24 Hours? How about 1330 Hours have passed and no end to the Russian/Ukraine war! Trump Con?

[AntonToo]

No, it was operational till someone blew it up.

SOURCE

 

[krichton]

The definition of a lie requires an intent to deceive. Thus, if he was just exaggerating for effect, and knew that people would not take that claim seriously, then it does stop his words from meeting the definition of a lie.

That's not an "excuse", it's a FACT, baked into the definition of the word YOU used.

I can see the mental gymnastics are out in full force lol

At a guess, he thinks that that might be a heavy concession for Putin, one that you can't make a PRECONDITION for starting a discussion.

YOu ask these questions, like they are tough to answer, but the answers, are actually easy if you think about it seriously for even a second.

So how is he ending the war immediately then? According to you, that's his major motivation, meanwhile he just wants to make a deal for minerals. Will that end the war? Will Putin stop warring because of that? If you think about it seriously for even a second, you'll figure out the answer very easily.

YOu trust the word of an ex-kgb thug? That's dumb.

As the leader of a nation in a war, it is his job to project confidence and resolution.

That doesn't mean that he won't come to terms when the time comes.



Because even the patience of the russian people has limits, as Czar nicholas learned in 1917.

Again, you ask these questions, that have easy answers,

Putin has already gone past the point of no return, it's either victory or defeat at this point. For him to make a major concession would be suicide. How are you under the impression that this is even an option? lol. Furthermore, look at the moron he's dealing with. Do not be surprised if the "concession" we see out of his talks with Putin is actually from the US, selling out Ukraine. Putin is literally playing poker with a monkey, and you don't fold to a lower life form.

 

[AntonToo]

And while putin is not doing a ceasefire, teh weapons continue to flow and russia continues to bleed.

Thus your position is clearly wrong.

In which way what I’ve just explain to you is “wrong”?

Putin, by doing NOTHING, already got Trump to

halt existing weapons and intelligence sharing, even if briefly.
no new aid spending package in sight.
get into fight with Zelenskyy,
refuse to recognize Russia as the aggressor.
stop American electronic counter intelligence against Russia.
resume flights to Russia
resume international Russian sport participation.
reject NATO membership to Ukraine
reject any other American security guarantees for Ukraine.
accept that Ukraine must give territorial concessions before even any negotiations.
weaken the western alliance

With no-deals like that with Trump why would Putin want deals?

Putin’s position is improving every day Trump is in the White House. There are ONLY upsides, ONLY continued reasons to belive that his invasion will be succesful.

You can contrast that to steadfast no-bullshit escalatory support for Ukraine from prior administration that by now would have given Putin crystal clear understanding that continuing his war of choice is a dead end for Russia and his regime.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Luckily for him, he has a contingent of people who are more than happy to run interference for him, make excuses for him, and turn a blind eye to his glaringly clear history:

 

[IDIOCRACY]

Only his gullible cult.
Then, when everyone else exposes his lies and bullshit, they make excuses or blame others.
It's NEVER his fault.

Nobody believed it in the first place. Bottomline is you need to determine what your mantra's will be when the war's end is negotiated, but the left will help you with that.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Nobody believed it in the first place.

Aww..........
For all the shit Trump claimed that his cult, now claims "Should have never been believed"?
Then WHY would anyone vote for him?

Bottomline is you need to determine what your mantra's will be when the war's end is negotiated, but the left will help you with that.

They are likely the only ones that could do it.
No one is listening to the orange idiot anymore, they just laugh, AT HIM.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Then WHY would anyone vote for him?

That's just how awful your DEI candidate was.

No one is listening to the orange idiot anymore, they just laugh, AT HIM.

The deported illegal alien gang members aren't laughing.

 

[hadit]

Of course not, The bullied do not have any chance to stop the bully if the school president sides with the bully, correct?

The bully agrees to not bully for a few months (while recovering in the hospital from his wounds that he suffered while the bullied kicked him in the balls while falling down with the blows he was receiving) but he is not given any punishment that would stop him from coming back after he leaves the hospital, meaning that .he continues to be a bully (he has no reason to stop).

The school president is lauded for stopping the bully (for now) and celebrates. Nonetheless, the reality is that he has solved nothing.

You forget that the president now is getting kickbacks from the bullied kid for stopping the fight and making he stays safe, and said payments would stop if the bully picked back up again, so he makes sure that the bully stays far away from the bullied. You do realize, don't you, that the US is not going to allow Putin to stop the flow of valuable resources, right?

IOW, there's your security guarantee.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

That's just how awful your DEI candidate was.

The republicans that were stupid enough to vote for the orange retard again are waking up to the disaster, Q-NUT.

The clusterfuck of the RWNJ congress won't even show up at their district offices.

No one is listening to the orange idiot anymore, they just laugh, AT HIM.

The deported illegal alien gang members aren't laughing.

Either are the taxpayers.

U.S. deports hundreds of Venezuelans to El Salvador ...​

NPR
https://www.npr.org › alien-enemies-el-salvador-trump
3 days ago — The Trump administration deported about 250 people who it says are members of Tren de Aragua, a Venezuelan prison gang.

WTF?
Where is DOUCHE and his kids?
A fucking waste.

$6,000,000 for 250 aliens, $ 240,000 per immigrant.
WTF?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The republicans that were stupid enough to vote for the orange retard again are waking up to the disaster, Q-NUT.

The clusterfuck of the RWNJ congress won't even show up at their district offices.

Either are the taxpayers.

U.S. deports hundreds of Venezuelans to El Salvador ...​

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NPR
https://www.npr.org › alien-enemies-el-salvador-trump
3 days ago — The Trump administration deported about 250 people who it says are members of Tren de Aragua, a Venezuelan prison gang.

