911 who did it?

[evenflow1969]

On this 17th anniversary lets remember who killed over 3000 innocent americans and why they did it.

It was not Hindus, Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists, Shintos, Wickens, or even atheists. It was Muslims and they did it in the name of their perverted religion.

We need to stop the PC bullshit about Islam and understand that at its most basic foundations, it is not a religion of peace, it is a religion of murder, intolerance, abuse of women, and hate of all non-muslims.

Now, having said that, there are many good peaceful muslims, but why do we not hear from them? why do they not condemn those who murder in the name of islam?

On this anniversary lets remember the innocents who died, the first responders and everyone else who was victimized by this heinous act, and lets never become so foolish that we forget who did it and why.

Most of them were saudi yet we still call the saudis allies! Anything forbig oil though right!

 

[Skylar]

And by 'return fire', you mean imaginary nonsense they made up? If so, I agree.

if ya don't like the point being made just reword it and respond to the point you wish were/was made, it's a tired old liberal retreat and surrender tactic

As the evidence mounts against Trump,

the collusion evidence?

the conspiracies his supporters make up become more ludicrous, unhinged and ridiculous. And gloriously imaginary.

"gloriously imaginary"? You are admitting you envy those things

Laughing....'envy'? If you're just going to make up words for me whole, do I even need to be here?

And what accusations has Mueller made that weren't backed by evidence? What are Mueller's 'conspiracies'?

Be specific. I mean, after your babble about 'tire old liberal retreat and surrender tactics', then surely you'll stand your ground on Mueller's evidence free accusations and conspiracies.

 

[Skylar]

On this 17th anniversary lets remember who killed over 3000 innocent americans and why they did it.

It was not Hindus, Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists, Shintos, Wickens, or even atheists. It was Muslims and they did it in the name of their perverted religion.

We need to stop the PC bullshit about Islam and understand that at its most basic foundations, it is not a religion of peace, it is a religion of murder, intolerance, abuse of women, and hate of all non-muslims.

Now, having said that, there are many good peaceful muslims, but why do we not hear from them? why do they not condemn those who murder in the name of islam?

On this anniversary lets remember the innocents who died, the first responders and everyone else who was victimized by this heinous act, and lets never become so foolish that we forget who did it and why.

Most of them were saudi yet we still call the saudis allies! Anything forbig oil though right!

And Oklahoma City was committed by Americans. What's your point?

 

[evenflow1969]

On this 17th anniversary lets remember who killed over 3000 innocent americans and why they did it.

It was not Hindus, Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists, Shintos, Wickens, or even atheists. It was Muslims and they did it in the name of their perverted religion.

We need to stop the PC bullshit about Islam and understand that at its most basic foundations, it is not a religion of peace, it is a religion of murder, intolerance, abuse of women, and hate of all non-muslims.

Now, having said that, there are many good peaceful muslims, but why do we not hear from them? why do they not condemn those who murder in the name of islam?

On this anniversary lets remember the innocents who died, the first responders and everyone else who was victimized by this heinous act, and lets never become so foolish that we forget who did it and why.

Most of them were saudi yet we still call the saudis allies! Anything forbig oil though right!

And Oklahoma City was committed by Americans. What's your point?

Do you beleive the saudi governement had nothing to do with it I do not!

 

[Skylar]

On this 17th anniversary lets remember who killed over 3000 innocent americans and why they did it.

It was not Hindus, Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists, Shintos, Wickens, or even atheists. It was Muslims and they did it in the name of their perverted religion.

We need to stop the PC bullshit about Islam and understand that at its most basic foundations, it is not a religion of peace, it is a religion of murder, intolerance, abuse of women, and hate of all non-muslims.

Now, having said that, there are many good peaceful muslims, but why do we not hear from them? why do they not condemn those who murder in the name of islam?

On this anniversary lets remember the innocents who died, the first responders and everyone else who was victimized by this heinous act, and lets never become so foolish that we forget who did it and why.

Most of them were saudi yet we still call the saudis allies! Anything forbig oil though right!

And Oklahoma City was committed by Americans. What's your point?

Do you beleive the saudi governement had nothing to do with it I do not!

