17 complaints against alleged killer

Tommy Tainant · May 30, 2020

How white America excuses its own violence

The killing of George Floyd has, like other killings of black Americans, been quickly repurposed as a story about the violence of the ensuing protests.

www.newstatesman.com

This was recorded by a teenage girl, 17-year-old Darnella Frazier. Because it was recorded, the four officers involved in Floyd’s death were fired on Tuesday. Online city records show that the officer who killed him, a white man named Derek Chauvin, has had 17 complaints filed against him. Sixteen of those complaints were closed without any disciplinary action.

The article covers a number of issues that surround this murder but the one that caught my eye was the track record of the thug. How many complaints do you have to accrue before somebody in a suit is prompted to take a look at what is going on ?

There seem to be institutional issues with US police forces across the country. Whether it is racism, criminality, corruption, violence or whatever. Maybe the job attracts the wrong sort of individual ? Perhaps the training is deficient. Maybe the support structures are not in place when officers go off the rails ?

Its obviously a stressful job in a violent country and that is not going to change any time soon. But the police seem to be divorced from the people that they serve and that is a recipe for disaster.

Oddball · May 30, 2020

The bureaucracy protects its own....Always has.

On another note, there are those decrying this crime at the street level, who go far out of their way to excuse the blatant criminality of those at the top, for no better reason than that they're members of their political team.

Polishprince · May 30, 2020

Americans love to complain, the fact that this gentleman had a few- less than 1 a year for a 19 year veteran- really isn't indicative of anything one way or another. Americans sometimes like to complain to try and get out of something as small as a $5 parking ticket. Sometimes it works.

I wouldn't read too much into that.

BTW, America isn't very violent at all. Other nations, many with stricter gun control than America like Congo, have much higher murder rates.

gipper · May 30, 2020

There goes Klobuchar vp choice up in smoke.

aaronleland · May 30, 2020

It's probably not that hard to accrue 17 complaints in a 19 year career, but it does show a pattern of this guy being a bit of a dick. Any cop subduing somebody by kneeling on their head is a bit of a dick.

Sun Devil 92 · May 30, 2020

Sensational news.

Would be good to know what the average number of complaints against officers are.

If they each have one a year......then it becomes a big fat "So, the ****, what" moment.

But we don't get that data because people like you have your nickers all the way up your ass over stuff like this.

Olde Europe · May 30, 2020

Tommy Tainant said:
How white America excuses its own violence

The killing of George Floyd has, like other killings of black Americans, been quickly repurposed as a story about the violence of the ensuing protests.

www.newstatesman.com

This was recorded by a teenage girl, 17-year-old Darnella Frazier. Because it was recorded, the four officers involved in Floyd’s death were fired on Tuesday. Online city records show that the officer who killed him, a white man named Derek Chauvin, has had 17 complaints filed against him. Sixteen of those complaints were closed without any disciplinary action.

The article covers a number of issues that surround this murder but the one that caught my eye was the track record of the thug. How many complaints do you have to accrue before somebody in a suit is prompted to take a look at what is going on ?

There seem to be institutional issues with US police forces across the country. Whether it is racism, criminality, corruption, violence or whatever. Maybe the job attracts the wrong sort of individual ? Perhaps the training is deficient. Maybe the support structures are not in place when officers go off the rails ?

Its obviously a stressful job in a violent country and that is not going to change any time soon. But the police seem to be divorced from the people that they serve and that is a recipe for disaster.

"Qualified immunity" is the term best suited to understand the legal side of what is happening, and why. The other side is the pervasive racism and the implied order to the lynch mob in blue to put the fearsome, threatening Black thugs down.

Tommy Tainant · May 30, 2020

This seems to happen every couple of years. One has to wonder how many George Floyds there were who didnt have their execution filmed ?

Polishprince · May 30, 2020

aaronleland said:
It's probably not that hard to accrue 17 complaints in a 19 year career, but it does show a pattern of this guy being a bit of a dick. Any cop subduing somebody by kneeling on their head is a bit of a dick.

A lot of police officers are a "bit of a dick". It sort of comes with the territory. Cops are called from time to time to bust people, often for really petty shit. To tolerate that for decades and to thrive in that kind of atmosphere requires a certain personality. Police officers do their best to avoid trouble, and maintaining their tunnel vision, particularly when they are under assault. What you don't see, you don't have to pinch someone on. But sometimes its unavoidable.

Further, a lot of criminals don't know enough to just keep their mouths shut and let the cops do their jobs. Police Officers don't like to hear their mothers accused of prostitution or their fathers accused of buggery. And they will react, beating those that would make such false accusations to the fullest extent of the law.

Polishprince · May 30, 2020

Tommy Tainant said:
This seems to happen every couple of years. One has to wonder how many George Floyds there were who didnt have their execution filmed ?

