250,000 Over Votes Prove Democrat Fraud.

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Sorry everybody who commented. The thread was immediately turned into useless spamming and now it's become nothing but nasty arguments on whether it is or isn't fraud.

Not an ounce of proof coming from either side that could hep to answer the question.

I'm completely out of this one!
Well, the problem you had, was that you posted a video from OANN, which in itself, only made claims, which had no direct links to it's claims.

Without substantiation of claims, by a highly partisan source, how can you expect to start a productive debate?

I did think the OANN video was very informative. . . IF true. But I wanted them to show me screen shots, or provide links that I could look into myself, unfortunately, they did not.

My favorite news sources always back their podcasts with their sources with links so that you can look at the evidence for yourself, and make your own conclusions.

I.E.


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Democrats Prove No One Has to Hack an Election to Create Chaos

Another 2020 election simulation ends in chaos

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https://twitter.com/rachmanjoseph?lang=en

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A chaotic US election could trigger a global crisis

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https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/09/pennsylvania-becomes-ground-zero-for-election-lawsuits.html

Pennsylvania is ground zero for the election litigation in 2020

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Why Pennsylvania is ground zero for mail-in voting debate

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7 takeaways from Mayor Jim Kenney's $5 billion spending plan

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How Government and Media Are Prepping America for a Failed 2020 Election

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U.S. intel: Russia and China plotting to interfere in 2020 election

Hackers Are Coming for the 2020 Election -- And We're Not Ready

Nathaniel J. Gleicher

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...throw-u-s-into-political-crisis-idUSKBN2781F0

https://www.davisvanguard.org/2020/...sion-and-unlawful-militias-at-polling-places/

https://patch.com/pennsylvania/lansdale/pa-prepares-multi-agency-task-force-respond-election-unrest

https://www.wkms.org/post/how-polic...-are-preparing-election-day-tensions#stream/0

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https://buffalonews.com/news/local/...cle_59132e76-08a9-11eb-abce-0f2c22783f6e.html

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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/22/tech/ransomware-election-georgia/index.html

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https://www.vice.com/en/article/93w...f-militia-violence-during-election-new-report
Yep, you have to stick with that MSM who invents, supports and controls the fact checking mechanisms that they use to prove their lies. e.g. Snopes, FactCheck, Politifact.
Context.

Watch the video before you make such comments. It's kind of clear. . . you haven't.
Sorry, I admit my guilt. But in my defense, when I see a post that discredits a news source and then cuts and pastes over 50 links to sources that are no more credible than the one you are trying to discredit, I tend to lose interest and question the credibility.
 

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Wow ... you found one ... most people would fail that test ... ummmm ... what was dishonest about it? ... how did these seven justices act in bad-faith? ... what was their personal gain by ruling this way? ...

The ruling was wrong ... no doubt about that, and sometimes the courts do get things wrong ... but if they're committing fraud, as you folk are claiming, then they are being dishonest and acting in bad-faith ... all 62 some odd cases ...

Plessey, Roe v Wade ... certainly bad decisions ... but how is it they are acting in bad-faith ... as you claim they do all the time ...
You folk?

I am only making that point. . . the Supreme Court is not infallible, in fact, it is a tool and subject of the state, and the various bar associations, banks, and their interests, not the people it rules over.

The interests of the global elites, and the establishment are what they care about, and thus, will twist what is ostensibly "legal" to that interest.

The lawyers and bankers have no intention to change the status quo for "justice," they never have. If it doesn't benefit the corporation, fuck it.



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LEGAL. Latin legalis. Pertaining to the understanding, the exposition, the administration, the science and the practice of law: as, the legal profession, legal advice; legal blanks, newspaper. Implied or imputed in law. Opposed to actual. "Legal" looks more to the letter, and "Lawful" to the spirit, of the law. "Legal" is more appropriate for conformity to positive rules of law; "Lawful" for accord with ethical principle. "Legal" imports rather that the forms of law are observed, that the proceeding is correct in method, that rules prescribed have been obeyed; "Lawful" that the right is actful in substance, that moral quality is secured. "Legal" is the antithesis of "equitable", and the equivalent of "constructive". - 2 Abbott's Law Dict. 24; A Dictionary of Law (1893).


 

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based on OAN say so, which really, is no better than the say so of CNN, MSNBC, WaPo or the NYT

I'd disagree. CNN, et al. all have long proven records of fake news, spin and lying. OAN does not to my knowledge.
. . of course you would disagree.
Honestly, given their history, I would probably trust OANN more than CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, and the NYT. . . not sure about WSJ though. I find the funding behind OANN suspect, just like WSJ.