I don't believe that 911 was an attack from Saudi Arabia anymore than I believe that Oklahoma city was an attack from the USA>

 

[Doc1]

How can anyone really know what the basic facts are? Most of the gov don't tell the truth nor do the media. Yet y'all sit her spewing your stories like you were on the planes.

Then how do you know 911 even happened? If you're going to get existential and philosophical......you'll have to prove that you're not a brain in a jar responding a program before anything you say has any relevance.

How do I know? I saw a video of two big airplanes flying really fast as they hit the buildings. And then I got pictures from a guy who was there. And then the buildings are gone. But now that I think about who historically has flown planes into things to destroy them? The Japanese that's who! Ok, so it was kamikazes who did it. Is that better for you now troll?

Using your logic....what buildings? What planes? Prove that the WTC ever existed, using your own logic. Or that it was destroyed by planes. Or that anyone died.

If you can't trust anything, good luck.

You people are stuck on stupid. Watch this. The BBC reported bldg. 7's collapse BEFORE it collapsed.
Dumbass.

Yeah....the FDNY had anticipated the collapse of WTC 7 from fire and structural damage hours before it happened. They'd put a transit on the building and measured it as it leaned, bulged and structurally failed.

The FDNY had already pulled all their people from the fire fighting effort and evacuated the area hours before it came down.

How do you not know this?

LOL, you're joke honey. Listen to the report, she is claiming it had already collapsed and you can plainly see it behind her.

How do YOU, a self proclaimed expert not KNOW this? People like you only believe what they want to believe. You are blinded by your inability to think and see beyond what your Government TELLS you.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

just had to follow the lack of evidence. glad I could clear that up for ya

With half a dozen guilty pleas, dozens of indictments and 8 felony convictions, Mueller clearly has some evidence to back his claims.

Against who?

Show us some accusations that Mueller's made that aren't based on the evidence.

all the ones against trump, but the collusion is the whopper

 

[Doc1]

Today alone I've heard conservatives insist that 'Obama paid Putin 1 million dollars to derail the Trump Train',

that's probably just return fire, I can't even begin to tell you how many times something similar has come from liberals about trump

And by 'return fire', you mean imaginary nonsense they made up?

If so, I agree. As the evidence mounts against Trump, the conspiracies his supporters make up become more ludicrous, unhinged and ridiculous. And gloriously imaginary.

I'm betting that you also don't believe that weapons from Libya went to Syria.

 

[Rustic]

On this 17th anniversary lets remember who killed over 3000 innocent americans and why they did it.

It was not Hindus, Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists, Shintos, Wickens, or even atheists. It was Muslims and they did it in the name of their perverted religion.

We need to stop the PC bullshit about Islam and understand that at its most basic foundations, it is not a religion of peace, it is a religion of murder, intolerance, abuse of women, and hate of all non-muslims.

Now, having said that, there are many good peaceful muslims, but why do we not hear from them? why do they not condemn those who murder in the name of islam?

On this anniversary lets remember the innocents who died, the first responders and everyone else who was victimized by this heinous act, and lets never become so foolish that we forget who did it and why.

Lol
Islam is the most repugnant/violent cult on the planet, Nothing else is even close.

And anyone that says Islam is a religion of peace... fuck off you stupid ass motherfuckers

 

[evenflow1969]

On this 17th anniversary lets remember who killed over 3000 innocent americans and why they did it.

It was not Hindus, Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists, Shintos, Wickens, or even atheists. It was Muslims and they did it in the name of their perverted religion.

We need to stop the PC bullshit about Islam and understand that at its most basic foundations, it is not a religion of peace, it is a religion of murder, intolerance, abuse of women, and hate of all non-muslims.

Now, having said that, there are many good peaceful muslims, but why do we not hear from them? why do they not condemn those who murder in the name of islam?

On this anniversary lets remember the innocents who died, the first responders and everyone else who was victimized by this heinous act, and lets never become so foolish that we forget who did it and why.

Most of them were saudi yet we still call the saudis allies! Anything forbig oil though right!

And Oklahoma City was committed by Americans. What's your point?

Do you beleive the saudi governement had nothing to do with it I do not!