WTF?
Where is DOUCHE and his kids?
A fucking waste.

$6,000,000 for 250 aliens, $ 240,000 per immigrant.
WTF?

Your awful DEI candidate couldn't find enough idiot Dem voters to beat Trump.

$6,000,000 for 250 aliens, $ 240,000 per immigrant.

$24,000 each you left-wing innumerate twat.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Your awful DEI candidate couldn't find enough idiot Dem voters to beat Trump.

No Q-NUT.
When RWNJ's close polling places, in democrat areas,

$6,000,000 for 250 aliens, $ 240,000 per immigrant.

$24,000 each you left-wing innumerate twat.

WTF?
Must have taken the Trump U. correspondence course in "rithmetic" .
Trump doesn't give refunds.
Take a remedial course, you're bound to get even worse, Q-NUT.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No Q-NUT.
When RWNJ's close polling places, in democrat areas,

WTF?
Must have taken the Trump U. correspondence course in "rithmetic" .
Trump doesn't give refunds.
Take a remedial course, you're bound to get even worse, Q-NUT.

Hey, fucktard, $6000000/250 = $24,000

 

[Correll]

I can see the mental gymnastics are out in full force lol

It's dumb beyond imagining, for a lib, well, anyone at this point, to pretend to not be aware of Trump's use of hyperbole.

So how is he ending the war immediately then?

By NOT including that as a precondition for negotiations. Really, I see no connection between my saying that that is a bad precondition and your question.

According to you, that's his major motivation, meanwhile he just wants to make a deal for minerals. Will that end the war? Will Putin stop warring because of that? If you think about it seriously for even a second, you'll figure out the answer very easily.

I'm not sure how you can say, " he just wants t make a deal for minerals".

THat makes no sense. You just made that up.

Putin has already gone past the point of no return, it's either victory or defeat at this point. For him to make a major concession would be suicide.

Nope. I don't really think that is true. I think that if Putin wraps things up soon, and presents it as a win, with holding on to say, the territory they have already taken, that he will survive fine enough.

How are you under the impression that this is even an option? lol.

How are you not?

Furthermore, look at the moron he's dealing with. Do not be surprised if the "concession" we see out of his talks with Putin is actually from the US, selling out Ukraine.

That is just partisan shit talk from a lefty. Your inability to engage seriously, is kind of sad.

Putin is literally playing poker with a monkey, and you don't fold to a lower life form.

IN the real world, PUtin is stuck in a meatgrinder, and Trump has tremendous leverage over him.

Your inabily to be honest about this, is pathetic of you.

 

[Correll]

In which way what I’ve just explain to you is “wrong”?

Putin, by doing NOTHING, already got Trump to

halt existing weapons and intelligence sharing, even if briefly.
no new aid spending package in sight.
get into fight with Zelenskyy,
refuse to recognize Russia as the aggressor.
stop American electronic counter intelligence against Russia.
resume flights to Russia
resume international Russian sport participation.
reject NATO membership to Ukraine
reject any other American security guarantees for Ukraine.
accept that Ukraine must give territorial concessions before even any negotiations.
weaken the western alliance

With no-deals like that with Trump why would Putin want deals?

Putin’s position is improving every day Trump is in the White House. There are ONLY upsides, ONLY continued reasons to belive that his invasion will be succesful.

You can contrast that to steadfast no-bullshit escalatory support for Ukraine from prior administration that by now would have given Putin crystal clear understanding that continuing his war of choice is a dead end for Russia and his regime.

Until PUtin agrees to a ceasefire, the weapons continue to flow and russia continues to bleed.

That proves that your retarded belief that Trump is on putins side, to be wrong. Like really stupid wrong.

 

[AntonToo]

Until PUtin agrees to a ceasefire, the weapons continue to flow and russia continues to bleed.

That proves that your retarded belief that Trump is on putins side, to be wrong. Like really stupid wrong.

So no, you can't rationally explain what I'm wrong about.

 

[Correll]

So no, you can't rationally explain what I'm wrong about.

Trump is bleeding russia. That proves your stupid theory, stupid and wrong.


Your stonewalling is just you proving yourself dishonest.

 

[AntonToo]

Trump is bleeding russia. That proves your stupid theory, stupid and wrong.

What theory dummy?

Trump has halted, then resumed Biden signed aid, which will run out soon.

There is absolutely nothing to suggest he will sign any further aid, nothing to suggest he has done anything positive for Ukraine, everything to suggest that his fruitless efforts are a lot worse than prior administration steadfast support for Ukraine.

I've listed all the concessions Putin got from Trump just by doing nothing - can refute any of it? Nope.

 

[Correll]

What theory dummy?

Trump has halted then resumed Biden signed aid.

Your claim that Trump is on PUtin's side.

Trump is bleeding russia to death.


That makes your claim, and the fact that you are still standing by it, clearly retarded.

 

[AntonToo]

Your claim that Trump is on PUtin's side.

QUOTE ME.

What I said was Trump doesn't give a shit who runs Ukraine.

He is always on Trump's side first and foremost. If he has any princples at all, it's that. Being explicitly on Putin's side would be politically very bad for him and it doesn't even matter.

What matters is WHAT HE DOES and so far it has added up to only downsides for Urkaine, only upsides for Putin.

 

[MagicMike]

OP is so excited people are still dying.

Nice.

You just deflected from the topic ColonelAnus.
Not a word about the point of the OP which is the fact that your convicted felon has lied to you again and made complete CHUMPS out of all of you suckers who believed his campaign promises and voted for him.
What a sorry lot you MAGAts are. Even when you win you still lose.
Anyway, care to stick to the topic?