24 Hours? How about 1330 Hours have passed and no end to the Russian/Ukraine war! Trump Con?

[Mac1958]

Putin bombs energy plants hours after telling Trump he would halt attacks

 

[AntonToo]

Yes, I got that that is your position.,

NOw, as we move forward and can see that it is not true, you will have to deal with that.

You are not going to see shit for a long while.

There will not be any deal because fundamentaly Putin has no interest at this point in Ukraine he can't control and Ukraine has no interest in living under his boot.

This just in btw:

Putin agrees to halt strikes on Ukraine energy targets in high-stakes Trump call

Kremlin says Russian president has ordered his military to stop attacks for 30 days while naming additional conditions for a full truce

www.independent.co.uk

Putin bombs energy plants hours after telling Trump he would halt attacks

Russia bombed Ukraine energy infrastructure just hours after Vladimir Putin told Donald Trump he would halt attacks on the grid.

www.telegraph.co.uk

In case you don't want to read - Putin rejected Trump's minimalist 30 day ceasefire deal.

 

[AntonToo]

It was operational till someone blew it up.

Wrong again, Nordstream II that Trump objected never went live and Germany completely killed the project when Putin sent tanks towards Kiev.

Nordstream I, that was operational long before Trump, was blown up later.

Stop posting about things you clearly have very little understanding about.

 

[jknowgood]

Wrong again, Nordstream II that Trump objected never went live and Germany completely killed the project when Putin sent tanks towards Kiev.

Nordstream I, that was operational long before Trump, was blown up later.

Stop posting about things you clearly have very little understanding about.

No, it was operational till someone blew it up.

 

[krichton]

Becasue I don't think he really intended that claim to be taken literally.

I didn't take it that way. I know of no one that claims to have taken it literally.

Did you take it literally?

Do your feelings or mine stop his lie from meeting the definition of a lie? Lies are lies, they're never up for interpretation. Make up any excuse you want for your dear leader, it won't change the facts.

That's dumb. You aren't a mind reader. His stated motive of wanting to see an end to the dying is completely valid adn believable.







It is actually completely foolish to think that Putin would NOT accept concessions.

it shows a child like ignorance of history and how wars happen.

And that child, is one of the dumber children.

If Trump wanted an immediate end to the war, then why did he not agree to a security guarantee? He hasn't done so because that was never his intention. Why is he calling Zelensky a dictator? Why is he accusing him of starting the war? Why is he throwing a tantrum in a press conference, berating Zelensky and doing a mock voice of him? None of these things is evidence of a man who's sole intention is seeking peace. It's a child stomping his feet because he's not getting what he wants, and that's a business transaction. That's all this was to him. That's why he wanted a mineral deal. I don't recall anything about peace being a part of it.

You want to know what's foolish, assuming being really old, like you're making yourself out to be over and over, connotes some sort of wisdom. You've demonstrated that adage is completely false. Foolishness has no age limit in your case. Not only has Putin outright said, he would not accept any concessions many times, but he just hung up the phone with Drumpf today and refused any peace agreement or to stop fighting. This has always been expected. Not only does having Trump in office mean a renewed sense of hope, but if Putin does end the war without ever achieving his goals, he's likely falling out of a 10 story window. Funny how you can't see that with your superior age and wisdom that you constantly tout but have never demonstrated once.

It has nothing to do with "liking him", it has to do with the fact that the war is a meatgrinder and russia is bleeding to death.

Why does Putin care if Russia is bleeding to death? He's doing all this to keep from falling out of a 10 story window, lolol. Now with Trump in office, he's probably feeling a renewed sense of purpose and hope. As we speak, Trump is busy dismantling out alliances. Putin was already able to take back territory in kursk after Trump did him the favor of pausing weapons shipments and cutting off intelligence. He hasn't seen this kind of progress in 2 years of fighting! lol. Furthermore, if US leaves NATO like Trump has promised, the rest of the countries in the alliance could fall apart if the EU isn't strong enough. And you expect Putin to give up now? LOL. It's really no wonder, why Putin continues his propaganda campaigns against the west. He knows we have no shortage of sheep and fools all over, maybe even more so in America than in any other place. Thanks for confirming.

 

[krichton]

I'm not sure what gave you that idea.

i am fine with the way things are going. I think that putin will come to terms in relatively short order.

Keep dreaming

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Your TDS is next level…be honest, did Donny touch you where your pee comes from?

IDK......
You can ask her.
Given his past, I would say YES.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Maybe Democrats need to find them some of them dumb “trust fund babies” to lead them out of that death spiral they’re in?View attachment 1090930

We don't need them.
Look how they turn out..............
Being traitors and criminals.........
"Perfect" republicans.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Lol, it was you loons buying up Tesla's till a couple months ago. Sorry your money gave him this power!

Not me.
They've been catching fire for almost two decades.
Who would buy an electric Pinto?

 

[Correll]

You are not going to see shit for a long while.

There will not be any deal because fundamentaly Putin has no interest at this point in Ukraine he can't control and Ukraine has no interest in living under his boot.