I don't believe that 911 was an attack from Saudi Arabia anymore than I believe that Oklahoma city was an attack from the USA>

We went after those responsible for the oklahoma bombings! We did not go after the saudis and Osama was a saudi prince! Suadi Arabia is the numb er one sponser of wahabism the same group most of alcheida was made up of!

 

[Rustic]

Generalization fallacies, straw men, confirmation bias, lies of omission, massive ignorance, and hypocrisy.

These are the only tools the bigots have, and their hallmark.

Lol
You are generalizing you stupid ass motherfucker, there’s only one person that represents Christianity and that’s Jesus Christ

 

[Doc1]

On this 17th anniversary lets remember who killed over 3000 innocent americans and why they did it.

It was not Hindus, Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists, Shintos, Wickens, or even atheists. It was Muslims and they did it in the name of their perverted religion.

We need to stop the PC bullshit about Islam and understand that at its most basic foundations, it is not a religion of peace, it is a religion of murder, intolerance, abuse of women, and hate of all non-muslims.

Now, having said that, there are many good peaceful muslims, but why do we not hear from them? why do they not condemn those who murder in the name of islam?

On this anniversary lets remember the innocents who died, the first responders and everyone else who was victimized by this heinous act, and lets never become so foolish that we forget who did it and why.

Most of them were saudi yet we still call the saudis allies! Anything forbig oil though right!

And Oklahoma City was committed by Americans. What's your point?

Do you beleive the saudi governement had nothing to do with it I do not!

I don't believe that 911 was an attack from Saudi Arabia anymore than I believe that Oklahoma city was an attack from the USA>

Go read this intelligence document

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-con...DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version2.pdf?D=1

 

[Skylar]

Then how do you know 911 even happened? If you're going to get existential and philosophical......you'll have to prove that you're not a brain in a jar responding a program before anything you say has any relevance.

How do I know? I saw a video of two big airplanes flying really fast as they hit the buildings. And then I got pictures from a guy who was there. And then the buildings are gone. But now that I think about who historically has flown planes into things to destroy them? The Japanese that's who! Ok, so it was kamikazes who did it. Is that better for you now troll?

Using your logic....what buildings? What planes? Prove that the WTC ever existed, using your own logic. Or that it was destroyed by planes. Or that anyone died.

If you can't trust anything, good luck.

You people are stuck on stupid. Watch this. The BBC reported bldg. 7's collapse BEFORE it collapsed.
Dumbass.

Yeah....the FDNY had anticipated the collapse of WTC 7 from fire and structural damage hours before it happened. They'd put a transit on the building and measured it as it leaned, bulged and structurally failed.

The FDNY had already pulled all their people from the fire fighting effort and evacuated the area hours before it came down.

How do you not know this?

LOL, you're joke honey. Listen to the report, she is claiming it had already collapsed and you can plainly see it behind her.

Laughing.....the FDNY had been telling people the building was going to collapse for hours.

And you're claiming its all a conspiracy because a reporter jumped the gun by a few minutes?

Laughing....good luck with that.

How do YOU, a self proclaimed expert not KNOW this? People like you only believe what they want to believe. You are blinded by your inability to think and see beyond what your Government TELLS you.

People like me read the accounts of the fire fighters on the ground...who watched WTC 7 burn. The fire fighters who put a transit on its building and measured its rate of leaning and bulging. Who determined that fire and structural damage were going to bring WTC 7 down....with the FDNY pulling their fire fighting effort and evacuated the area hours before WTC 7's collapse.

Laughing.....but you know better, huh?

 

[Skylar]

Generalization fallacies, straw men, confirmation bias, lies of omission, massive ignorance, and hypocrisy.

These are the only tools the bigots have, and their hallmark.

Lol
You are generalizing you stupid ass motherfucker, there’s only one person that represents Christianity and that’s Jesus Christ

Um....the OP generalizes that the 911 hijackers represent Muslims.

 

[Rustic]

Generalization fallacies, straw men, confirmation bias, lies of omission, massive ignorance, and hypocrisy.

These are the only tools the bigots have, and their hallmark.

