The Derek Chauvin effect/affect on law enforcement

[IM2]

Depends on whose figures you use. I don't know a soul who thinks there is less crime now.

2022 Data Shows U.S. Violent Crime Is Up — And Also Down. Here's How.

Property crime and violence against young people are both up, recent federal data shows, but other crime trends are murkier.

www.themarshallproject.org

The facts from the DOJ say so.

 

[JoeB131]

And in this case we didn't see any whites protesting for that family. They have basically been on it alone, while the RWM who declared that all lives mattered waited until Goege Floyd was killed to use this man as a political football to deny racism.

You have a point.

White people don't usually complain when the cops off our mentally ill, habitual drug users, and career criminals. We're usually glad to be rid of them.

Because these people, no matter what color they are, are a menace to society.

But there are race pimps like Sharpton, Jackson, and BLM who are happy to take a piece of human excrement like George Floyd and turn him into a martyr.

Not a one of them would want him to move in next door. Not a one of them offered to do anything about their drug or mental illness problems when they were alive.

 

[Coyote]

Yep....when you prosecute officers for doing their jobs you will get less job and more of what it is they're supposed to be stopping. The new, more polite and less aggressive policies don't work. People are people...not automatons that follow lines from some psychology book.

Humans are rather ugly creatures. Not only do they have the full range of animal instincts they also dangerously have enough intelligence to figure out how to apply those instincts against all social norms for their own benefit. Give them more room for their dysfunction and That is exactly what you will get, more of the dysfunction. This is generally a hard and fast rule.

We condemn Islam for making thieves one handed citizens and yet you never hear about flash mob theft in an Islamic country.

Islam for all of its intrinsic viciousness recognizes human nature in ways the western civilizations never will.

So while we pride ourselves on civility the criminal element counts on societal support for their criminality. They can't be reformed....they have to be made to realize that they cannot survive unless they change. Only this will create change.

Derek Chauvin is a perfect example of how the new rules have failed us.

Jo

Derek Chauvin kneeled on a man’s neck for 9 minutes, long after he he stopped struggling and was subdued, long after he stopped people and people were begging to stop.

We do not need that kind of person in the police nor do the police need that kind of person in their ranks. He’s the wrong person to rally around.

 

[Coyote]

You have a point.

White people don't usually complain when the cops off our mentally ill, habitual drug users, and career criminals. We're usually glad to be rid of them.

Because these people, no matter what color they are, are a menace to society.

But there are race pimps like Sharpton, Jackson, and BLM who are happy to take a piece of human excrement like George Floyd and turn him into a martyr.

Not a one of them would want him to move in next door. Not a one of them offered to do anything about their drug or mental illness problems when they were alive.

Mentally ill people have rights too. Everyone does.

 

[Coyote]

Theft is also violence. Enforcement is not brutality.
It may be brutal by nature but then again so are the offenders. Removing a thief's hand remains the most effective method of deterrence to date. Human nature.

As more states pass open carry laws .....yes violent crime will shrink.

So is stoning adulterers, drawing and quartering, boiling in oil…


Of course it is unconstitutional.

 

[JoeB131]

Mentally ill people have rights too. Everyone does.

Sure they do. That's kind of the problem.

YOu see, it used to be before idiot liberals (and yes, I will criticize liberals when they deserve it) started mucking it up; we confined the mentally ill to mental hospitals if they were incapable of taking care of themselves and their families couldn't handle them. Not much was done to cure them, but they were kept on medication, given shelter and food, and were prevented from being a danger to themselves or others.

Then the morons decided, "THAT'S A VIOLATION OF THEIR RIGHTS". And I remember the change in the late 70s when the mental hospitals closed down, and my otherwise nice Chicago neighborhood suddenly had a swarm of homeless people all living along 63rd street. They set up shop close to the liquor store, panhandled until they got enough money to buy a bottle of Mad Dog 20/20, and self-medicated into oblivion. Of course, it also meant you couldn't send your kids to the store anymore or use the laundromat because they were using it as a warming shelter on cold days.

Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.

