24 Hours? How about 1330 Hours have passed and no end to the Russian/Ukraine war! Trump Con?

Aw, look, you cut away everything I said, so that you could shit talk some.

You claimed that I've said here something about Trump 2020 election promises.

That false - I didn't.

So maybe you should just admit you had a brain fart and move on instead of blaming me for it.
 
You claimed that I've said here something about Trump 2020 election promises.

That false - I didn't.

So maybe you should just admit you had a brain fart and move on instead of blaming me for it.



HAHAHAHAHA. yeah, that's the important take away here, 2024 instead of 2020.

NOt that you are shit talking, trying to gin up a gotcha when you oppose the whole policy of peace.
 
Quote me admitting that.

You can't, because that's yet another one of your bullshit fabrications.

When you run away from teh point like that, that is the closest a lefty can come to admitting they lost.

Everyone knows that.
 
2024 instead of 2020.

OK, now that I know wtf you are talking about, I again direct you to the fact that Trump specifically admited that these peace promises were sarcastic, not hyperbolic as you claim.

Trump had no real reason to promise quick peace. All he had was a need to bullshit Americans.

And here is you, so far up Trump's ass that you could find absolutely no fault with lies like that.
 
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When you run away from teh point

I didn't, the point about Trump's 2024 lies about quickly ending the war were addressed multiple ways, multiple times.

You just can't seem to understand, let alone reasonably address them.
 
OK, now that I know wtf you are talking about, I again direct you to the fact that Trump specifically admited that these peace promises were sarcastic, not hyperbolic as you claim.

Trump had no real reason to promise quick peace. All he had was a need to bullshit Americans.

And here is you, so far up Trump's ass that you could find absolutely no fault with lies like that.


Now you are nitpicking word games. Peace, War, people dying in the hundreds of thousands, or more, and you want to parse words and play partisan gotcha games.


The only people that have a real beef about the 24 hour comment are those that SUPPORTED Trump because they believed that he would likely be able to deliver on that, and fully expected that to happen and that is WHY they supported him.

That is not you. YOU opposed the very concept of a peace deal, whether it was 24 hours, or 24 days or 24 weeks.


I've not seen nor heard of ONE trump supporter who is upset about that, because none of us took him literally on that hyperbolic claim.


So... you are playing silly word games, while Trump and MAGA are forging a PEACE that will save hundreds of thousands of lives of men, women and children.


Yeah, that's going to get your side back in power, come 2028.
 
I didn't, the point about Trump's 2024 lies about quickly ending the war were addressed multiple ways, multiple times.

You just can't seem to understand, let alone reasonably address them.

I understand, I addressed them and will be happy to do so as many times as you like.


If in the face of Trump delivering a peace deal that saves hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives, you want to whine that he didn't do it faster,


you play that game. I will play that game with you. Happily.


We can go over it again and again and again.


YOu be as angry as you want to be about his failure to do it in 24 hours, and I will be happy about the hundreds of thousands of lives saved by MAGA.


It's a WIN/WIN GAME!!! LOL!!!
 
He litterally said "I was being sarcastic" about his many times repeated claims during campaign that he will very quickly end the war.

Being sarcastic IS NOT HYPERBOLE dumbass.

Whats wrong with you? Why can't you simply admit he shamelessly lied and thats a bad thing to do? Why is it so hard for you simply call it as it is obviously is?
Sarcasm is synonymous with hyperbole.
You assholes insist on playing the let's take Trump for every word he says VERBATIM game.

GTFOH with that bullshit.
 
Sarcasm is synonymous with hyperbole.
You assholes insist on playing the let's take Trump for every word he says VERBATIM game.

GTFOH with that bullshit.

It was a dumb game to play back in 2016. NOw, it's fucking retarded.
 
I used the word I meant to use. And I explained it.

Your refusal to address my actual point, is you running it, because you know you lost the debate already.

it's a distinction without difference because Trump is still lying. That fact is something that shouldn't be debatable and yet here you are. This is something a child might argue with their mother over so he isn't punished for lying. You're basically making the same argument of a 7 year old.

PUtin has lost 200k men. That is him being in a position of weakness. He is the one that has ruined his nation's army and greatly harmed a generation of his nation's young men.

You are a fool.