Lol
You are generalizing you stupid ass motherfucker, there’s only one person that represents Christianity and that’s Jesus Christ

Um....the OP generalizes that the 911 hijackers represent Muslims.

Violent behavior the world over represents Muslims, they cannot tolerate anybody that disagrees with them

 

[Doc1]

How do I know? I saw a video of two big airplanes flying really fast as they hit the buildings. And then I got pictures from a guy who was there. And then the buildings are gone. But now that I think about who historically has flown planes into things to destroy them? The Japanese that's who! Ok, so it was kamikazes who did it. Is that better for you now troll?

Using your logic....what buildings? What planes? Prove that the WTC ever existed, using your own logic. Or that it was destroyed by planes. Or that anyone died.

If you can't trust anything, good luck.

You people are stuck on stupid. Watch this. The BBC reported bldg. 7's collapse BEFORE it collapsed.
Dumbass.

Yeah....the FDNY had anticipated the collapse of WTC 7 from fire and structural damage hours before it happened. They'd put a transit on the building and measured it as it leaned, bulged and structurally failed.

The FDNY had already pulled all their people from the fire fighting effort and evacuated the area hours before it came down.

How do you not know this?

LOL, you're joke honey. Listen to the report, she is claiming it had already collapsed and you can plainly see it behind her.

Laughing.....the FDNY had been telling people the building was going to collapse for hours.

And you're claiming its all a conspiracy because a reporter jumped the gun by a few minutes?

Laughing....good luck with that.

How do YOU, a self proclaimed expert not KNOW this? People like you only believe what they want to believe. You are blinded by your inability to think and see beyond what your Government TELLS you.

People like me read the accounts of the fire fighters on the ground...who watched WTC 7 burn. The fire fighters who put a transit on its building and measured its rate of leaning and bulging. Who determined that fire and structural damage were going to bring WTC 7 down....with the FDNY pulling their fire fighting effort and evacuated the area hours before WTC 7's collapse.

Laughing.....but you know better, huh?

Sorry honey, you're a joke and a shill for the status quo. You get bitch slapped and just pretend it didn't happen. What a convenient little world you live in. You deny any truth but your own, you get decide the "rules" of any game, and you are the sole arbiter of which sources are "real". You are text book kook.

 

[Doc1]

Generalization fallacies, straw men, confirmation bias, lies of omission, massive ignorance, and hypocrisy.

These are the only tools the bigots have, and their hallmark.

Lol
You are generalizing you stupid ass motherfucker, there’s only one person that represents Christianity and that’s Jesus Christ

Um....the OP generalizes that the 911 hijackers represent Muslims.

You mean like you "generalize" that Neo Nazi's represent Conservatives. What a maroon.

 

[Rustic]

Generalization fallacies, straw men, confirmation bias, lies of omission, massive ignorance, and hypocrisy.

These are the only tools the bigots have, and their hallmark.

Lol
You are generalizing you stupid ass motherfucker, there’s only one person that represents Christianity and that’s Jesus Christ

Um....the OP generalizes that the 911 hijackers represent Muslims.

This is who represents Islam/Muslims

THE CRIMES OF THE FALSE PROPHET MUHAMMAD

Muslims are sanctified by the blood of murdered kafirs. If the prophet of Islam, Mohammed, was alive today he would be sitting on death row somewhere waiting for his execution.

What is important to understand is that none of these depraved and criminal acts are seen as crimes to Muslims, except if they are committed by someone else. They are all holy, divine acts that their own prophet indulged in and therefore they have been given the stamp of validation as the moral code to be emulated by all Muslim men. They are all Sunna [The traditional portion of Muslim law based on Muhammad’s words or acts, accepted (together with the Koran) as authoritative by Muslims].

• Molested his wife – six-year-old Baby Aisha. One of Baby Aisha’s wifely duties was to clean semen stains from the prophet’s clothes. The prophet would take a bath with Baby Aisha and ‘thigh’ with Baby Aisha, meaning she was too small to be penetrated so he would take his penis and rub it up and down her thighs and against her vagina. Being a man of ‘mercy’ he did not penetrate Baby Aisha until she was nine.

