274 FBI agents sent to Capitol for J6, many later complained they were political ‘pawns'

[Marener]

That's a massive fail then.

Anyone held accoutable for that massive failure?

What should have they done differently?

 

[Correll]

What should have they done differently?

i would expect if it went the way you claim, that what should have been done, is that those agents assigned to monitor the Proud BOys and Oath Keepers should have been fired for gross incompetance.


After all, they missed a massive threat to our government. Supposedly.

So.... yeah. THey failed massively.

 

[Marener]

i would expect if it went the way you claim, that what should have been done, is that those agents assigned to monitor the Proud BOys and Oath Keepers should have been fired for gross incompetance.


After all, they missed a massive threat to our government. Supposedly.

So.... yeah. THey failed massively.

Half the time you guys whine about FBI spying on Americans and the other half you whine about not spying enough.

They had sources, but the sources didn’t know the whole plan or didn’t tell them. What do you want them to do differently? Arrest them and torture them? There wasn’t a lot of people that thought it would turn into such a violent a riot.

 

[Marener]

I tried to find exactly what Wray said, I didn't find much, I only found that he denied the FBI instigated the riot, which is different from denying that the FBI was there. So maybe you do have a point. Anyway I will drop this for now.



If the FBI was truly there to contain the crowd, then why did they make the agents wear plain-clothes? This tells me they wanted to conceal their identity from the crowd, which is very sketchy.



How are you so sure that they didn't? Are you a part of the FBI? I am an average citizen, and I certainly cannot say with absolute certainty that the FBI does nor doesn't have presence in certain groups. And I am sure you are an average citizen, too. So why do you act with such confidence?

Again, I don't think it helps to argue about technicality like, "those people are merely informants, they are technically not FBI agents". Maybe they truly aren't FBI agents, but they certainly draw a salary from the FBI, whom they work for and report to. In this sense, does it really matter that they technically aren't agents?

There was an extensive IG report about it released like a year ago. It was covered in mainstream media that doesn’t get any real attention from people in the right wing bubble.

The right wing bubble, which apparently Trump lives in, thinks the FBI incited the riot and have been lying for years about this.

 

[Correll]

Half the time you guys whine about FBI spying on Americans and the other half you whine about not spying enough.

i'm not whining, I'm answering your question.

If the fbi dropped the ball as badly as you are claiming, the agents in charge should have had their careers ended.

I wouldn't make the Proud Boys a priority for the fbi, but you guys claim that it was a terrorist organization. So, YOU should have had it as a priority, unless all that talk was shit talk and you always knew it was.

They had sources, but the sources didn’t know the whole plan or didn’t tell them. What do you want them to do differently? Arrest them and torture them? There wasn’t a lot of people that thought it would turn into such a violent a riot.

The Proud Boys and Oath Keepers had a plan to storm the building but the fbi "Assets" inside the proud boy sand oath keepers didn't hear shit about it?

That doesn't really make sense. How can you storm a building, without hte people to storm the building knowing it ahead of time?

 

[Correll]

There was an extensive IG report about it released like a year ago. It was covered in mainstream media that doesn’t get any real attention from people in the right wing bubble.

The right wing bubble, which apparently Trump lives in, thinks the FBI incited the riot and have been lying for years about this.

Considering that this thread is about them finally admitting that there were agents there, 5 ******* years later,

being suspicious about what the fbi says, is pretty sensible.

 

[MayorQuimby]

There was an extensive IG report about it released like a year ago. It was covered in mainstream media that doesn’t get any real attention from people in the right wing bubble.

The right wing bubble, which apparently Trump lives in, thinks the FBI incited the riot and have been lying for years about this.

Well, the FBI incited the riot in the sense that they fanned the fire deliberately, to make sure the rally really got out of hand. The rally itself formed without the FBI's involvement, so this is probably why you insist that the FBI didn't start anything.

Anyway, I believe I raised a good point a few posts back, which you fail to address: If the FBI really was there to contain the riot, why did they go undercover?

 

[Correll]

Well, the FBI incited the riot in the sense that they fanned the fire deliberately, to make sure the rally really got out of hand. The rally itself formed without the FBI's involvement, so this is probably why you insist that the FBI didn't start anything.

Anyway, I believe I raised a good point a few posts back, which you fail to address: If the FBI really was there to contain the riot, why did they go undercover?

 

[Marener]

i'm not whining, I'm answering your question.

If the fbi dropped the ball as badly as you are claiming, the agents in charge should have had their careers ended.

I wouldn't make the Proud Boys a priority for the fbi, but you guys claim that it was a terrorist organization. So, YOU should have had it as a priority, unless all that talk was shit talk and you always knew it was.



