2016: The Year Americans Found Out Their Elections Are Rigged

[MarcATL]

I agree to a degree....

First let me say, ''the establishment'' is just a softer synonym for ''the PARTY''...... it's 'THE PARTY, the Republican Party, that is doing this to Trump....and as long as you all hang on to this regurgitation of calling it 'the establishment' you are HIDING who is truly doing this....it is the Republican Party, the RNC/the GOP that is doing this to Mr. Trump....

It is NOT THE SAME with the DNC and Bernie....

no one in the Democratic party is trying to STOP sanders, there is no #NeverSanders movement as there is a #NeverTrump....

NO ONE in the Democratic Party is out there trying to belittle Bernie, as the Republican Party has put out there to belittle Trump....

Trump is winning in the votes of the people AHEAD of all other Republican candidates

Sanders is losing by 2MILLION votes of the people, against Hillary....

Trying to bring the Democratic Party in to this by the author, is just diminishing what the Republican Party HAS CHOSEN TO DO against Mr. Trump.

So true.

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and the dems are as pure as the driven snow------------------NOT.

Why so extreme? They simply aren't as scuzzy or slimy as the Republicans. Not nearly. Relax.

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[bendog]

Of course they are rigged, they are private institutions. They don't have to accept anyones' votes.

What I am learning in 2016 is the dumbshit billionaire who allegedly calls all the shots didn't bother to even compete for delegates because he didn't understand the established rules that existed before he ran for president. Putin would love him.

Imo, it's more that the billionaire realized the rules in caucus states are not conducive to his strength of motivating large numbers of usually apathetic people to do an incredibly easy task of showing up someplace for 30 mins to fill out a ballot, as opposed to establishment supporters who will stand in line for hours, and sometimes even more than once.

 

[Care4all]

Who ever said you were? Your education is your own responsibility.

Until this year, most americans believed that their votes in the primaries had some influence in who got the nomination. Some of us understand that that was never the case, but the majority believed that it was.

Now, because of Trump and Sanders, the truth is coming out and lots of people are very pissed at both parties-------------and that's a good thing for the country.

hello? is anybody home?

Bernie Sanders has 2,500,000 LESS VOTES of the people than Hillary....

Trump is winning the votes of the people in the RNC primaries.

Trying to bring the Democrats in to this Trump/ RNC fiasco that the Republican Party is doing, FAILS imo.

can you say-----------democrat super delegates? Hmmmmm?

Why?

Not a single super Delegate has voted yet...

It doesn't matter at this point, Bernie IS NOT WINNING the vote of the people.... if he were winning the vote of the people, and won the vote of the people come the convention, and super delegates did not move the majority of their votes to the candidate who won in the primary citizenry votes, THEN AND ONLY THEN, would it matter and then and only then, could the Democratic Party be put on the same level of scuzziness as the Republican Party.

are you on planet earth?

on solid ground!

not ONE single Super Delegate has VOTED yet...some, not all, have voiced their support for a candidate, but like I've said, they have not taken a pledge to support any candidate...they can change their minds a hundred times before they actually vote in the convention.

 

[Care4all]

so tell me something folks,

were you all upset that the popular vote went to Al Gore in 2000 but he didn't win the election and become president?

 

[Foxfyre]

Until this year, most americans believed that their votes in the primaries had some influence in who got the nomination. Some of us understand that that was never the case, but the majority believed that it was.

Now, because of Trump and Sanders, the truth is coming out and lots of people are very pissed at both parties-------------and that's a good thing for the country.

hello? is anybody home?

Bernie Sanders has 2,500,000 LESS VOTES of the people than Hillary....

Trump is winning the votes of the people in the RNC primaries.

Trying to bring the Democrats in to this Trump/ RNC fiasco that the Republican Party is doing, FAILS imo.

can you say-----------democrat super delegates? Hmmmmm?

Why?

Not a single super Delegate has voted yet...

It doesn't matter at this point, Bernie IS NOT WINNING the vote of the people.... if he were winning the vote of the people, and won the vote of the people come the convention, and super delegates did not move the majority of their votes to the candidate who won in the primary citizenry votes, THEN AND ONLY THEN, would it matter and then and only then, could the Democratic Party be put on the same level of scuzziness as the Republican Party.

are you on planet earth?

on solid ground!

not ONE single Super Delegate has VOTED yet...some, not all, have voiced their support for a candidate, but like I've said, they have not taken a pledge to support any candidate...they can change their minds a hundred times before they actually vote in the convention.

Sure they can. But did you vote for a single super delegate? No. Did anybody vote for those super delegates? No. They are hand picked and instruments of the DNC to do the DNC's bidding. The only difference between them and what most of the GOP delegates are going to be is that the DNC is at least honest about it. The RNC is not.

 

[bendog]

so tell me something folks,

were you all upset that the popular vote went to Al Gore in 2000 but he didn't win the election and become president?

No. I voted for W (OMG!), but that's irrelevant (except to my own conscience). I thought the Supreme Court decision was not only unwise, wrongfully decided, but also it was totally unnecessary. The Constitution had a remedy for a state election that basically was a statistical tie. The state legislature decides, and W was gonna win in that event anyway.