Putin has lost way more than just a lot of men and yet, he's still making Trump wait 3 hours for a scheduled phone call, like a chump. Although, afterwards, Putin did agree to a 30 day ceasefire on Ukraine's energy infrastructure, which he promptly broke a few hours later by striking Ukraine's energy infrastructure, LOL. Position of weakness, you say? You are the fool here and Putin just proved it in a matter of hours. Putin sends his love and warm wishes to his army of useful idiots

Nothing you said there, really connected the way you pretended it did. Characterizing the deal as a repayment, in no way supports your claim that it is "all he cares about".

DId you forget the point you were trying to make? Or did you just completely fail to make any sense?

Then why did Dump make the claim that he will not be providing any arms assistance after the mineral deal is settled? Why does he say that Ukraine doesn't need to be included in peace talks? Why would someone interested in peace make such a public statement? How can real peace be achieved by leaving out one of the countries involved? It seems to me that Trump is planning a double cross of Ukraine whereby he eventually leaves Ukraine defenseless and allows Russia to run over them. That's basically what Dump did in his afghanistan pull out deal. He handicapped our ability to fight back, while giving the Taliban everything, and he made this deal behind everyone's back. This is the person you're bending down to kiss their toes.

I never forgot the point I was making, since I'm still continuing to make it, but it's still not getting through to you. Perhaps you have a hard time following in your old age.


Correct.



If you are correct, then you get what you wanted, ie endless war. So, why are you acting like someone took your favorite doll?

Your arguments don't make any sense.




The fact that his stated motivation is to save lives, while you lefties are happy to spend them for political reasons.

That makes him an infinitely better person than ALL of you.

Dump's only mission is to himself. This whole "saving lives" bullshit is just another right wing, maga talking point. You wouldn't believe how often I see this repeated over and over. It's like you people are handed scripts to read and you do it, verbatim.

Except, that until he agrees to a ceasefire, the weapons flow and russia is bleeding to death.

YOur claims are clearly false. Like retarded false.

That's already been happening for 3 years now, what's another day, another month, another year? The difference now is, Putin has an asset in the oval office he can bend to his will.
 
Sarcasm is synonymous with hyperbole.

No dummy it isn't.

Hyperbole is when you exaggerate.

Sarcasm is when you mean exactly opposite of what you are saying.


When Trump said he will quickly end the war - a lot of people believed him - Americans, Ukranians, Europeans, Russians. Many took that to be a literal promise, many took at as aspirational electoral hyperbole, but certainly no one thought he was sarcastic.

Does anyone on the right even understand what words mean? Or do you just throw out even basic word definitions to never ever have to admit Dear Leader lies with impunity?
 
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And while putin is not doing a ceasefire, teh weapons continue to flow and russia continues to bleed.


Thus your position is clearly wrong.


This isn't a matter of opinion. YOur posiiton is that Trump is on putin's side, and is doing what he does to support Putin.

That's clearly not the case, by his actions and the events on the ground.


So, yeah.

And what price has Putin had to pay for not accepting the ceasefire, then only accepting a ceasefire on energy infrastructure, and then immediately breaking it? The continuation of weapons and intelligence to Ukraine, which was happening anyway for the last 3 years? Trump halted weapons and intelligence to Ukraine, causing a desperate situation. What has he done to Russia? Absolutely nada.
 
I'm going out on a limb, and being clear about it.


You are refusing to admit that you have already been proven wrong.

You have proven nothing, other than you're just another run of the mill Trump loyalist. What else is new in maga?
 
Zelensky, and the rest of the world, knows that Putin regularly breaks agreements. He is a lying, murderous thug, a former KGB officer who cannot be trusted. He will break this agreement, whatever it turns out to be, and most of us know it.

Luckily for him, he has a contingent of people who are more than happy to run interference for him, make excuses for him, and turn a blind eye to his glaringly clear history: America's Republican Party (in its current condition, anyway).

As a result, Zelensky is being careful as hell and Europe is trying to get ready, since they're next.

And he did it, right on cue. No need to wait. Who is stupid enough, aside from Maga, who still takes Putin at his word, whenever he agrees to a "ceasefire?"

Trust me, Putin loves and appreciates all of his useful idiots.
 
In which way what I’ve just explain to you is “wrong”?

Putin, by doing NOTHING, already got Trump to

halt existing weapons and intelligence sharing, even if briefly.
no new aid spending package in sight.
get into fight with Zelenskyy,
refuse to recognize Russia as the aggressor.
stop American electronic counter intelligence against Russia.
resume flights to Russia
resume international Russian sport participation.
reject NATO membership to Ukraine
reject any other American security guarantees for Ukraine.
accept that Ukraine must give territorial concessions before even any negotiations.
weaken the western alliance

With no-deals like that with Trump why would Putin want deals?

