Here’s how you say it:I'm not sure how there can be any debate...clean or otherwise.
More votes than voters equals fraud. There is no other way to say it.
“The thread premise is a lie, there weren’t more votes than voters.”
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Here’s how you say it:I'm not sure how there can be any debate...clean or otherwise.
More votes than voters equals fraud. There is no other way to say it.
Well, the problem you had, was that you posted a video from OANN, which in itself, only made claims, which had no direct links to it's claims.Sorry everybody who commented. The thread was immediately turned into useless spamming and now it's become nothing but nasty arguments on whether it is or isn't fraud.
Not an ounce of proof coming from either side that could hep to answer the question.
I'm completely out of this one!
Without substantiation of claims, by a highly partisan source, how can you expect to start a productive debate?
I did think the OANN video was very informative. . . IF true. But I wanted them to show me screen shots, or provide links that I could look into myself, unfortunately, they did not.
My favorite news sources always back their podcasts with their sources with links so that you can look at the evidence for yourself, and make your own conclusions.
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Yep, you have to stick with that MSM who invents, supports and controls the fact checking mechanisms that they use to prove their lies. e.g. Snopes, FactCheck, Politifact.
Context.
Watch the video before you make such comments. It's kind of clear. . . you haven't.
“The thread premise is a lie, there weren’t more votes than voters.”
Wacky conspiracy theories belong in the conspiracy theory forum.You could be right but you fail to give any reason why not
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Wow ... you found one ... most people would fail that test ... ummmm ... what was dishonest about it? ... how did these seven justices act in bad-faith? ... what was their personal gain by ruling this way? ...
The ruling was wrong ... no doubt about that, and sometimes the courts do get things wrong ... but if they're committing fraud, as you folk are claiming, then they are being dishonest and acting in bad-faith ... all 62 some odd cases ...
Plessey, Roe v Wade ... certainly bad decisions ... but how is it they are acting in bad-faith ... as you claim they do all the time ...
. . of course you would disagree.based on OAN say so, which really, is no better than the say so of CNN, MSNBC, WaPo or the NYT
I'd disagree. CNN, et al. all have long proven records of fake news, spin and lying. OAN does not to my knowledge.
Well, the problem you had, was that you posted a video from OANN, which in itself, only made claims, which had no direct links to it's claims.Sorry everybody who commented. The thread was immediately turned into useless spamming and now it's become nothing but nasty arguments on whether it is or isn't fraud.
Not an ounce of proof coming from either side that could hep to answer the question.
I'm completely out of this one!
Without substantiation of claims, by a highly partisan source, how can you expect to start a productive debate?
I did think the OANN video was very informative. . . IF true. But I wanted them to show me screen shots, or provide links that I could look into myself, unfortunately, they did not.
My favorite news sources always back their podcasts with their sources with links so that you can look at the evidence for yourself, and make your own conclusions.
I.E.
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In Part 3 Ryan & Whitney discuss the two connected groups run by former national security officials & their efforts to undermine democracy...www.thelastamericanvagabond.com
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Yep, you have to stick with that MSM who invents, supports and controls the fact checking mechanisms that they use to prove their lies. e.g. Snopes, FactCheck, Politifact.
Context.
Watch the video before you make such comments. It's kind of clear. . . you haven't.
Sorry, I admit my guilt. But in my defense, when I see a post that discredits a news source and then cuts and pastes over 50 links to sources that are no more credible than the one you are trying to discredit, I tend to lose interest and question the credibility.
It couldn't hurt. Still, good to hear a news source like OANN that is biased in the OTHER direction for a change. That way, it is usually easier to find the TRUTH, somewhere in the middle.I am just making the point, that if the thread is going to be in CDZ, instead of politics, the podcast should tell it's viewers the sources used and make it easy for us, or the OP should supply the links.
Then like me, you probably have a solid foundation trained in logical arguments, fallacies, analysis, strategy and litigation. I wonder if they still teach debate in school now or even have civics classes?I debated for three years in high-school, and two years on a Big Ten debate squad, the affirmative has the burden of proof.