When you don't even make an attempt to hide your bias? meh.

I am just making the point, that if the thread is going to be in CDZ, instead of politics, the podcast should tell it's viewers the sources used and make it easy for us, or the OP should supply the links.

I debated for three years in high-school, and two years on a Big Ten debate squad, the affirmative has the burden of proof.

Most intelligent folks know, OANN has a conservative bias, so they will necessarily present evidence for their case with a bias, thus, the evidence should be open to examination by those who want to have. . ."A CLEAN DEBATE."


 

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Sorry everybody who commented. The thread was immediately turned into useless spamming and now it's become nothing but nasty arguments on whether it is or isn't fraud.

Not an ounce of proof coming from either side that could hep to answer the question.

I'm completely out of this one!
Well, the problem you had, was that you posted a video from OANN, which in itself, only made claims, which had no direct links to it's claims.

Without substantiation of claims, by a highly partisan source, how can you expect to start a productive debate?

I did think the OANN video was very informative. . . IF true. But I wanted them to show me screen shots, or provide links that I could look into myself, unfortunately, they did not.

My favorite news sources always back their podcasts with their sources with links so that you can look at the evidence for yourself, and make your own conclusions.

I.E.


Video Source Links:





Democrats Prove No One Has to Hack an Election to Create Chaos

Another 2020 election simulation ends in chaos

Cybereason leads Operation Blackout hack simulation event in London – Intelligent CISO

https://twitter.com/rachmanjoseph?lang=en

Yossi Rachman - ICT Spring Europe - We explore converging disruptions

Operation Chaos 2020: Movement encourages Republicans to strategically vote in SC primary

A chaotic US election could trigger a global crisis

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/odds-of-a-contested-november-election-are-on-the-rise.html

Election chaos: Coronavirus fear of voting could keep people from the polls

Opinion: The 2020 U.S. election is a disaster waiting to happen

Experts warn of election 'meltdown' as election funding is uncertain in Congress

EAC Expediting Distribution of $400 million in CARES Act Election Funding for Coronavirus Response | U.S. Election Assistance Commission

newsbreak.com/news/1579797436343/election-day-2020-could-yield-a-catastrophic-mess

8 Big Reasons Election Day 2020 Could Be a Disaster

'Things could get very ugly': Experts fear post-election crisis as Trump sets the stage to dispute the results in November

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/09/pennsylvania-becomes-ground-zero-for-election-lawsuits.html

Pennsylvania is ground zero for the election litigation in 2020

Final campaign weekend proves Pa. is truly ground zero in 2020 presidential election

Why Pennsylvania is ground zero for mail-in voting debate

North Carolina: ‘Ground zero’ in 2020 election

Coronavirus Helps Turn Michigan Into 2020 Election’s Ground Zero


7 takeaways from Mayor Jim Kenney's $5 billion spending plan

Trump may try to steal November’s election. Meet the people who wrote the book on fighting back. | Will Bunch Newsletter

The Count Guide

https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...42d351ab493/1603483144387/The+Count+Guide.pdf


The day police bombed a city street: can scars of 1985 Move atrocity be healed?

Our Partners | ACLED

Bureau of Conflict and Stabilization Operations - United States Department of State

https://twitter.com/KeeleyFox29/status/1321430465501401089

How Government and Media Are Prepping America for a Failed 2020 Election

National Security Leaders Are Warning That Russia And China Will Try To Meddle In The 2020 Election

U.S. intel: Russia and China plotting to interfere in 2020 election

Hackers Are Coming for the 2020 Election -- And We're Not Ready

Nathaniel J. Gleicher

Partnerships - Cyber Threat Alliance

David Kris - National Security Institute

“Bipartisan” Washington Insiders Reveal Their Plan for Chaos if Trump Wins the Election

https://assets.documentcloud.org/do...ing-a-Disrupted-Presidential-Election-and.pdf

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https://thephiladelphiacitizen.org/move-bombing-35th-anniversary/

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/05/politics/election-2020-pennsylvania/index.html

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/518300-pennsylvania-risks-becoming-center-of-election-chaos

https://www.newsweek.com/pennsylvania-court-battles-election-day-1540239

https://www.spotlightpa.org/news/2020/10/pa-supreme-federal-courts-election-decisions/

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/...cle_59132e76-08a9-11eb-abce-0f2c22783f6e.html

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/202...-lawsuits-now-and-perhaps-after-election-day/

