No, reason has no moral basis, but morality has a reasonable basis.
 
Religion and strong traditional families is the moral social glue that has held western civilization together for centuries.

Which is why both are under attack by atheists/socialists/liberals/progressives/communists.

Because their social agenda can't move forward until religion is neutered and the traditional family is destroyed. ... :doubt:




And, in that connection....

1. As one of his friends later recalled, "Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov (Lenin) had the courage to come out and say openly that famine would have numerous positive results...Famine, he explained....would bring about the next stage more rapidly, and usher in socialism, the stage that necessarily followed capitalism. Famine would also destroy faith, not only in the tsar, but in God, too."
The Black Book of Communism, p.123-124.



2. This concept is an essential element of Marxism. As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism." If God exists ...the whole edifice of Marxism collapses.

When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor.
The Schwarz Report | Essays


3. Atheism is why Darwin is so very necessary to this nihilist view of life: Marx could claim that science approved of his motivations.

No God, no purpose in the universe.....then 'we' must take the crusade for Utopia into our own hands.....the proper laws, the proper government....and they can change man's nature: from one species into another.

"The human species, the sluggish Homo sapiens, will once again enter the stage of radical reconstruction and become in his own hands the object of the most complex methods of artificial selection and psychophysical training... Man will make it his goal...to create a higher sociobiological type, a superman, if you will."
Leon Trotsky

a. Even in the 19th century, as religious conviction waned, the warnings were there. Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’


There is an indivisible bond tying Marxism, atheism, materialism, secularism.....and Liberalism.
 
This morn, a poster did this victory chant:
".....you got your ass kicked in New York City, in Virginia, and on 6Nov12. With this kind of nonsense, may well get it kicked again Nov14, as well as Nov16."

Hard for me to recognize how many don't realize that they are witnessing...and assisting....in the death of this great society.



For my lights, Western Civilization began to die when the French Revolution made its aim replacing religion with reason, mindless of the fact that reason, or science, have no moral basis. As such, the French Revolution became the template for every bloody totalitarian dictatorship in the modern world.

I would not say that reason has no moral basis since all of mankind was born with innate natural moral law (set by God of course). And our moral conscience is based on that kind of reason. "Reason," the word is too generic to define.

Pure science may have no moral compass, on that I would agree. The French Revolution was a seminal political ideology that propagated far more moral decay than moral or civil advancement, yes, I agree on that as well. When society refuses to acknowledge and reverence its creator, but instead ignore the thought, great perils await and sin flourishes. Intellectual pride has surely propagated this secular humanist attitude and psychology, and we all suffer because of it. I think our nation and present Western civilization is far more rotten out on the inside than can be seen by most on the outside. God is not one to be mocked.

ps - who is pajama boy?


"...all of mankind was born with innate natural moral law..."
If only that were true.


Pajama boy is the effete boy-man pic used by ObamaCare to 'entice' younger folks to sign up.....see him here:
Left Is Getting Desperate Over Pajama Boy - Fox Nation
 
man had morals long before he invented religion



So.....exactly how old are you?


Can a human being be good without reference to God? Sure….there could be good pagans….or bad religious folks. But God is necessary for morality to survive. Take as an example, a sadist who gets satisfaction from murdering children. If there is no God who declares that such an act is wrong, then my arguing such is simply my opinion versus that of the murderer. Without God, good and evil are a matter of taste.
 
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