7 States Sue Biden Over Loan Forgiveness Plan

[pknopp]

Yeah, Ronald Reagan, who left office 34 years ago. So if Reagan's policies were so bad, why didn't the Communists change them when they had total power like the first two years of DumBama, and now the first two years with Dementia? Remember Reagan presided with a Democrat led House.

Blame shifting (as commies always do) aside, your comparison is apples and oranges. There is a difference between government allowing somebody to keep THEIR OWN MONEY THEY CREATED and giving money away that somebody else created to buy votes.

Like this?

‘Here’s your check’: Trump’s massive payouts to farmers will be hard to pull back

 

[pknopp]

Yes he did, but he didn't know (or expect) to lose the presidency when he signed off on those spending bills. So logic dictates sign the bills or almost guarantee a loss for re-election.

Principles mean you do the right thing, period.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

there are better ways to tackle the issue of student debt, IMO, and I personally think Biden's bill went too far, but Republicans are opposing it just to be the assholes they always are.

Well those assholes realize our inflation is partly caused by printing all this phony money and that we are 30 trillion in debt already.

It's not up to government to create a solution for irresponsibility which is all this is. If you can't repay a debt, don't go into debt. If you feel the need to attend college, there is no law that states you must attend right out of high school. Live with mom and dad another three or four years. Get a job and save all your money to pay for college with cash. By the time you reach 21 or 22 years old, you will be older, wiser, and make better choices on what you want to go to college for. Liberal arts will not be one of those choices.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Principles mean you do the right thing, period.

Then obviously you don't understand our politics in this country.

 

[Nostra]

Correct. He could have vetoed it all, not get anything he wants, and get ripped to shreds by the lying media and chance losing the presidency. But you call that a choice.

And he would have been called a racist if he did veto them.

 

[multivita-man]

Well those assholes realize our inflation is partly caused by printing all this phony money and that we are 30 trillion in debt already.

I don't disagree we have an excess money problem, and an excess debt problem. We probably disagree on the causes and the solutions, but I'll save that for another thread.

It's not up to government to create a solution for irresponsibility which is all this is.

It is if it helped enable this irresponsibility. I don't think the irresponsibility is entirely on the student borrowers; it's just as much on the schools through which they borrowed and also the whole bullshit notion that the path to the middle class has to be getting a degree in general studies or quantum poetry from State U. We need electricians, plumbers, lute men, etc...not people with worthless degrees that cost six figures.

If you can't repay a debt, don't go into debt.

Agreed, but as I said during the housing crisis, we shouldn't enable that shit in the first place. The private and public sector have enabled bubble after bubble and the madness has to stop. I just don't believe that making people permanently underclass is the way to go; I'd rather attack that problem at the front end. Just better policy to begin with.

If you feel the need to attend college, there is no law that states you must attend right out of high school.

Agreed - 100%

Live with mom and dad another three or four years. Get a job and save all your money to pay for college with cash. By the time you reach 21 or 22 years old, you will be older, wiser, and make better choices on what you want to go to college for. Liberal arts will not be one of those choices.

Yep, yep, yep to all that.

 

[pknopp]

Then obviously you don't understand our politics in this country.

Obviously I do.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It is if it helped enable this irresponsibility. I don't think the irresponsibility is entirely on the student borrowers; it's just as much on the schools through which they borrowed and also the whole bullshit notion that the path to the middle class has to be getting a degree in general studies or quantum poetry from State U. We need electricians, plumbers, lute men, etc...not people with worthless degrees that cost six figures.

I couldn't agree more, but that was the decision the borrower made when they took out the loan. I'm a retired truck driver and right now we're short over 60,000 drivers. As for wage, you can make into the six figures driving a truck depending on what you're willing to do. They can't find people to do the job. Walmart is so desperate they are offering their warehouse workers a chance at a new career driving trucks. They'll pay for the training and licensing if you simply sign a contract with them.

Walmart truck drivers paid at least $95,000 after wage increase

Walmart workers who once unloaded trucks now have a chance to drive them.

fox8.com

 

[pknopp]

Here is a relative lawsuit. It was tossed because the government claims you do not have to participate.

It does address my earlier question concerning a proper standing to file a suit.

