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What draws you to that conclusion?All the facts are out about what happened on 9/11. No cover ups or conspiracies in that regard.
Thousands? The only official investigation that I'm aware of to even attempt to cover all of what happened on 9/11 was the 9/11 Commission. It was composed of 11 Commissioners and a few staff members:
9/11 Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A little history on said commission:
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Work of commissioners after the commission ceased its functions
Months after the commission had officially issued its report and ceased its functions, Chairman Kean and other commissioners toured the country to draw attention to the recommendations of the commission for reducing the terror risk, claiming that some of their recommendations were being ignored. Co-chairs Kean and Hamilton wrote a book about the constraints they faced as commissioners titled Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission.
The book was released on August 15, 2006 and chronicles the work of Kean (Commission Chairman) and Hamilton (Commission Vice-Chairman) of the 9/11 Commission. In the book, Kean and Hamilton charge that the 9/11 Commission was "set up to fail," and write that the commission was so frustrated with repeated misstatements by officials from The Pentagon and the Federal Aviation Administration during the investigation that it considered a separate investigation into possible obstruction of justice by Pentagon and FAA officials.[22]**
Source: 9/11 Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In order for your theory of the Pentagon crash to be true, either all those who worked in the Pentagon, who investigated the accident and were friends and coworkers of those who died would have to be completely stupid or part of the conspiracy.
That statement is wrong on so many different levels. Have you ever heard of a woman named Sibel Edmonds?
Dude, that's the commission.
There were thousands of investigators from various agencies, both public and private (airlines, pilot union, NATCA, etc), involved in the investigation, the clean-up and the aftermath.
All the facts are out about what happened on 9/11. No cover ups or conspiracies in that regard.
What draws you to that conclusion?
Well, for 1 thing we live in the instant-info age. Nothing that floats into anyone's mind these days isn't uploaded and spread within minutes.
Hell, 9/11 CT books hit Amazon before the Tower's dust had settled yet nothing of real value has come from any "Truther's" lips (or books).
...Even NIST couldn't support The American Society of Engineer's "Pancake Theory"; all the evidence demonstrated the buildings simply couldn't collapse in that manner...That's camel crap. The NIST employed a number of independent, non-governmental expert agencies to investigate and determine the nature and cause of the damage from the 9/11 terror attack on US targets. The American Society of Engineers was just one....The only official investigation that I'm aware of to even attempt to cover all of what happened on 9/11 was the 9/11 Commission. It was composed of 11 Commissioners and a few staff members:..
The fact that people can publish pretty much whatever "floats" into their minds is not evidence that the official story is true.Well, for 1 thing we live in the instant-info age. Nothing that floats into anyone's mind these days isn't uploaded and spread within minutes.What draws you to that conclusion?All the facts are out about what happened on 9/11. No cover ups or conspiracies in that regard.
You don't believe there were thousands of people from the FAA, NTSB, airline safety experts, the military, the FBI, the CIA, various first responder groups such as the NYPD and NYFD and a multitude of others were involved in the investigation? Do you truly believe only 11 commissioners and their 80ish staffers were involved?....Thousands of investigators from various agencies? So far, we have the 9/11 Commission, which has 11 Commissioners, as well as perhaps 80 staff members, the most important member being Philip Zelikow, the Executive Director. Here's an interesting bit of information you may not have known about:
**9/11 Commission Executive Director Philip Zelikow and Ernest May, a long-time associate of Zelikow and consultant to the commission, complete an outline of the commission’s final report, although the commission has barely began its work and will not report for another 16 months. The outline is detailed and contains chapter headings, subheadings, and sub-subheadings. The outline anticipates a 16-chapter report (note: the final report only has 13) that starts with a history of al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden’s 1998 fatwa against the US. There will then be chapters on US counterterrorism policy, threat reporting leading up to 9/11, and the attacks themselves will be in chapter seven (in the final report, the day of 9/11 chapter is moved to the start).
"Blinding Effects of Hindsight" - Zelikow and May even have a chapter ten entitled “Problems of Foresight—And Hindsight,” with a sub-chapter on “the blinding effects of hindsight,” (actually chapter 11 in the final report, slightly renamed “Foresight—And Hindsight;” the “blinding effects” sub-heading does not appear in the final version, but the chapter starts with a meditation on the value of hindsight).