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/10/pennsylvania-2020-election/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-extremists-idUSKBN26K2J7

https://outline.com/BNpCfg

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https://www.mcall.com/news/local/mc...0201022-3j6xnrhhorfn7aocgfcjuwkw2i-story.html

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...symbol-of-trumps-rust-belt-appeal/ar-BB1ahI3y

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/trump-philadelphia-pennsylvania-voting-20201003.html

https://outline.com/RxkqHR

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/21/arizona-senate-race-mark-kelly-martha-mcsally.html

https://www.fayobserver.com/story/n...ttleground-presidency-other-races/3385081001/

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/22/tech/ransomware-election-georgia/index.html

https://www.austinchronicle.com/columns/2020-10-09/opinion-why-texas-is-ground-zero-for-change/

https://www.vice.com/en/article/93w...f-militia-violence-during-election-new-report
Yep, you have to stick with that MSM who invents, supports and controls the fact checking mechanisms that they use to prove their lies. e.g. Snopes, FactCheck, Politifact.
Context.

Watch the video before you make such comments. It's kind of clear. . . you haven't.
Sorry, I admit my guilt. But in my defense, when I see a post that discredits a news source and then cuts and pastes over 50 links to sources that are no more credible than the one you are trying to discredit, I tend to lose interest and question the credibility.
The folks you are dealing with, only accept government media funded by tax-payer money and billionaire foundation money. They also only accept information funded by the corporate/commercial cabal, with millionaire CEO's that sit on an interlocking directorate of boards controlling multiple entities with companies that lobby and sit in think tanks with the politicians that rule over us.

Me posting a pod cast where the presenter uses facts from alternative sites, would do no good to convince folks that have only faith in these entities. . . what is necessary, is to use these same entities, and the critical thinking that you and I use every day to see the "wizard," behind the curtain, to maybe, just maybe get folks thinking about their everyday reality. Occasionally he will use alt. sites or his previous work, but mostly, it is just stuff that is mainstream.

I admit, the conclusions he comes to is not something you would like either. Most folks do not like to admit that both parties have been manipulating us for the past eight years, to bring us to a point of boiling chaos.

All these elites, they WANT to enact draconian laws that strip civil right and civil liberties, or declare martial law. . . but what they lack, is a reason.

If they can get the left to give them one? Fine.

If they have to provoke the right to give them that excuse, even if it means robbing an election? . .. that will do too.




(wow, I have never had THAT happen before. You know it is a vid. they don't want you to watch when it won't embed. :heehee:)

Bear in mind, this video was TWO days, before the election.
 

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I am just making the point, that if the thread is going to be in CDZ, instead of politics, the podcast should tell it's viewers the sources used and make it easy for us, or the OP should supply the links.
It couldn't hurt. Still, good to hear a news source like OANN that is biased in the OTHER direction for a change. That way, it is usually easier to find the TRUTH, somewhere in the middle.

I debated for three years in high-school, and two years on a Big Ten debate squad, the affirmative has the burden of proof.
Then like me, you probably have a solid foundation trained in logical arguments, fallacies, analysis, strategy and litigation. I wonder if they still teach debate in school now or even have civics classes?

Most intelligent folks know, OANN has a conservative bias, so they will necessarily present evidence for their case with a bias, thus, the evidence should be open to examination by those who want to have. . ."A CLEAN DEBATE."
Point made. That said, I would only offer that if a news agency like OANN comes out mostly on the side of conservatism most of the time, that does not necessarily prove bias. It just might prove that clear thinking and reason leads more often to the conservative POV which tends to be right more of the time! :SMILEW~130:
 

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The proof that now needs to make it's way to the SCOTUS!

But will it? Is Sydney Powell still prepared to present her Kraken, along with this undisputable truth?

Or is it all over for Trump and now just a dead issue? Opinions?
SCOTUS is hearing the Trump case after Biden's inauguration.
 
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The proof that now needs to make it's way to the SCOTUS!

But will it? Is Sydney Powell still prepared to present her Kraken, along with this undisputable truth?

Or is it all over for Trump and now just a dead issue? Opinions?
SCOTUS is hearing the Trump case after Biden's inauguration.
I wish Trump success with the Scotus! This still has the potential to become a revolution to stop all the vote stealing.
250,000 extra votes is some big Kraken!
 
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Just because OANN says something doesn't make it undisputable.

Then forkup the public records they used and prove they are lying!
They are the ones making the assertions. They are the people who are supposed to prove their case.