This is a bit different. It's billionaire huckster who is an outsider, and a lot of politically unsophisticated, and normally apathetic, novices who see that states select delegates by means other than a single primary open vote. There's no doubt the system is "rigged" against outsiders. Reagan learned that first hand in 76, and he spent the next four years putting "his people" in charge of state parties.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

hello? is anybody home?

Bernie Sanders has 2,500,000 LESS VOTES of the people than Hillary....

Trump is winning the votes of the people in the RNC primaries.

Trying to bring the Democrats in to this Trump/ RNC fiasco that the Republican Party is doing, FAILS imo.

can you say-----------democrat super delegates? Hmmmmm?

Why?

Not a single super Delegate has voted yet...

It doesn't matter at this point, Bernie IS NOT WINNING the vote of the people.... if he were winning the vote of the people, and won the vote of the people come the convention, and super delegates did not move the majority of their votes to the candidate who won in the primary citizenry votes, THEN AND ONLY THEN, would it matter and then and only then, could the Democratic Party be put on the same level of scuzziness as the Republican Party.

are you on planet earth?

on solid ground!

not ONE single Super Delegate has VOTED yet...some, not all, have voiced their support for a candidate, but like I've said, they have not taken a pledge to support any candidate...they can change their minds a hundred times before they actually vote in the convention.

Sure they can. But did you vote for a single super delegate? No. Did anybody vote for those super delegates? No. They are hand picked and instruments of the DNC to do the DNC's bidding. The only difference between them and what most of the GOP delegates are going to be is that the DNC is at least honest about it. The RNC is not.

They are instruments of the DNC as is any delegate of either party. The " do the bidding" part is only true insofar as delegates interests overlap with the interests of the party. I know it burns when you find out things don't work as you imagined but you'll get over it. No party has lied to you.There is no great conspiracy. The nomination process has always been the purview of the parties and not the voters.

 

[Care4all]

hello? is anybody home?

Bernie Sanders has 2,500,000 LESS VOTES of the people than Hillary....

Trump is winning the votes of the people in the RNC primaries.

Trying to bring the Democrats in to this Trump/ RNC fiasco that the Republican Party is doing, FAILS imo.

can you say-----------democrat super delegates? Hmmmmm?

Why?

Not a single super Delegate has voted yet...

It doesn't matter at this point, Bernie IS NOT WINNING the vote of the people.... if he were winning the vote of the people, and won the vote of the people come the convention, and super delegates did not move the majority of their votes to the candidate who won in the primary citizenry votes, THEN AND ONLY THEN, would it matter and then and only then, could the Democratic Party be put on the same level of scuzziness as the Republican Party.

are you on planet earth?

on solid ground!

not ONE single Super Delegate has VOTED yet...some, not all, have voiced their support for a candidate, but like I've said, they have not taken a pledge to support any candidate...they can change their minds a hundred times before they actually vote in the convention.

Sure they can. But did you vote for a single super delegate? No. Did anybody vote for those super delegates? No. They are hand picked and instruments of the DNC to do the DNC's bidding. The only difference between them and what most of the GOP delegates are going to be is that the DNC is at least honest about it. The RNC is not.

were you upset that Al Gore won the popular vote but the electors and supreme court chose Bush?

Presidents have never been picked by the popular vote, our constitution specifies that we the people's vote, does not pick our President, electors do....

Primaries are no different with delegates....

And I truly think each member of the house of representatives and the Senate, know MORE about each candidate running than any of us do....they know specifically how the system works/functions and they have more one on one contact with each candidate from their party than we do....so I have no problem with super delegates in the Party....by far, the people get at least 2/3's to 3/4's of the choosing a candidate through their vote, and those 'in the know' and those who we chose to represent us and who will have to work with the new president daily, get the rest...

after researching it all, I'm ok with that......

 

[JimBowie1958]

Of course they are rigged, they are private institutions. They don't have to accept anyones' votes..

Then we need to change that.

The two major parties are performing a necessary function that needs to be democratic and objectively run. To let them play Kingmakers is a danger to our Republic.

 

[JimBowie1958]

were you upset that Al Gore won the popular vote but the electors and supreme court chose Bush?

Presidents have never been picked by the popular vote, our constitution specifies that we the people's vote, does not pick our President, electors do....

Primaries are no different with delegates.....

So it would be no big deal to you if the general election were canceled and the next President chosen by unbound delegates to the Electoral College?

 

[JimBowie1958]

The key to being a conservative is to be intrinsically hypocritical.

And most conservatives think that about you liberals.

From my perspective I think you are both right to the degree that you are partisan or ideological instead of rational and objective.

 

[bendog]

were you upset that Al Gore won the popular vote but the electors and supreme court chose Bush?

Presidents have never been picked by the popular vote, our constitution specifies that we the people's vote, does not pick our President, electors do....

Primaries are no different with delegates.....

So it would be no big deal to you if the general election were canceled and the next President chosen by unbound delegates to the Electoral College?

Please try to stay within the bounds of reality.

 

[bendog]

Of course they are rigged, they are private institutions. They don't have to accept anyones' votes..

