75th Anniversary

[Unkotare]

The ... learned the hard way that you shouldn't fuck with the USA, didn't they?

What in the hell were those morons thinking? Play stupid games and get stupid prizes.

The stupid ... really cooked their goose at Okinawa. They thought it would be cool to fight to the last man and show the Americans that they would suffer heavy losses if they invaded. What could possibly go wrong? However, it didn't quite go as planned, did it? The lesson that the Americans learned was it would be better to just nuke the bastards.

Here we see the impressive scholarship of the Bud Light Breakfast Club type.

 

[Unkotare]

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It seems that only people who hate America have a problem with using the atomic bomb on japan
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This would be an embarrassing fallacy for a middle school playground. Stop wasting time with such juvenile bullshit.

 

[Mac-7]

This would be an embarrassing fallacy for a middle school playground. Stop wasting time with such juvenile bullshit.

Ok

Briefly sum up American history for the period 1945-1955 in your own words

 

[there4eyeM]

So, everyone has again had the opportunity to trot out his regular regurgitation on every anniversary of this event. No one listens to anyone else and nothing is changed. No view is altered. Unspeakable horror was again visited by people upon their brothers and sisters and virtually assures that more unspeakable horrors will be visited upon us. We don't seem able to save ourselves from ourselves.

 

[Jimmy_Chitwood]

75 years since a dark day in human history. Each year there are many ceremonies and visiting dignitaries who gather at the site to memorialize those who died that day, and to resolve to prevent any such actions by anyone in the future. This year, due to the Corona virus, only those remaining survivors and a few government officials were in attendance.

Hiroshima marks 75th A-bomb anniversary, urges unity amid pandemic

Hiroshima marks the 75th anniversary of its atomic bombing by the United States on Thursday, with its mayor urging the world to unite against grave threats to humanity -- be they nuclear weapons or the novel coronavirus pandemic -- by spurning nationalistic and isolationist policies.

english.kyodonews.net

Good call.


More people died at Okinawa than in both Atomic bombs.


We needed more sooner.


The Nips could dish it but can't take it.

Oh well.

NMFP

 

[Missouri_Mike]

The atomic bomb saved a million lives, including both American and Japanese

That tired old story is banal speculation meant to avoid a difficult moral issue.

There is no moral issue. Japan started a war and lost. End of story.

If you don't think that targeting and incinerating hundreds of thousands of civilians is a moral issue, you have a very serious moral issue.

I have no moral issues. Know your enemy. Japan went through China and other countries enslaving, starving and killing everyone they came into contact with the majority of which were civilian. They teamed up with Germany who was hurling rockets into London think there were any civilians there? Japan was sending balloons with bombs to our West coast. Did they have a note on them “military only”? Of course not. If they could have reached LA it would have been gone.

Here’s the morality of the situation. Japan started a war with us and after a long costly fight we ended it in two days by putting a hundred thousand of theirs in the fucking ground. Sucked all the fight right out of them assholes. We lost nobody on mainland Japan to do it. And we didn’t keep going to prove the point. We quit when they quit. That was both moral and merciful.

 

[Flash]

The ... learned the hard way that you shouldn't fuck with the USA, didn't they?

What in the hell were those morons thinking? Play stupid games and get stupid prizes.

The stupid ... really cooked their goose at Okinawa. They thought it would be cool to fight to the last man and show the Americans that they would suffer heavy losses if they invaded. What could possibly go wrong? However, it didn't quite go as planned, did it? The lesson that the Americans learned was it would be better to just nuke the bastards.

Here we see the impressive scholarship of the Bud Light Breakfast Club type.

Then we see your impressive scholarly rantings of a surrender monkey.

You should have been Dutch. They surrendered to the Germans in a few hours.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

There is no moral issue. Japan started a war and lost. End of story.

If you're simple....

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Other than unconditional surrender, what other option?

I asked the same question but got no answer

The third option was a siege.

A fourth option was a demonstration of the bomb meant to be observed by japanese military leaders.

 

[Camp]

This debate will never be resolved.

 

[DGS49]

The debate was resolved a hundred years ago.

Once you embark on a "total" war - including attacks against civilians - there is essentially no limit to what is permissible. The difference between killing a hundred thousand people, one at a time, and a hundred thousand people with one bomb is meaningless. In this case it was a choice between (in the case of bombing and a land invasion) killing hundreds of thousands of Japanese alongside a slightly lesser number of Americans, versus killing a hundred thousand Japanese, FULL STOP.

There is no debate among sane people on this issue.

 

[The Irish Ram]

The atomic bomb saved a million lives, including both American and Japanese

That tired old story is banal speculation meant to avoid a difficult moral issue.

There was no moral issue for America. My Dad coming home was the issue...
If bombing Japan saved 1 American life, then it was worth it. Keep in mind, Japan was so into this war that THEY STARTED, that it took 2 Bombs to convince them to stop killing Americans.

The moral issue was, "Should we, the Japanese, decide to declare war on innocent Americans and kill as many of them as they can?" Stopping the Japanese from killing us wasn't a moral issue, it was a necessity.

Again, it took 2 bombs to convince the Japanese that they made a costly immoral decision to start killing Americans. They were that driven to continue their violence against us.

 

[Unkotare]

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I’ve been reading about what they did to the Americans. In the Philippines.

Who did? The women, children, and elderly people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945? How did they get all the way over there?

 

[Mindful]

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I’ve been reading about what they did to the Americans. In the Philippines.

Who did? The women, children, and elderly people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945? How did they get all the way over there?

Don’t bother.

 

[Unkotare]

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There is no debate among sane people on this issue.

Typical democrat approach to any argument. Listen to democrats carefully, particularly the farther left you go. If you pay attention you will almost always hear a "it is beyond dispute" or "everyone knows" or "there can be no debate" at some point that they wish to simply insist upon rather than think about.

 

[Unkotare]

This would be an embarrassing fallacy for a middle school playground. Stop wasting time with such juvenile bullshit.

Ok

Briefly sum up American history for the period 1945-1955 in your own words

No, because history isn't something simple that fits on the back of a cereal box, except for simpletons who are incapable of anything more.

 

[Unkotare]

... could dish it but can't take it.

Oh well.
...

What does that mean in this context?

 

[Unkotare]

The atomic bomb saved a million lives, including both American and Japanese

That tired old story is banal speculation meant to avoid a difficult moral issue.

There is no moral issue. Japan started a war and lost. End of story.

If you don't think that targeting and incinerating hundreds of thousands of civilians is a moral issue, you have a very serious moral issue.

I have no moral issues. ....

Then you have no morality. A person can still agree with the decision to use the bomb without cravenly avoiding the central moral issue involved.

 

[Unkotare]

... Japan went through China and other countries enslaving, starving and killing everyone they came into contact with ....

So America used the atomic bomb, not for our own interests but in revenge for other nations? Got a quote from a civilian or military leader making that case?

 

[Unkotare]

...we ended it in two days ....

That is not correct.