Making assertions without providing their sources would make it impossible for me to even do so. What I can say is that Georgia is led by Republicans so is Arizona. Elections are overseen by people of both parties and checked by people of both campaigns. So the premise that Democrats were capable of committing voter fraud on that scale doesn't make any sense. It's not being asserted in courts generally and the few times some were, it was laughed out of the courts.

What you are left with is a "news item" devoid of verifiable information that goes in the face of all logic.
Looks like the moderators agree with you that this is just a conspiracy theory!
But strangely, the majority that have commented on this topic think it's true!
What's a Canadian boy to think? I've tried both sides of the clusterfuk and neither work all that well.
 

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The proof that now needs to make it's way to the SCOTUS!

But will it? Is Sydney Powell still prepared to present her Kraken, along with this undisputable truth?

Or is it all over for Trump and now just a dead issue? Opinions?
SCOTUS is hearing the Trump case after Biden's inauguration.
I wish Trump success with the Scotus! This still has the potential to become a revolution to stop all the vote stealing.
250,000 extra votes is some big Kraken!
Trump has under been attack since the minute he announced he was running.
Nothing they are doing now is new.
 
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Trump has under been attack since the minute he announced he was running.
Nothing they are doing now is new.
I think the majority of Americans who take part on this board agree with you. I think you might be right so I propose giving Trump 4 more years.
I don't know how you would do that but it has to be done. But please, no violence or anymore attempted revolutions!
Have you considered prayer?
 

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Trump has under been attack since the minute he announced he was running.
Nothing they are doing now is new.
I think the majority of Americans who take part on this board agree with you. I think you might be right so I propose giving Trump 4 more years.
I don't know how you would do that but it has to be done. But please, no violence or anymore attempted revolutions!
Have you considered prayer?
I pray all day.
To be realistic, 99% of people vote for the letter.
 
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Trump has under been attack since the minute he announced he was running.
Nothing they are doing now is new.
I think the majority of Americans who take part on this board agree with you. I think you might be right so I propose giving Trump 4 more years.
I don't know how you would do that but it has to be done. But please, no violence or anymore attempted revolutions!
Have you considered prayer?
I pray all day.
To be realistic, 99% of people vote for the letter.
Sorry but I'm going to have to skip over most of your comments now because I'm already getting very busy. Try me early tomorrow.
 

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Trump has under been attack since the minute he announced he was running.
Nothing they are doing now is new.
I think the majority of Americans who take part on this board agree with you. I think you might be right so I propose giving Trump 4 more years.
I don't know how you would do that but it has to be done. But please, no violence or anymore attempted revolutions!
Have you considered prayer?
I pray all day.
To be realistic, 99% of people vote for the letter.
Sorry but I'm going to have to skip over most of your comments now because I'm already getting very busy. Try me early tomorrow.
I'm glad business is hopping!
 

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Just because OANN says something doesn't make it undisputable.

Then forkup the public records they used and prove they are lying!
They are the ones making the assertions. They are the people who are supposed to prove their case.

Making assertions without providing their sources would make it impossible for me to even do so. What I can say is that Georgia is led by Republicans so is Arizona. Elections are overseen by people of both parties and checked by people of both campaigns. So the premise that Democrats were capable of committing voter fraud on that scale doesn't make any sense. It's not being asserted in courts generally and the few times some were, it was laughed out of the courts.

What you are left with is a "news item" devoid of verifiable information that goes in the face of all logic.
Looks like the moderators agree with you that this is just a conspiracy theory!
But strangely, the majority that have commented on this topic think it's true!
What's a Canadian boy to think? I've tried both sides of the clusterfuk and neither work all that well.
What is your issue with my side? Just curious.

As to your question. I've found a good place to start is by what's being alleged and then what's been proven.

As to what's being alleged... in court that is the only entity that is legally able to rectify any voter fraud. Well not much. A few random cases of small scale fraud, and some protests to the results on constitutional grounds.

What's being proven is even less, it constitutes of... well nothing.


Now let's talk about the link provided. I will not focus on the fact that OANN is considered a simple propaganda network, I will just focus on this particular item. Whenever a real journalist, any journalist, says something is undisputed he or she typically offers an indisputable fact. Like for instance what I did when I stated that elections are administered in a bipartisan manner. It's easily verifiable to the point that contesting it is just plain dumb. What this item did was simply make assertions. Only one time providing a source for one of those assertions however vague ( data analysts). When anyone makes an assertion that something is undisputable and then offers an easily disputable assertion, chances are that person is lying.
 
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