35 trillion and counting

[Moonglow]

No it was not.




We have a guarantee against temporary pain?

As has been noted many times. Tom Brady was gave nearly a million dollars. Do you think he would have suffered without this?




Probably so, that's politics. We should elect someone that will do what is right even if it comes with the other side condemning them.

Yet, the only time they get serious, in theory, is during an election year, any other time it's balls to the walls shopping sprees.

 

[Moonglow]

And yet millions of Americans suffer in poverty and homeless, our infrastructure is failing, millions lack healthcare, and on and on. However, the 1% and their big corporations are doing great.

What a country!!!

Actually the only real time US poverty was improved was during COVID when payments were given to people it reduced poverty levels by 65%.

Government’s Pandemic Response Turned a Would-Be Poverty Surge Into a Record Poverty Decline | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Public programs transformed what, without the programs, would have been a near-record surge in poverty in the COVID-19 recession into a record one-year overall poverty decline in 2020 and a record one-year decline in children's poverty in 2021.

www.cbpp.org

 

[CrusaderFrank]

and who are you voting for that is going to fix any of this?

Writing in Milei

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No, we are not out of 155mm howitzer shells.

Ukraine has them all

 

[Greenbeard]

You see the website I showed right? The numbers don’t lie. Bidens debt has been as much as trumps.

You post a picture of a graph…do you have a website to give context for that graph?

The numbers don't lie, that's correct.

Trump and Biden: The National Debt | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

The national debt is on course to reach a record share of the economy under the next presidential administration, due in part to policies approved by Presidents Trump and Biden during their ti

www.crfb.org

Trump's incremental additions to the debt were twice Biden's. He was an absolute fiscal disaster.

 

[Independent thinker]

At the end of 2017, rational debt was 20 trillion, at the end of 2020, debt was 27 trillion

So 7 trillion attributed to Trump

At the end of 2021 debt was 28 trillion, currently, debt has crossed 35 trillion and we still have 5 months left. So let’s say 36 to 37 trillion by the time Biden leaves office..

So that’s 8 to 9 trillion attributed to Biden

4 trillion of trumps spending was Covid spending..

So….who’s worse on the debt?

U.S. National Debt by Year

The U.S. national debt is the total of what the federal government owes creditors. The U.S. has always carried debt, but the total has expanded rapidly since 2008.

www.investopedia.com

Sadly, even if Trump is re-elected, we won't make any progress on the debt. But, it will be astronomically worse if Harris wins. They still haven't spent 50 trillion on the Green New Deal - YET.

 

[toobfreak]

Crime was not lowered during Trump it increased in 2020, murder rose by thirty percent.

Idiot, crime rose in 2020 only because all the Blue Morons in Blue States closed all the businesses and schools thinking this would combat the China Virus at the same time all the blue rabble rioted in 350 cities declaring war on the USA because some drug-popping, wife-beating counterfeiter killed himself resisting arrest.

 

[ThisIsMe]

The numbers don't lie, that's correct.

Trump and Biden: The National Debt | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

The national debt is on course to reach a record share of the economy under the next presidential administration, due in part to policies approved by Presidents Trump and Biden during their ti

www.crfb.org

Trump's incremental additions to the debt were twice Biden's. He was an absolute fiscal disaster.

You can “project and estimate” all you like. Look at the numbers. Trump ran up 7 trillion with Covid, Biden ran up 8 trillion without Covid. Those are actual numbers not projected estimates, of debt increase

 

[Greenbeard]

You can “project and estimate” all you like. Look at the numbers. Trump ran up 7 trillion with Covid, Biden ran up 8 trillion without Covid. Those are actual numbers not projected estimates, of debt increase

Attributing Trump spending to Biden because of the fiscal year it falls into doesn’t make sense, though I can see why it’s attractive to those invested in pretending Trump wasn’t a fiscal train wreck.

 

[j-mac]

Actually the only real time US poverty was improved was during COVID when payments were given to people it reduced poverty levels by 65%.

Government’s Pandemic Response Turned a Would-Be Poverty Surge Into a Record Poverty Decline | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Public programs transformed what, without the programs, would have been a near-record surge in poverty in the COVID-19 recession into a record one-year overall poverty decline in 2020 and a record one-year decline in children's poverty in 2021.

www.cbpp.org

So, when government gave money back to the taxpayer, it reduced poverty? Why moonbat, that’s a very Republican stance….

 

[Harpy Eagle]

So, when government gave money back to the taxpayer, it reduced poverty? Why moonbat, that’s a very Republican stance….

yes, when the Govt redistributed money from the rich to the poor it reduced poverty.

 

[j-mac]

yes, when the Govt redestroyed money from the rich to the poor it reduced poverty.

So, your argument is that rich DO pay more in tax…got it…

 

[sparky]

>>

~S~

 

[Harpy Eagle]

So, your argument is that rich DO pay more in tax…got it…

They always have.

Do you have some sort of point?

 

[ThisIsMe]

Attributing Trump spending to Biden because of the fiscal year it falls into doesn’t make sense, though I can see why it’s attractive to those invested in pretending Trump wasn’t a fiscal train wreck.

Ahh is that that it is? Ok then we can attribute trumps spending to the president before him then?

• Debt held by the public rose by $7.2 trillion during President Trump’s term including $5.9 trillion in the first three years and five months. Debt held by the public has grown by $6.0 trillion during President Biden’s term so far.
• President Trump’s executive actions added less than $20 billion to ten-year debt on net. President Biden’s executive actions have added $1.2 trillion to ten-year debt so far.

 

[j-mac]

They always have.

Do you have some sort of point?

Aren’t you on the side that says ‘the rich don’t pay enough’?

 

[Greenbeard]

Ahh is that that it is? Ok then we can attribute trumps spending to the president before him then?

Given that even your dumb methodology starts the clock “at the end of 2017,” I assume you were already trying to do that. But yes, if the previous president signed it, obviously. Incremental spending looks at each individual president’s contribution to the deficit through the bills they signed. The deficit impact of Trump policies is twice that of Biden’s.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Aren’t you on the side that says ‘the rich don’t pay enough’?

I would challenge you to find a single post from me saying that.

I do have an issue with a billionaire paying a lower percent than I do, but that is neither here nor there

 

[ThisIsMe]

Given that even your dumb methodology starts the clock “at the end of 2017,” I assume you were already trying to do that. But yes, if the previous president signed it, obviously. Incremental spending looks at each individual president’s contribution to the deficit through the bills they signed. The deficit impact of Trump policies is twice that of Biden’s.

I started it “at the end of 2017” because that would have been his first full year in office, i did the same thing with Biden, started it at the end of 2021.

You’re referencing deficit, I’m referencing actual debt, you’re referencing estimated projections, I’m talking about current numbers.


You’re trying to say that Biden only ran up 4 trillion, but the numbers already show 7 trillion. And he still has almost 100 days left so you can expect another trillion on top of that

 

[leftwinger]

Sadly a large percentage will defend "their guy" on both sides no matter what.

Both will make all sorts of excuses.

Both sides have greatly failed us.

R did not launch covid or steal 20 million votes in 2020. They R are too lazy to work that hard. They won’t even go after D for those sorts of acts.