Kept Secret - Zelikow shows the report to Commission Chairman Tom Kean and Vice-chairman Lee Hamilton and they like it, but think it could be seen as evidence that they have pre-determined the outcome. Therefore, they all decide it should be kept secret from the commission’s staff. According to May it is “treated as if it were the most classified document the commission possessed.” Zelikow comes up with his own internal classification system, labeling it “Commission Sensitive,” a phrase that appears on the top and bottom of each page.
Staff Alarmed - When the staff find out about it and are given copies over a year later, they are alarmed. They realize that the sections of the report about the Bush administration’s failings will be in the middle of the report, and the reader will have to wade past chapters on al-Qaeda’s history to get to them. Author Philip Shenon will comment: “Many assumed the worst when they saw that Zelikow had proposed a portion of the report entitled ‘The Blinding Effects of Hindsight.’ What ‘blinding hindsight’? They assumed Zelikow was trying to dismiss the value of hindsight regarding the Bush administration’s pre-9/11 performance.” In addition, some staffers begin circulating a parody entitled “The Warren Commission Report—Preemptive Outline.” One of the parody’s chapter headings is “Single Bullet: We Haven’t Seen the Evidence Yet. But Really. We’re Sure.” [9/11 COMMISSION, 7/24/2004; SHENON, 2008, PP. 388-389]**
Source: Complete 911 Timeline: Role of Philip Zelikow
...The only official investigation that I'm aware of to even attempt to cover all of what happened on 9/11 was the 9/11 Commission. It was composed of 11 Commissioners and a few staff members:..
That's camel crap. The NIST employed a number of independent, non-governmental expert agencies to investigate and determine the nature and cause of the damage from the 9/11 terror attack on US targets. The American Society of Engineers was just one.
...Even NIST couldn't support The American Society of Engineer's "Pancake Theory"; all the evidence demonstrated the buildings simply couldn't collapse in that manner...
So you are saying [ASCE] was incompetent or that they are in on the conspiracy...
All the facts are out about what happened on 9/11. No cover ups or conspiracies in that regard.
What draws you to that conclusion?
Well, for 1 thing we live in the instant-info age. Nothing that floats into anyone's mind these days isn't uploaded and spread within minutes.
The fact that people can publish pretty much whatever "floats" into their minds is not evidence that the official story is true.
No but it does cause rational people to apply the same measure of skepticism to what they find on the Internet that they do to the official findings.
In fact, given the creds and reputations of the non-gov't agencies that investigated 9/11, I'd say extra skepticism should be heaped on the "findings" of those in it for fame, fortune and book tours.
That you find GlobalResearch to be a credible source says all one needs to know about you.
....Thousands of investigators from various agencies? So far, we have the 9/11 Commission, which has 11 Commissioners, as well as perhaps 80 staff members, the most important member being Philip Zelikow, the Executive Director. Here's an interesting bit of information you may not have known about:
**9/11 Commission Executive Director Philip Zelikow and Ernest May, a long-time associate of Zelikow and consultant to the commission, complete an outline of the commission’s final report, although the commission has barely began its work and will not report for another 16 months. The outline is detailed and contains chapter headings, subheadings, and sub-subheadings. The outline anticipates a 16-chapter report (note: the final report only has 13) that starts with a history of al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden’s 1998 fatwa against the US. There will then be chapters on US counterterrorism policy, threat reporting leading up to 9/11, and the attacks themselves will be in chapter seven (in the final report, the day of 9/11 chapter is moved to the start).
"Blinding Effects of Hindsight" - Zelikow and May even have a chapter ten entitled “Problems of Foresight—And Hindsight,” with a sub-chapter on “the blinding effects of hindsight,” (actually chapter 11 in the final report, slightly renamed “Foresight—And Hindsight;” the “blinding effects” sub-heading does not appear in the final version, but the chapter starts with a meditation on the value of hindsight).
Kept Secret - Zelikow shows the report to Commission Chairman Tom Kean and Vice-chairman Lee Hamilton and they like it, but think it could be seen as evidence that they have pre-determined the outcome. Therefore, they all decide it should be kept secret from the commission’s staff. According to May it is “treated as if it were the most classified document the commission possessed.” Zelikow comes up with his own internal classification system, labeling it “Commission Sensitive,” a phrase that appears on the top and bottom of each page.