It wasn't an "execution" at all.

But you're right that a lot of guys have always got roughed up by the police, usually because they mouthed off to them. I don't think that the intent was to kill Mr. Floyd at all, the problem was that Floyd had serious coronary disease and happened to coincidentally die after getting the crap kicked out of him by the police.

aaronleland · May 30, 2020

Polishprince said:
aaronleland said:

It's probably not that hard to accrue 17 complaints in a 19 year career, but it does show a pattern of this guy being a bit of a dick. Any cop subduing somebody by kneeling on their head is a bit of a dick.

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A lot of police officers are a "bit of a dick". It sort of comes with the territory. Cops are called from time to time to bust people, often for really petty shit. To tolerate that for decades and to thrive in that kind of atmosphere requires a certain personality. Police officers do their best to avoid trouble, and maintaining their tunnel vision, particularly when they are under assault. What you don't see, you don't have to pinch someone on. But sometimes its unavoidable.

Further, a lot of criminals don't know enough to just keep their mouths shut and let the cops do their jobs. Police Officers don't like to hear their mothers accused of prostitution or their fathers accused of buggery. And they will react, beating those that would make such false accusations to the fullest extent of the law.

I can understand officers that are put into high pressure situations losing their cool. That's why a lot of perps get their asses kicked after high speed chases. This doesn't sound like such a situation. Reports are that Floyd was resisting arrest, but I haven't heard anybody, including those officers involved, claim that he was a danger to anybody but himself. But pushing somebody's face into concrete with your knee is the act of a very angry human being.

MizMolly · May 31, 2020

Where is the outrage on this ?

Mississippi cop on leave after video shows his hands around man’s neck

A Mississippi cop held a young man by the neck as onlookers screamed, “He can’t breathe!,” troubling video shows. The 2-minute clip posted to Facebook Friday shows a uniformed Jackson police office…

nypost.com

Polishprince · May 31, 2020

MizMolly said:
Where is the outrage on this ?

Mississippi cop on leave after video shows his hands around man’s neck

A Mississippi cop held a young man by the neck as onlookers screamed, “He can’t breathe!,” troubling video shows. The 2-minute clip posted to Facebook Friday shows a uniformed Jackson police office…

nypost.com

That's just 2 black guys, nothing to see there. Doesn't meet the media's narrative.

BTW, a lot of police officers are jackasses, this kind of thing does happen.

A lot of professional wrestlers are jackasses too, here is Terry Funk of Amarillo putting a plastic bag over Ric Flair's head. BTW, Mr. Funk was suspended for Life plus 20 years from the WCW, although the sentence was later reversed.

emilynghiem · May 31, 2020

Tommy Tainant said:
How white America excuses its own violence

The killing of George Floyd has, like other killings of black Americans, been quickly repurposed as a story about the violence of the ensuing protests.

www.newstatesman.com

This was recorded by a teenage girl, 17-year-old Darnella Frazier. Because it was recorded, the four officers involved in Floyd’s death were fired on Tuesday. Online city records show that the officer who killed him, a white man named Derek Chauvin, has had 17 complaints filed against him. Sixteen of those complaints were closed without any disciplinary action.

The article covers a number of issues that surround this murder but the one that caught my eye was the track record of the thug. How many complaints do you have to accrue before somebody in a suit is prompted to take a look at what is going on ?

There seem to be institutional issues with US police forces across the country. Whether it is racism, criminality, corruption, violence or whatever. Maybe the job attracts the wrong sort of individual ? Perhaps the training is deficient. Maybe the support structures are not in place when officers go off the rails ?

Its obviously a stressful job in a violent country and that is not going to change any time soon. But the police seem to be divorced from the people that they serve and that is a recipe for disaster.

Dear Tommy Tainant
I usually see reports that focus on ONE aspect or another,
but RARELY cover all these factors inclusively:
* percentage of White vs. African Americans per population
* crime rates of White vs. African Americans
* arrest rates and deaths by police of White vs. African Americans
As you can see below, the reports based on numbers don't show percentages.
The reports showing percentages, don't account for crime rates,
and if they do, they don't show this proportional to the population breakdown.

In general, we know the majority of incarcerated populations are ethnic minorities
largely due to socioeconomic disparity in education and legal defenses.

The biggest factor I see at play is the different in education and experience
with laws and governance. The people most exploited politically here are
those without knowledge, training or resources to defend themselves
equally as those with greater ability to defend their rights and interests.

That "socioeconomic" disparity is what we need to address.
Yes it correlates to race and class, but race and class are not the cause.
The disparity in education and empowerment by knowledge of the laws
and experience with ownership is what ENABLES abuse and oppression
that correlated and is blame on race, class and now political affiliation.