Point made. That said, I would only offer that if a news agency like OANN comes out mostly on the side of conservatism most of the time, that does not necessarily prove bias. It just might prove that clear thinking and reason leads more often to the conservative POV which tends to be right more of the time!Most intelligent folks know, OANN has a conservative bias, so they will necessarily present evidence for their case with a bias, thus, the evidence should be open to examination by those who want to have. . ."A CLEAN DEBATE."
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The proof that now needs to make it's way to the SCOTUS!
But will it? Is Sydney Powell still prepared to present her Kraken, along with this undisputable truth?
Or is it all over for Trump and now just a dead issue? Opinions?
Habitually-then they are being dishonest and acting in bad-faith
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The proof that now needs to make it's way to the SCOTUS!
But will it? Is Sydney Powell still prepared to present her Kraken, along with this undisputable truth?
Or is it all over for Trump and now just a dead issue? Opinions?
Looks like the moderators agree with you that this is just a conspiracy theory!They are the ones making the assertions. They are the people who are supposed to prove their case.Just because OANN says something doesn't make it undisputable.Election fraud evidence mounts as Democrats divert attention | One America News Network
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Then forkup the public records they used and prove they are lying!
Making assertions without providing their sources would make it impossible for me to even do so. What I can say is that Georgia is led by Republicans so is Arizona. Elections are overseen by people of both parties and checked by people of both campaigns. So the premise that Democrats were capable of committing voter fraud on that scale doesn't make any sense. It's not being asserted in courts generally and the few times some were, it was laughed out of the courts.
What you are left with is a "news item" devoid of verifiable information that goes in the face of all logic.
Trump has under been attack since the minute he announced he was running.I wish Trump success with the Scotus! This still has the potential to become a revolution to stop all the vote stealing.SCOTUS is hearing the Trump case after Biden's inauguration.Election fraud evidence mounts as Democrats divert attention | One America News Network
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The proof that now needs to make it's way to the SCOTUS!
But will it? Is Sydney Powell still prepared to present her Kraken, along with this undisputable truth?
Or is it all over for Trump and now just a dead issue? Opinions?
250,000 extra votes is some big Kraken!
Trump has under been attack since the minute he announced he was running.
Nothing they are doing now is new.
I pray all day.Trump has under been attack since the minute he announced he was running.
Nothing they are doing now is new.
I think the majority of Americans who take part on this board agree with you. I think you might be right so I propose giving Trump 4 more years.
I don't know how you would do that but it has to be done. But please, no violence or anymore attempted revolutions!
Have you considered prayer?
Sorry but I'm going to have to skip over most of your comments now because I'm already getting very busy. Try me early tomorrow.I pray all day.Trump has under been attack since the minute he announced he was running.
Nothing they are doing now is new.
I think the majority of Americans who take part on this board agree with you. I think you might be right so I propose giving Trump 4 more years.
I don't know how you would do that but it has to be done. But please, no violence or anymore attempted revolutions!
Have you considered prayer?
To be realistic, 99% of people vote for the letter.
I'm glad business is hopping!Sorry but I'm going to have to skip over most of your comments now because I'm already getting very busy. Try me early tomorrow.I pray all day.Trump has under been attack since the minute he announced he was running.
Nothing they are doing now is new.
I think the majority of Americans who take part on this board agree with you. I think you might be right so I propose giving Trump 4 more years.
I don't know how you would do that but it has to be done. But please, no violence or anymore attempted revolutions!
Have you considered prayer?
To be realistic, 99% of people vote for the letter.
What is your issue with my side? Just curious.Looks like the moderators agree with you that this is just a conspiracy theory!They are the ones making the assertions. They are the people who are supposed to prove their case.Just because OANN says something doesn't make it undisputable.Election fraud evidence mounts as Democrats divert attention | One America News Network
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Then forkup the public records they used and prove they are lying!
Making assertions without providing their sources would make it impossible for me to even do so. What I can say is that Georgia is led by Republicans so is Arizona. Elections are overseen by people of both parties and checked by people of both campaigns. So the premise that Democrats were capable of committing voter fraud on that scale doesn't make any sense. It's not being asserted in courts generally and the few times some were, it was laughed out of the courts.
What you are left with is a "news item" devoid of verifiable information that goes in the face of all logic.
But strangely, the majority that have commented on this topic think it's true!
What's a Canadian boy to think? I've tried both sides of the clusterfuk and neither work all that well.