Then we need to change that.

The two major parties are performing a necessary function that needs to be democratic and objectively run. To let them play Kingmakers is a danger to our Republic.

How is the republic endangered?

 

[JimBowie1958]

were you upset that Al Gore won the popular vote but the electors and supreme court chose Bush?

Presidents have never been picked by the popular vote, our constitution specifies that we the people's vote, does not pick our President, electors do....

Primaries are no different with delegates.....

So it would be no big deal to you if the general election were canceled and the next President chosen by unbound delegates to the Electoral College?

Please try to stay within the bounds of reality.

Of course they are rigged, they are private institutions. They don't have to accept anyones' votes..

Then we need to change that.

The two major parties are performing a necessary function that needs to be democratic and objectively run. To let them play Kingmakers is a danger to our Republic.

How is the republic endangered?

When Oligarchs can hand pick a nominee despite the votes of millions of people and find no problem with reducing the voter participation without their consent in order to elect their best bootlicking worms, that is when the democratic Republic we have sworn loyalty to is in danger of becoming a mere formality as the Soviet Republics were or Caesar's Rome.

Might try reading some history, dude. Rome was not destroyed in a single day.

 

[bendog]

I've lived in four states now, and I don't think Mississippi is unusual in terms of citizen participation in a state party. There's no barrier to getting involved with a party.

Mississippi Republican Party » Events

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Of course they are rigged, they are private institutions. They don't have to accept anyones' votes..

Then we need to change that.

The two major parties are performing a necessary function that needs to be democratic and objectively run. To let them play Kingmakers is a danger to our Republic.

It is objective to the goals of each party.
Why would they try and nominate a candidate to lead their party if they don't have the majority support of their party delegates?
What you are asking for is like the NFL allowing the fans vote on the draft and starting lineup of their team. Why would the team owners cede that control? It's their team right?

 

[JimBowie1958]

I've lived in four states now, and I don't think Mississippi is unusual in terms of citizen participation in a state party. There's no barrier to getting involved with a party.

Mississippi Republican Party » Events

There was in Colorado when the GOP there decided to revoke the primary without getting the consent of its dues paying members, Sherlock

 

[Hutch Starskey]

were you upset that Al Gore won the popular vote but the electors and supreme court chose Bush?

Presidents have never been picked by the popular vote, our constitution specifies that we the people's vote, does not pick our President, electors do....

Primaries are no different with delegates.....

So it would be no big deal to you if the general election were canceled and the next President chosen by unbound delegates to the Electoral College?

Please try to stay within the bounds of reality.

Of course they are rigged, they are private institutions. They don't have to accept anyones' votes..

Then we need to change that.

The two major parties are performing a necessary function that needs to be democratic and objectively run. To let them play Kingmakers is a danger to our Republic.

How is the republic endangered?

When Oligarchs can hand pick a nominee despite the votes of millions of people and find no problem with reducing the voter participation without their consent in order to elect their best bootlicking worms, that is when the democratic Republic we have sworn loyalty to is in danger of becoming a mere formality as the Soviet Republics were or Caesar's Rome.

Might try reading some history, dude. Rome was not destroyed in a single day.

Untwist your panties there Shirley. This has always been the process and we are still here. In most elections the party backed candidate is also the primary favorite so it's not an issue. This time the outsiders are front runners as the Republican Party is not as unified as it once was.

 

[Care4all]

were you upset that Al Gore won the popular vote but the electors and supreme court chose Bush?

Presidents have never been picked by the popular vote, our constitution specifies that we the people's vote, does not pick our President, electors do....

Primaries are no different with delegates.....

So it would be no big deal to you if the general election were canceled and the next President chosen by unbound delegates to the Electoral College?

who picks the electors?

 

[bendog]

were you upset that Al Gore won the popular vote but the electors and supreme court chose Bush?

Presidents have never been picked by the popular vote, our constitution specifies that we the people's vote, does not pick our President, electors do....

Primaries are no different with delegates.....

So it would be no big deal to you if the general election were canceled and the next President chosen by unbound delegates to the Electoral College?

Please try to stay within the bounds of reality.

Of course they are rigged, they are private institutions. They don't have to accept anyones' votes..

Then we need to change that.

The two major parties are performing a necessary function that needs to be democratic and objectively run. To let them play Kingmakers is a danger to our Republic.

How is the republic endangered?

When Oligarchs can hand pick a nominee despite the votes of millions of people and find no problem with reducing the voter participation without their consent in order to elect their best bootlicking worms, that is when the democratic Republic we have sworn loyalty to is in danger of becoming a mere formality as the Soviet Republics were or Caesar's Rome.

Might try reading some history, dude. Rome was not destroyed in a single day.

All but 3 of colo's natl delegates were elected. No one has shown anyone was denied the opportunity to legitimately vote in the precinct caucuses in early March. After that, only delegates elected at the caucuses could vote, and they voted either in county caucuses or at the state convention, where half of the natl delegates were elected at each. (besides the three who are sorta like superdelegates)

The only oligarch harmed was Trump, who didn't have his voters are the March 2 precinct caucuses.