This just in btw:

Putin agrees to halt strikes on Ukraine energy targets in high-stakes Trump call

Kremlin says Russian president has ordered his military to stop attacks for 30 days while naming additional conditions for a full truce

www.independent.co.uk

Putin bombs energy plants hours after telling Trump he would halt attacks

Russia bombed Ukraine energy infrastructure just hours after Vladimir Putin told Donald Trump he would halt attacks on the grid.

www.telegraph.co.uk

In case you don't want to read - Putin rejected Trump's minimalist 30 day ceasefire deal.

And while putin is not doing a ceasefire, teh weapons continue to flow and russia continues to bleed.


Thus your position is clearly wrong.


This isn't a matter of opinion. YOur posiiton is that Trump is on putin's side, and is doing what he does to support Putin.

That's clearly not the case, by his actions and the events on the ground.


So, yeah.

 

[Correll]

Do your feelings or mine stop his lie from meeting the definition of a lie? Lies are lies, they're never up for interpretation. Make up any excuse you want for your dear leader, it won't change the facts.

The definition of a lie requires an intent to deceive. Thus, if he was just exaggerating for effect, and knew that people would not take that claim seriously, then it does stop his words from meeting the definition of a lie.

That's not an "excuse", it's a FACT, baked into the definition of the word YOU used.

If Trump wanted an immediate end to the war, then why did he not agree to a security guarantee? ...

At a guess, he thinks that that might be a heavy concession for Putin, one that you can't make a PRECONDITION for starting a discussion.

YOu ask these questions, like they are tough to answer, but the answers, are actually easy if you think about it seriously for even a second.

You want to know what's foolish, assuming being really old, like you're making yourself out to be over and over, connotes some sort of wisdom. You've demonstrated that adage is completely false. Foolishness has no age limit in your case. Not only has Putin outright said, he would not accept any concessions many times,...

YOu trust the word of an ex-kgb thug? That's dumb.

As the leader of a nation in a war, it is his job to project confidence and resolution.

That doesn't mean that he won't come to terms when the time comes.

Why does Putin care if Russia is bleeding to death? ....

Because even the patience of the russian people has limits, as Czar nicholas learned in 1917.

Again, you ask these questions, that have easy answers,

 

[Correll]

Keep dreaming

I'm going out on a limb, and being clear about it.


You are refusing to admit that you have already been proven wrong.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Look at the demented LEFT all up in arms over a ceasefire and deportation of criminal illegal aliens.
Self-awareness N/A

 

[Mac1958]

Zelensky, and the rest of the world, knows that Putin regularly breaks agreements. He is a lying, murderous thug, a former KGB officer who cannot be trusted. He will break this agreement, whatever it turns out to be, and most of us know it.

Luckily for him, he has a contingent of people who are more than happy to run interference for him, make excuses for him, and turn a blind eye to his glaringly clear history: America's Republican Party (in its current condition, anyway).

As a result, Zelensky is being careful as hell and Europe is trying to get ready, since they're next.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Zelensky, and the rest of the world, knows that Putin regularly breaks agreements. He is a lying, murderous thug, a former KGB officer who cannot be trusted. He will break this agreement, whatever it turns out to be, and most of us know it.

Luckily for him, he has a contingent of people who are more than happy to run interference for him, make excuses for him, and turn a blind eye to his glaringly clear history: America's Republican Party (in its current condition).

As a result, Zelensky is being careful as hell and Europe is trying to get ready, since they're next.

Spin, twist, and throw shit on EVERYTHING Trump does.
You fucking demented zombies keep making yourselves more repulsive by the day.

 

[hadit]

It is not my decision to make. It is Zelenski and Ukraine's decisions to make. Have they even been involved in the decisions already made?

The bottom line remains, Quid Pro Joe did little or nothing to move the combatants to the negotiation table to end the war. Only the Peace President did that.

 

[hadit]

Hold on a second. Zelenski and Ukraine have not been involved in any kind of peace agreement. Don't you think it is their decision that counts?

When the Zman is dependent on the US for arms and funding, the US has a stake in the situation. He doesn't just get a blank check to do whatever he wants.

 

[hadit]

Zelensky, and the rest of the world, knows that Putin regularly breaks agreements. He is a lying, murderous thug, a former KGB officer who cannot be trusted. He will break this agreement, whatever it turns out to be, and most of us know it.

Luckily for him, he has a contingent of people who are more than happy to run interference for him, make excuses for him, and turn a blind eye to his glaringly clear history: America's Republican Party (in its current condition, anyway).

As a result, Zelensky is being careful as hell and Europe is trying to get ready, since they're next.

Of course, Putin can't be trusted. The mineral rights take Ukraine out of his reach because then America has a vested interest in keeping him out.

 

[Luckyone]

When the Zman is dependent on the US for arms and funding, the US has a stake in the situation. He doesn't just get a blank check to do whatever he wants.

Of course not, The bullied do not have any chance to stop the bully if the school president sides with the bully, correct?

The bully agrees to not bully for a few months (while recovering in the hospital from his wounds that he suffered while the bullied kicked him in the balls while falling down with the blows he was receiving) but he is not given any punishment that would stop him from coming back after he leaves the hospital, meaning that .he continues to be a bully (he has no reason to stop).

The school president is lauded for stopping the bully (for now) and celebrates. Nonetheless, the reality is that he has solved nothing.

 

[Luckyone]

The bottom line remains, Quid Pro Joe did little or nothing to move the combatants to the negotiation table to end the war. Only the Peace President did that.

Peace president? No, he is the pedestal president