Putin’s position is improving every day Trump is in the White House. There are ONLY upsides, ONLY continued reasons to belive that his invasion will be succesful.

You can contrast that to steadfast no-bullshit escalatory support for Ukraine from prior administration that by now would have given Putin crystal clear understanding that continuing his war of choice is a dead end for Russia and his regime.

The Art of the Deal: the strategy where you gift your opponent everything, without asking for anything in return. Trump used the art of the deal in his Afghanistan deal as well. Worked out perfect.

Btw, these are all great points
 
Until PUtin agrees to a ceasefire, the weapons continue to flow and russia continues to bleed.

That proves that your retarded belief that Trump is on putins side, to be wrong. Like really stupid wrong.

You really can't be this naive.
 
it's a distinction without difference because Trump is still lying. That fact is something that shouldn't be debatable and yet here you are. This is something a child might argue with their mother over so he isn't punished for lying. You're basically making the same argument of a 7 year old.

It was clearly not a serious intent to deceive.

And more importantly, this is not your concern. You oppose the idea of a peace deal, so you whining that he is moving too slowing on the peace deal you oppose, is just shit talk from you.

What you should be doing, if you were a serious person, would be to be making your case for the policy you support, ie a long term proxy war and why that is better than peace.





Putin has lost way more than just a lot of men and yet, he's still making Trump wait 3 hours for a scheduled phone call, like a chump. Although, afterwards, Putin did agree to a 30 day ceasefire on Ukraine's energy infrastructure, which he promptly broke a few hours later by striking Ukraine's energy infrastructure, LOL. Position of weakness, you say? You are the fool here and Putin just proved it in a matter of hours. Putin sends his love and warm wishes to his army of useful idiots

Yes, putin is in a position of weakness. He can't continue to lose men and material the way he has been.

That is the point. Your refusal to address it seriously, is your refusal to be a serious person.




Then why did Dump make the claim that he will not be providing any arms assistance after the mineral deal is settled? Why does he say that Ukraine doesn't need to be included in peace talks? Why would someone interested in peace make such a public statement? How can real peace be achieved by leaving out one of the countries involved? It seems to me that Trump is planning a double cross of Ukraine whereby he eventually leaves Ukraine defenseless and allows Russia to run over them. That's basically what Dump did in his afghanistan pull out deal. He handicapped our ability to fight back, while giving the Taliban everything, and he made this deal behind everyone's back. This is the person you're bending down to kiss their toes.

Wait, so you are claiming that Trump only cares about teh minerals, and wants to sign a deal to get the minerals, and then he plans to stop defending the minerals so that Putin can take them and make teh deal moot?

That... makes no sense.

If you really believed that he only cared about the minerals, you would be expecting him to strongly defend Ukraine once the peace deal was signed, becasue he would be protecting "his" minerals.

Did you even think about the shit you were saying, even for a second?



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Dump's only mission is to himself. This whole "saving lives" bullshit is just another right wing, maga talking point. You wouldn't believe how often I see this repeated over and over. It's like you people are handed scripts to read and you do it, verbatim.

Normal people don't want to see large numbers of people die for no reason. This is normal and believable.


That is doesn't seem like that to YOU, is something to do with YOU, not Trump, not MAGA.


You hear it a lot, because it a real part of this issue. Indeed, from our prespective, it is the core of this issue.



That's already been happening for 3 years now, what's another day, another month, another year? The difference now is, Putin has an asset in the oval office he can bend to his will.

YOu made the claim that he does what PUtin wants. Putin doesn't want the weapons to continue to flow. They are butchering his men.

You... you really completely forgot the point of what you were saying, and thus when I addressed YOUR point, you didn't even understand what you were talkinga bout, so you sort of wandered off.


This is very common with lefties. You are so much in a bubble, that you don't even know how to have a real discussion.
 
And what price has Putin had to pay for not accepting the ceasefire, then only accepting a ceasefire on energy infrastructure, and then immediately breaking it? The continuation of weapons and intelligence to Ukraine, which was happening anyway for the last 3 years? Trump halted weapons and intelligence to Ukraine, causing a desperate situation. What has he done to Russia? Absolutely nada.


The halting of weapons to the ukraine was to bring zelenski into line. That had to be done.


As to what price is putin paying? The weapons are still flowing. Russia is still bleeding.

Just like you want. So, why are you so upset? If Trump fails, you win. YOu get your endless war.


Why are you not happy to see that Putin is still holding out?
 

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