The Proud Boys and Oath Keepers had a plan to storm the building but the fbi "Assets" inside the proud boy sand oath keepers didn't hear shit about it?

That doesn't really make sense. How can you storm a building, without hte people to storm the building knowing it ahead of time?

You don’t really know what you’re talking about and are just trying to change the subject to distract from Trump’s delusional statement.

They had sources in this organizations at different levels. Either they didn’t know or didn’t tell. As to the “plan”, that’s more ambiguous. It never as as concrete of a plan to storm the Capitol. This comes from the seditious conspiracy trial that you probably know very little about.

 

[Marener]

Considering that this thread is about them finally admitting that there were agents there, 5 ******* years later,

being suspicious about what the fbi says, is pretty sensible.

they aren’t “just admitting it”. The presence of FBI for supporting the Capitol police was discussed in the IG report that you guys never heard of until now.

You’re just finding out about it, but that’s because the right wing media keeps you ignorant.

 

[MayorQuimby]

they aren’t “just admitting it”. The presence of FBI for supporting the Capitol police was discussed in the IG report that you guys never heard of until now.

You’re just finding out about it, but that’s because the right wing media keeps you ignorant.

If the FBI were there to support the police, why did they wear plain-clothes?

 

[Marener]

If the FBI were there to support the police, why did they wear plain-clothes?

Because that’s how they show up to the office. It wasn’t planned. It was all ad hoc after the riot started.

 

[hadit]

Not much. They weren't equipped to handle the situation and so mostly just stood around.

Let's get this straight. You are accusing our national police force, the vaunted and (used to be) highly respected Federal Bureau of Investigations of not being prepared to handle a garden variety riot? Of what use then is the FBI?

Looking back at all the left-wing riots, it becomes obvious that the FBI does not do anything to slow down or stop riots at all, so they're basically ornamental.

 

[hadit]

Because that’s how they show up to the office. It wasn’t planned. It was all ad hoc after the riot started.

The FBI is that disorganized, when others were anticipating some kind of violence? Your excuses are making the organization look rather feeble.

 

[Marener]

Let's get this straight. You are accusing our national police force, the vaunted and (used to be) highly respected Federal Bureau of Investigations of not being prepared to handle a garden variety riot? Of what use then is the FBI?

Looking back at all the left-wing riots, it becomes obvious that the FBI does not do anything to slow down or stop riots at all, so they're basically ornamental.

I don’t call it a garden variety riot, but why would we expect the federal bureau or INVESTIGATION to be properly equipped to handle a riot?

Their job is to investigate.

You guys are especially pathetic today.

 

[Marener]

The FBI is that disorganized, when others were anticipating some kind of violence? Your excuses are making the organization look rather feeble.

Right wing rallies never really got violent before.

You snowflakes would have been so offended if people suggested before that day that you’d start a riot on January 6th.

 

[hadit]

I don’t call it a garden variety riot, but why would we expect the federal bureau or INVESTIGATION to be properly equipped to handle a riot?

Why not, when organizers and rioters cross state lines? Then it becomes a federal issue. We see the rent-a-mobs being bused in to foment left-wing riots all the time.

Their job is to investigate.

You guys are especially pathetic today.

They are armed. They are trained to take down fugitives. They have the armored vehicles. They are authorized to arrest. They do far more than investigate. Are you sure you know what you're doing?

 

[hadit]

Right wing rallies never really got violent before.

Bingo! That's what I've been saying for a long time. Some idiots keep trying to claim the right is violent. Glad you see the truth.

You snowflakes would have been so offended if people suggested before that day that you’d start a riot on January 6th.

Yet people did anticipate violence. I get it, the right is not violent and has not been, but that's not a real excuse for ignoring the signs, is it?

Oh, and I didn't start anything.

 

[Correll]

You don’t really know what you’re talking about and are just trying to change the subject to distract from Trump’s delusional statement.

They had sources in this organizations at different levels. Either they didn’t know or didn’t tell. As to the “plan”, that’s more ambiguous. It never as as concrete of a plan to storm the Capitol. This comes from the seditious conspiracy trial that you probably know very little about.

Strange. An "ambigous" plan to storm the capitol?


I watched the vids. The violence didn't really get rolling till the cops fired (non-lethal) on the crowd.

Did the Proud Boys know that was going to happen? Cause it seems from watching it that without that, there is no riot.


Can you explain that?

 

[Correll]

they aren’t “just admitting it”. The presence of FBI for supporting the Capitol police was discussed in the IG report that you guys never heard of until now.

You’re just finding out about it, but that’s because the right wing media keeps you ignorant.

yeah, you said it was released LAST year? SO, FOUR years of lies, while leftards were ridiculing anyone that said the fbi was there.