• Raped Baby Aisha when she was nine (texts have altered her age when Muslims could not explain why their prophet married and consummated the marriage with a small child. Koranic texts makes it clear that Mohammed married her when she was six years old. For a marriage to be legally deemed valid it had to be sexually consummated. The Hadith clearly proves that Mohammed was a notorious pedophile). Advocated sex with baby girls.

• Raped a retarded woman. Murdered a woman. Had sex with his dead aunt.

• Captured women and raped them. Kept women as sex slaves. Muhammad had sex with 61 women: many he raped. There is no consensual sex between a child girl and a man. There is no consensual sex between a master and his sex slave. There is no consensual sex between a woman conquered in war and her husband conqueror. All such sexual acts are rape. RAPE IS RAPE.

• Had eleven wives at one time. Sexually abused his wives. Raped his wives. Forced sex during their menstruation including Baby Aisha. Mentally abused his wives. Can you imagine taking a child (or any aged woman) and molesting with your hand/fist her menstruating vagina?

• Beheaded his enemies. 600/900 Jewish men at one massacre. Had Jewish boys as young as 13 years old beheaded after pulling down their pants and inspecting groin for pubic hair.

• Ordered the murder, torture, terrorization of Christians and Jews if they did not convert to Islam. Forced Christians and Jews from Saudi Arabia (the mass exile).

• Assassinated people for insulting him or Islam. Established totalitarian rule. Had followers and their families burnt alive in their homes for missing prayer.

• Ordered the extermination, torture and terrorization of kafirs. Instigated 60 massacres and personally participated in 27 of them.

• Owned and sold slaves. Enslaved women and children.

• Called his black slaves pug noses and compared them to Satan.

• Treated his black slaves as beasts of burden.

• Lied and cheated. Mohammed encouraged his men to lie to deceive someone in order to get what he wanted.

• Caused division and hatred. Ordered no befriending with Christians and Jews.

• Subjugated and oppressed Muslim women. Required them to cover their faces.

• Married his daughter–in–law.

• Approved prostitution.

• Encouraged the rape of women in front of their husbands.

• Recommended wife beating. Hit his wife – Baby Aisha.

• Murdered prisoners of war. Committed acts of terror.

• Advocated suicide attacks.

• Executed apostates and homosexuals.

• Beat children who didn’t pray. Abolished adoption.

• Honor killings of Muslim women and children.

• Beat alcoholics. Lied.

• Stoned adulators to death. Stoned a woman to death after she had given birth.

• Ordered thief’s hands/feet chopped off.

• Tortured a man out of greed.

• Looted and plundered.

• Preached hate for people of other religions.

• Extorted money from other religions

• Forced conversions to Islam

• Allowed his companions to execute, behead, rape and enslave.

.

References to prophet Mohammed’s crimes:

Hat tip to our reader Craig for the due diligence in providing the references to these claims.

— Muhammad’s marriage to 6yr old Aisha-(Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234 and 236).

— Aisha cleans Muhammad’s semen stains-(Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229-233),

— Muhammad fondling Aisha during her ‘Menses’- (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298-300, Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 1, Number 0270)

— Muhammad liked to have intercourse with Aisha and his other wives when they were menstruating (Sahih Muslim, Book 003, Number 0577-0579),

— He also loved to recite the Quran when his wives were in Menses while lying between their legs!-(Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 296), (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 639)

— Muhammad married his adopted Son’s wife called ‘Zaynab’ after lusting for her and then banned Adoption in Islam- (Surah 33:37,Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 305, Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3330, Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 516,The History of Al-Tabari: The Victory of Islam, translated by Michael Fishbein, 1997], Volume VIII, pp. 2-3)

— Muhammad having sex with his dead Aunt in the Grave-( “Kanz Al Umal” (The Treasure of the Workers, by Ali Ibn Husam Aldin, commonly known as Al-Mutaki Al-Hindi. He based his book on the hadiths and sayings listed in “Al-Jami Al-Saghir,” written by Jalal ul-Din Al-Suyuti.)

— ‘I (Muhammad) put on her my shirt that she may wear the clothes of heaven, and I slept with her in her coffin (grave) that I may lessen the pressure of the grave. She was the best of Allah’s creatures to me after Abu Talib’… The prophet was referring to Fatima , the mother of Ali. “The Arabic word used here for slept is “Id’tajat,” and literally means “lay down” with her. It is often used to mean, “Lay down to have sex.”