Judge denies student debt cancellation lawsuit after Education Department clarifies plan

As I said, someone may have a valid argument somewhere and I was doing some reading to see what might work but I can find nowhere that a state has been harmed.

 

[Dragonlady]

Always with the excuses.........

That's why conservatives are such disasters at governing. Greg Abbot being a prime example. He SHOULD be dealing with the problems with the Texas power grid, the high numbers of mass shootings in his state, and climbing rates of crime and murder.

Instead of dealing with the things that will help Texans in their daily lives, he's busing migrants around the country at Texas taxpayers' expense. Throwing women's health care into chaos with his bounty hunting abortion ban, and selling guns to anyone with the money to pay for one.

 

[Nostra]

That's why conservatives are such disasters at governing. Greg Abbot being a prime example. He SHOULD be dealing with the problems with the Texas power grid, the high numbers of mass shootings in his state, and climbing rates of crime and murder.

Instead of dealing with the things that will help Texans in their daily lives, he's busing migrants around the country at Texas taxpayers' expense. Throwing women's health care into chaos with his bounty hunting abortion ban, and selling guns to anyone with the money to pay for one.

The Texas power grid held up to a massive two month heat wave with no issues, nobody can prevent some nutbag from a mass shooting, and the rise in crime is in the large cities and due to Soros backed DAs that refuse to enforce the law.

You lose on all counts. But thanks for stopping by to once again prove you are a colossal moron.

 

[Nostra]

So...what's the Republican plan?

Howsabout people pay the loans they take out and agree to pay off.

 

[Cellblock2429]

That's going to suck for Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, West Virginia, and Alabama.

/——/ I’m a southerner and those people work hard to pay their own way, you elitist snob.

 

[Dragonlady]

Always with the excuses.........

That's why conservatives are such disasters at governing. Greg Abbot being a prime example. He SHOULD be dealing with the problems with the Texas power grid, the high numbers of mass shootings in his state, and climbing rates of crime and murder. Instead of dealing with the things that will help Texans in their daily lives, he's busing migrants around the country at Texas taxpayers' expense.

Yeah, Ronald Reagan, who left office 34 years ago. So if Reagan's policies were so bad, why didn't the Communists change them when they had total power like the first two years of DumBama, and now the first two years with Dementia? Remember Reagan presided with a Democrat led House.

Blame shifting (as commies always do) aside, your comparison is apples and oranges. There is a difference between government allowing somebody to keep THEIR OWN MONEY THEY CREATED and giving money away that somebody else created to buy votes.

First off, they didn't have the "power" because two of their senators weren't seated during that time.

But most importantly, Obama had a global financial meltdown to cope with, caused by W's "cut and spend" policies, and the deregulation of American banks by Republican idiots, who learned nothing from the Great Depression. You don't raise taxes during a "recession".

Blame shifting. You're even dumber than you seem if you think you can get away with that one. You're blaming Biden for higher gas prices and worldwide inflation, oh yeah, and the war in the Ukraine.

"Their own money that they created". They did this all by themselves, with the help of the government who built the roadways to provide the transportation systems they used to get supplies, and to ship their goods to customers. The government provides public utilities and services, like running water, sewage treatment, police and fire departments. The government also provided the private property protections for both their real and their intellectual property, and the education system that provided the workers with the skills to do their jobs.

In addition to those services, the government negotiates the trade deals that allow you to sell your goods and services throughout the world. The consumer services which protect consumers from dangerous products and false advertising.

Taxes are your share of the costs of living in a First World country, with all of the perks, advantages and infrastructure needed to maintain your status as such. You want all of the perks of a first world country, but you think everything should be free. That's what socialism is, Ray.

 

[Nostra]

That's why conservatives are such disasters at governing. Greg Abbot being a prime example. He SHOULD be dealing with the problems with the Texas power grid, the high numbers of mass shootings in his state, and climbing rates of crime and murder. Instead of dealing with the things that will help Texans in their daily lives, he's busing migrants around the country at Texas taxpayers' expense.


First off, they didn't have the "power" because two of their senators weren't seated during that time.

But most importantly, Obama had a global financial meltdown to cope with, caused by W's "cut and spend" policies, and the deregulation of American banks by Republican idiots, who learned nothing from the Great Depression. You don't raise taxes during a "recession".

