75th Anniversary

[Unkotare]

... could dish it but can't take it.

Oh well.
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What does that mean in this context?

Rape of Nanking.
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Another one who believes we used the atom bomb on behalf of China?

 

[Unkotare]

... had we awakened one morning and decided to declare war on Japan ...

Is that how you think it happened? Everything was just hunky-dory between Japan and the US and one morning...no one could have imagined...

 

[Unkotare]

... If Japan cared about its own people they wouldn't have needed a second bomb ....

Or maybe they would have attempted to reach out and find a path to ending the war long before Aug. 6?

 

[Unkotare]

... We voted ~ no more...

We did?

 

[Anathema]

That tired old story is banal speculation meant to avoid a difficult moral issue.

If it saved even one American life, both bombings were more than worth it.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

There is no moral issue. Japan started a war and lost. End of story.

If you're simple....

Wars are simple things. One side kills the other until one of them either can’t continue the fight or loses the will to continue.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

The atomic bomb saved a million lives, including both American and Japanese

That tired old story is banal speculation meant to avoid a difficult moral issue.

There is no moral issue. Japan started a war and lost. End of story.

If you don't think that targeting and incinerating hundreds of thousands of civilians is a moral issue, you have a very serious moral issue.

I have no moral issues. ....

Then you have no morality. A person can still agree with the decision to use the bomb without cravenly avoiding the central moral issue involved.

There is no moral issue in question. We did what it took to win a war we didn’t start.

But let’s test your morality. Let’s say the US was able to get the bomb much earlier. And we could drop one on Berlin and one on Tokyo in 1942 ending the war years faster.

Do you do it?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

... Japan went through China and other countries enslaving, starving and killing everyone they came into contact with ....

So America used the atomic bomb, not for our own interests but in revenge for other nations? Got a quote from a civilian or military leader making that case?

Like I said. Know your enemy.

 

[Unkotare]

There is no moral issue. Japan started a war and lost. End of story.

If you're simple....

Wars are simple things. One side kills the other until one of them either can’t continue the fight or loses the will to continue.

Wars are anything but simple. Simple people try to frame complex things in simple ways.

 

[Unkotare]

... Japan went through China and other countries enslaving, starving and killing everyone they came into contact with ....

So America used the atomic bomb, not for our own interests but in revenge for other nations? Got a quote from a civilian or military leader making that case?

Like I said. Know your enemy.

That doesn't answer my question. Got a quote?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

... Japan went through China and other countries enslaving, starving and killing everyone they came into contact with ....

So America used the atomic bomb, not for our own interests but in revenge for other nations? Got a quote from a civilian or military leader making that case?

Like I said. Know your enemy.

That doesn't answer my question. Got a quote?

Be SPECIFIC now and link to ANY proposal of peace from the GOVERNMENT of Japan.

 

[The Irish Ram]

... If Japan cared about its own people they wouldn't have needed a second bomb ....

Or maybe they would have attempted to reach out and find a path to ending the war long before Aug. 6?

Did Japan wake up one morning to us bombing them? Because we woke up to them bombing us! IT TOOK TWO BOMBS before Japan "reached out" to end the war. ONE BOMB wasn't enough to convince them. What does that tell you?
Reach out? You need to distinguish between war and a therapy session...

 

[Jimmy_Chitwood]

... could dish it but can't take it.

Oh well.
...

What does that mean in this context?

Rape of Nanking.
....

Another one who believes we used the atom bomb on behalf of China?

Where did I say that?


It worked. Unconditional surrender bay-bee!!

 

[gulfman]

Piss on Japan.If Tojo had the bomb first he would have used it.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

There is no moral issue in question

For you. Good for you.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Piss on Japan.If Tojo had the bomb first he would have used it.

Okay, but we didn't bomb Tojo.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

IT TOOK TWO BOMBS before Japan "reached out" to end the war.

Well that is one of the sticking points. They japanese leadership did not understand the devastation of the first bomb. So they were not making fully informed decisions. Had they had a full understanding, they may well have surrendered after the first bomb. Waiting a week might have allowed this to happen.

 

[Correll]

The atomic bomb saved a million lives, including both American and Japanese

That tired old story is banal speculation meant to avoid a difficult moral issue.

if you want to criticize a decision, considering what would happen if the decision was not make, is completely valid.


claiming otherwise undermines your credibility.

 

[Correll]

There is no moral issue. Japan started a war and lost. End of story.

If you're simple....

Wars are simple things. One side kills the other until one of them either can’t continue the fight or loses the will to continue.

Wars are anything but simple. Simple people try to frame complex things in simple ways.

on the other hand, nuanced thinkers can get lost in details and miss the big picture.


we did kill the germans and the japanese, until they could not continue the fight.

 

[Unkotare]

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Did Japan wake up one morning to us bombing them? Because we woke up to them bombing us! ....

Do you really think that's how it happened? We were good buddies and had no idea a conflict was very likely very soon?