— Muhammad and the Quran sanctioned sex with your wives and ‘married’ slave girls-(Quran – 70:22-30, 23:5,6, 4:24, 33:50), — Muhammad speaks of sex with Slave Girls- (Sahih Bukhari – Volume 3, #432, Volume 9, #506, Volume 5, #637, Sahih Muslim, Volume 2, #3371)

— Muhammad disagreed with ‘coitus interruptus’ with slave girls- he supported RAPE.

— Muhammad forces a 17 yr old Jewish girl called Safiyyah to marry him and rapes her on the same day her husband and family are killed in the battle of Khaibar (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 522, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 367).

— Al Tabari reported in his (‘The History of al-Tabari: The Victory of Islam’, Translated by Michael Fishbein) that even some of Muhammad’s wives and companions were shocked that he forced Safiyyah to marry him after beheading her husband, brother and father.

 

[Doc1]

How do I know? I saw a video of two big airplanes flying really fast as they hit the buildings. And then I got pictures from a guy who was there. And then the buildings are gone. But now that I think about who historically has flown planes into things to destroy them? The Japanese that's who! Ok, so it was kamikazes who did it. Is that better for you now troll?

Using your logic....what buildings? What planes? Prove that the WTC ever existed, using your own logic. Or that it was destroyed by planes. Or that anyone died.

If you can't trust anything, good luck.

You people are stuck on stupid. Watch this. The BBC reported bldg. 7's collapse BEFORE it collapsed.
Dumbass.

Yeah....the FDNY had anticipated the collapse of WTC 7 from fire and structural damage hours before it happened. They'd put a transit on the building and measured it as it leaned, bulged and structurally failed.

The FDNY had already pulled all their people from the fire fighting effort and evacuated the area hours before it came down.

How do you not know this?

LOL, you're joke honey. Listen to the report, she is claiming it had already collapsed and you can plainly see it behind her.

Laughing.....the FDNY had been telling people the building was going to collapse for hours.

And you're claiming its all a conspiracy because a reporter jumped the gun by a few minutes?

Laughing....good luck with that.

How do YOU, a self proclaimed expert not KNOW this? People like you only believe what they want to believe. You are blinded by your inability to think and see beyond what your Government TELLS you.

People like me read the accounts of the fire fighters on the ground...who watched WTC 7 burn. The fire fighters who put a transit on its building and measured its rate of leaning and bulging. Who determined that fire and structural damage were going to bring WTC 7 down....with the FDNY pulling their fire fighting effort and evacuated the area hours before WTC 7's collapse.

Laughing.....but you know better, huh?

(smile) You make a lot of claims and post no sources, I make a lot of claims and post sources.....

 

[evenflow1969]

On this 17th anniversary lets remember who killed over 3000 innocent americans and why they did it.

It was not Hindus, Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists, Shintos, Wickens, or even atheists. It was Muslims and they did it in the name of their perverted religion.

We need to stop the PC bullshit about Islam and understand that at its most basic foundations, it is not a religion of peace, it is a religion of murder, intolerance, abuse of women, and hate of all non-muslims.

Now, having said that, there are many good peaceful muslims, but why do we not hear from them? why do they not condemn those who murder in the name of islam?

On this anniversary lets remember the innocents who died, the first responders and everyone else who was victimized by this heinous act, and lets never become so foolish that we forget who did it and why.

Most of them were saudi yet we still call the saudis allies! Anything forbig oil though right!

And Oklahoma City was committed by Americans. What's your point?

Do you beleive the saudi governement had nothing to do with it I do not!

I don't believe that 911 was an attack from Saudi Arabia anymore than I believe that Oklahoma city was an attack from the USA>

Go read this intelligence document

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-con...DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version2.pdf?D=1

I have not seen that report software in over twenty years! It still sucks! You would think we culd spend some of that military money on better software! I bet who ever wrote that report hated the soft ware as much as I did! I guess reports are not sexy but christ they sure take up enough time!