Blame shifting. You're even dumber than you seem if you think you can get away with that one. You're blaming Biden for higher gas prices and worldwide inflation, oh yeah, and the war in the Ukraine.

"Their own money that they created". They did this all by themselves, with the help of the government who built the roadways to provide the transportation systems they used to get supplies, and to ship their goods to customers. The government provides public utilities and services, like running water, sewage treatment, police and fire departments. The government also provided the private property protections for both their real and their intellectual property, and the education system that provided the workers with the skills to do their jobs.

In addition to those services, the government negotiates the trade deals that allow you to sell your goods and services throughout the world. The consumer services which protect consumers from dangerous products and false advertising.

Taxes are your share of the costs of living in a First World country, with all of the perks, advantages and infrastructure needed to maintain your status as such. You want all of the perks of a first world country, but you think everything should be free. That's what socialism is, Ray.

Once again you demonstrate you know nothing about America. Bush warned of the housing crisis as far back as 2003. Dimwingers like Bawney Fwank brushed him off.

Are you ever not a lying sack of shit?

 

[pknopp]

Once again you demonstrate you know nothing about America. Bush warned of the housing crisis as far back as 2003. Dimwingers like Bawney Fwank brushed him off.

President Calls for Expanding Opportunities to Home Ownership

 

[Nostra]

President Calls for Expanding Opportunities to Home Ownership

Can you cut and paste the part where he says we should loan money to people who can't pay it back, because I don't see it, Simp.

 

[pknopp]

Can you cut and paste the part where he says we should loan money to people who can't pay it back, because I don't see it, Simp.

I saw no one say that.

 

[Nostra]

I saw no one say that.

Nothing in there supports Dragonbreath's lies, Simp.

Another fail by you. Dismissed.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's why conservatives are such disasters at governing. Greg Abbot being a prime example. He SHOULD be dealing with the problems with the Texas power grid, the high numbers of mass shootings in his state, and climbing rates of crime and murder. Instead of dealing with the things that will help Texans in their daily lives, he's busing migrants around the country at Texas taxpayers' expense.


First off, they didn't have the "power" because two of their senators weren't seated during that time.

But most importantly, Obama had a global financial meltdown to cope with, caused by W's "cut and spend" policies, and the deregulation of American banks by Republican idiots, who learned nothing from the Great Depression. You don't raise taxes during a "recession".

Blame shifting. You're even dumber than you seem if you think you can get away with that one. You're blaming Biden for higher gas prices and worldwide inflation, oh yeah, and the war in the Ukraine.

"Their own money that they created". They did this all by themselves, with the help of the government who built the roadways to provide the transportation systems they used to get supplies, and to ship their goods to customers. The government provides public utilities and services, like running water, sewage treatment, police and fire departments. The government also provided the private property protections for both their real and their intellectual property, and the education system that provided the workers with the skills to do their jobs.

In addition to those services, the government negotiates the trade deals that allow you to sell your goods and services throughout the world. The consumer services which protect consumers from dangerous products and false advertising.

Taxes are your share of the costs of living in a First World country, with all of the perks, advantages and infrastructure needed to maintain your status as such. You want all of the perks of a first world country, but you think everything should be free. That's what socialism is, Ray.

Those businesses provide jobs so that people can earn a living and pay taxes for all the things you mentioned on top of what companies pay. Truck drivers pay much of the road taxes that we pass on to those industries so they do end up paying for those roads and bridges that the Communists want to tear down because they deemed them racist. The top 20% of our wage earners pay over 80% of the federal income tax collected, so don't start that BS they don't pay their fair share.

The reason the Communists never touched any Reagan policies is because they worked, not because they were just too busy to change them. They got Commie Care passed without one Republican supporting it. But what should I expect from the anti-white party of excuses?

Abbot could concentrate more on his state if Dementia wasn't bringing in illegals by the millions. Texas has to deal with the problem by the thousands every month. They sent 50 of them to liberal Martha's Vineyard and they thought it was the end of the Fn world. Maybe then Abbot could concentrate on those blue cities where all the crimes occur if we had a President that actually did his job.