Staff Alarmed - When the staff find out about it and are given copies over a year later, they are alarmed. They realize that the sections of the report about the Bush administration’s failings will be in the middle of the report, and the reader will have to wade past chapters on al-Qaeda’s history to get to them. Author Philip Shenon will comment: “Many assumed the worst when they saw that Zelikow had proposed a portion of the report entitled ‘The Blinding Effects of Hindsight.’ What ‘blinding hindsight’? They assumed Zelikow was trying to dismiss the value of hindsight regarding the Bush administration’s pre-9/11 performance.” In addition, some staffers begin circulating a parody entitled “The Warren Commission Report—Preemptive Outline.” One of the parody’s chapter headings is “Single Bullet: We Haven’t Seen the Evidence Yet. But Really. We’re Sure.” [9/11 COMMISSION, 7/24/2004; SHENON, 2008, PP. 388-389]**
Source: Complete 911 Timeline: Role of Philip Zelikow
You don't believe there were thousands of people from the FAA, NTSB, airline safety experts, the military, the FBI, the CIA, various first responder groups such as the NYPD and NYFD and a multitude of others were involved in the investigation?
The term "involvement" is way too vague to be useful here. Personally, I like focusing on individuals. Speaking of someone within the FBI who was "involved" in the investigation of 9/11 shortly after the event, have you heard of a woman called Sibel Edmonds?
The term "involvement" is way too vague to be useful here. Personally, I like focusing on individuals. Speaking of someone within the FBI who was "involved" in the investigation of 9/11 shortly after the event, have you heard of a woman called Sibel Edmonds?
Sorry, sir, but the post was clear.
Do you or do you not believe there were more people "involved" in the investigation of 9/11 than 11 commissioners and 80ish staffers?
Do you really believe there were hundreds of people digging through the rubble of the Pentagon and saying "Where's the fucking airplane?"
Paid shills? "Agent SAYIT"?before last post i see two other paid shills trolled here as well as you.sounds like agent sayit referred you all here to fart and troll in this thread.
The fact you know very little about accident investigation and the agencies involved is revealing. No, sir, I won't ever be able to convince you are wrong. That's not my intention as stated several times previously....Ofcourse. I think you've lost track of the context of my original remark. I'll bold the relevant part:
"The only official investigation that I'm aware of to even attempt to cover all of what happened on 9/11 was the 9/11 Commission. "
Do you really believe there were hundreds of people digging through the rubble of the Pentagon and saying "Where's the fucking airplane?"
Can you cite a source that states that hundreds of people were digging through the rubble of the Pentagon? As to the evidence that a large aircraft didn't crash into the Pentagon, there's a lot of it. I've gone over it before, in the Pentagon Flyover thread, which I'm currently taking a break from.
Do you really believe there were hundreds of people digging through the rubble of the Pentagon and saying "Where's the fucking airplane?"
Can you cite a source that states that hundreds of people were digging through the rubble of the Pentagon? As to the evidence that a large aircraft didn't crash into the Pentagon, there's a lot of it. I've gone over it before, in the Pentagon Flyover thread, which I'm currently taking a break from.
The fact you know very little about accident investigation and the agencies involved is revealing.
No, sir, I won't ever be able to convince you are wrong. That's not my intention as stated several times previously.
before last post i see two other paid shills trolled here as well as you.sounds like agent sayit referred you all here to fart and troll in this thread.
Paid shills? "Agent SAYIT"?
Do you sleep with aluminum foil over your head? In a pyramid tent? Something other than the usual? Just curious.
What do you think I missed?The fact you know very little about accident investigation and the agencies involved is revealing.
What -is- your intention, exactly?No, sir, I won't ever be able to convince you are wrong. That's not my intention as stated several times previously.
The fact you know very little about accident investigation and the agencies involved is revealing.
What do you think I missed?
Specifically? The BOAT.
You already admitted that you know little about the outside agencies who contributed to the NIST findings
No, sir, I won't ever be able to convince you are wrong. That's not my intention as stated several times previously.
What -is- your intention, exactly?
The long unanswered question is what is yours?
Hello, thank you Phoenix for this thread....i saw before a documentary about the twin towers and the architect did say why the twin did not resist the impact of the plane.
Just because they were not built in fonction of a the terrorists attack, may be the matériel was not of great quality ? and we know that those beautiful twin towers cost a lot.
But sometime they build and they want to economise on the matérials they uses...that could be the reason that they collapes ?
Wrong again, it was all humor.Not only is that not specific, that's not even anything other than a metaphor -.-
People do know. What makes you think you know something millions of others do not?I want people to know what really happened on 9/11.