75th Anniversary

[Unkotare]

...We lost nobody on mainland Japan to do it. ...

That is also not correct.

 

[Unkotare]

The ... learned the hard way that you shouldn't fuck with the USA, didn't they?

What in the hell were those morons thinking? Play stupid games and get stupid prizes.

The stupid ... really cooked their goose at Okinawa. They thought it would be cool to fight to the last man and show the Americans that they would suffer heavy losses if they invaded. What could possibly go wrong? However, it didn't quite go as planned, did it? The lesson that the Americans learned was it would be better to just nuke the bastards.

Here we see the impressive scholarship of the Bud Light Breakfast Club type.

Then we see your impressive scholarly rantings of a surrender monkey.

You should have been Dutch. They surrendered to the Germans in a few hours.

Do you even know what you are trying to say? What does your post have to do with anything related to this topic? You may be reading from the wrong sheet of talking points. Go have another Bud Light.

 

[Unkotare]

Other than unconditional surrender, what other option?

I asked the same question but got no answer

The third option was a siege.

A fourth option was a demonstration of the bomb meant to be observed by japanese military leaders.

Another option might have been pursuing the opportunity for a negotiated surrender long before all this, which would have saved untold numbers of American lives. Of course fdr had no interest in something like that.

 

[Unkotare]

This debate will never be resolved.

Most likely so.

 

[Unkotare]

The atomic bomb saved a million lives, including both American and Japanese

That tired old story is banal speculation meant to avoid a difficult moral issue.

There was no moral issue for America. ....

Then you don't understand morality, and you don't understand what America stands for.

 

[Camp]

This debate will never be resolved.

Most likely so.

I suspect changes may occur when WWII participants and their children are gone and future generations with little if any connection enters the debate.

 

[John T. Ford]

No

By all means ....

Go ahead and parrot your Leftist history revisionist crap.

I would not expect anything different from the Sheeple.

 

[Unkotare]

No

By all means ....

Go ahead and parrot your Leftist history revisionist crap.
...

What the hell are you talking about? Where do you see "leftist" or "revisionist"? Or are you just jumping at your own shadow?

 

[Camp]

I find it a bit disturbing how rarely Russia entering the war with Japan is brought up in these discussions. Plenty of scholars, from all sides, believe it was a key element in our decision for dropping the bombs and insisting on an immediate surrender. Russia rolled over Japanese forces in China and was fully prepared for invading mainland Japan.

 

[Unkotare]

I find it a bit disturbing how rarely Russia entering the war with Japan is brought up in these discussions. Plenty of scholars, from all sides, believe it was a key element in our decision for dropping the bombs and insisting on an immediate surrender. Russia rolled over Japanese forces in China and was fully prepared for invading mainland Japan.

It must have been frustrating for Stalin to be forced to put the brakes on after stealing only a little territory. The Russians were still feeling humiliated from their not-so-distant ass kicking.

 

[The Irish Ram]

The atomic bomb saved a million lives, including both American and Japanese

That tired old story is banal speculation meant to avoid a difficult moral issue.

There was no moral issue for America. ....

Then you don't understand morality, and you don't understand what America stands for.

I understand both very well. Japan gave us no choice. Japan was the aggressor, not America. There would be a moral issue on our part had we awakened one morning and decided to declare war on Japan and dropped a bomb on them.
We had lost enough young men and women because of the arrogant, aggressive, murdering Japanese.
Their fault, not ours. They asked for it and got it. Their immorality, not ours. If Japan cared about its own people they wouldn't have needed a second bomb to give up their quest to dominate my country. How many more Americans would you have liked to see killed? We voted ~ no more...

 

[Jimmy_Chitwood]

... could dish it but can't take it.

Oh well.
...

What does that mean in this context?

Rape of Nanking.

Imperialism.

Aggressor on all fronts.


Brutal treatment of prisoners.



And then it came time to answer for those behaviors - thankfully.

 

[Camp]

I find it a bit disturbing how rarely Russia entering the war with Japan is brought up in these discussions. Plenty of scholars, from all sides, believe it was a key element in our decision for dropping the bombs and insisting on an immediate surrender. Russia rolled over Japanese forces in China and was fully prepared for invading mainland Japan.

It must have been frustrating for Stalin to be forced to put the brakes on after stealing only a little territory. The Russians were still feeling humiliated from their not-so-distant ass kicking.

He was very willing to sacrifice millions of Russians for a piece of Japan, and Japanese occupied Korea.

 

[Mac-7]

No, because history isn't something simple that fits on the back of a cereal box, except for simpletons who are incapable of anything more.

Just hit the highlights of international events involving the US

 

[Mac-7]

Another option might have been pursuing the opportunity for a negotiated surrender long before all this, which would have saved untold numbers of American lives. Of course fdr had no interest in something like that.

The japanese were not going to negotiate a surrender any more than they negotiated a peaceful settlement before they bombed Pearl Harbor

 

[JLW]

Anyone like alternative history novels on this topic read the short story "The Lucky Strike" by Kim Stanley Robinson.

 

[John T. Ford]

What the hell are you talking about? Where do you see "leftist" or "revisionist"? Or are you just jumping at your own shadow?

What was your original point ...

 

[Unkotare]

No

By all means ....

Go ahead and parrot your Leftist history revisionist crap.
...

What the hell are you talking about? Where do you see "leftist" or "revisionist"? Or are you just jumping at your own shadow?

 

[Unkotare]

Another option might have been pursuing the opportunity for a negotiated surrender long before all this, which would have saved untold numbers of American lives. Of course fdr had no interest in something like that.

The japanese were not going to negotiate a surrender ...

Too bad you never had the chance to call General MacArthur a liar to his face.

 

[Unkotare]

No, because history isn't something simple that fits on the back of a cereal box, except for simpletons who are incapable of anything more.

Just hit the highlights of international events involving the US

Take your lazy slacker ass to a real course on US History. After you complete your course on basic logic, of course.