And here's the thing. the cops execute 40 million traffic stops a year and 10 million arrests. Most of the time, they get it right, and no one dies. 1000 times a year, deadly force has to be used. Most of those are found to be justified because the perp (again, often mentally ill or drug addicted) pulled out a gun or a knife. A few times, a cop overreacts or uses excessive force. Maybe it was because he was a bad apple like Chauvin or Van Dyke. More often, a situation just got out of their control and someone died, and the local race pimps are happy to exploit it.

Now, all that said, I think we do need better training and police reform. We need more social workers to deal with this self-inflicted wound. We should invest more into rehab programs.

 

[justoffal]

Sure they do. That's kind of the problem.

YOu see, it used to be before idiot liberals (and yes, I will criticize liberals when they deserve it) started mucking it up; we confined the mentally ill to mental hospitals if they were incapable of taking care of themselves and their families couldn't handle them. Not much was done to cure them, but they were kept on medication, given shelter and food, and were prevented from being a danger to themselves or others.

Then the morons decided, "THAT'S A VIOLATION OF THEIR RIGHTS". And I remember the change in the late 70s when the mental hospitals closed down, and my otherwise nice Chicago neighborhood suddenly had a swarm of homeless people all living along 63rd street. They set up shop close to the liquor store, panhandled until they got enough money to buy a bottle of Mad Dog 20/20, and self-medicated into oblivion. Of course, it also meant you couldn't send your kids to the store anymore or use the laundromat because they were using it as a warming shelter on cold days.

Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.

And here's the thing. the cops execute 40 million traffic stops a year and 10 million arrests. Most of the time, they get it right, and no one dies. 1000 times a year, deadly force has to be used. Most of those are found to be justified because the perp (again, often mentally ill or drug addicted) pulled out a gun or a knife. A few times, a cop overreacts or uses excessive force. Maybe it was because he was a bad apple like Chauvin or Van Dyke. More often, a situation just got out of their control and someone died, and the local race pimps are happy to exploit it.

Now, all that said, I think we do need better training and police reform. We need more social workers to deal with this self-inflicted wound. We should invest more into rehab programs.

I'm glad to see that the problem of the mentally ill is not lost on everyone. I remember just like yesterday when that asshole Weld closed down the hospitals here in Massachusetts several of them were in the top ten oldest in the nation. Worcester and Westboro specifically. Immediately the streets filled up with approximately 3500 homeless mentally ill patients most of whom simply traded a room with the state for a jail cell with the county. You nailed this issue....

Jo

 

[justoffal]

Grab a clue. True story:

Ok.....first time I'm hearing about the flashlight....I don't like it.

Still...you should know that prior acts usually don't have a bearing on current ones. Plea deals only mean to don't want to gamble.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

Yep....when you prosecute officers for doing their jobs you will get less job and more of what it is they're supposed to be stopping. The new, more polite and less aggressive policies don't work. People are people...not automatons that follow lines from some psychology book.

Humans are rather ugly creatures. Not only do they have the full range of animal instincts they also dangerously have enough intelligence to figure out how to apply those instincts against all social norms for their own benefit. Give them more room for their dysfunction and That is exactly what you will get, more of the dysfunction. This is generally a hard and fast rule.

We condemn Islam for making thieves one handed citizens and yet you never hear about flash mob theft in an Islamic country.

Islam for all of its intrinsic viciousness recognizes human nature in ways the western civilizations never will.

So while we pride ourselves on civility the criminal element counts on societal support for their criminality. They can't be reformed....they have to be made to realize that they cannot survive unless they change. Only this will create change.

Derek Chauvin is a perfect example of how the new rules have failed us.

Jo

couple that with radical BLM mayors in cities across America and you have a disaster. That’s part of why we do have these flash mobs that don’t exist in other countries as you point out. Not just some of the Muslim countries, but also Buddhist countries. And even in some of the countries in south east Asia where there can be poverty there is not flash mob looting. That’s an American phenomenon. It’s an embarrassment to America.

American malls are filled with graffiti and filth …. Same with our transit systems. Again, it is not like this in the Muslim and Buddhist majority societies. This is where I also give some credit to Eastern European Christian majority countries where they have some semblance of masculinity and traditions, they don’t have the types of mass mob looting that we do in America.

The people who scream racism in response to what you or I say are also a part of the problem. They’re never here to have an honest conversation just to call people racist and omit historical facts ie That slavery was always a worldwide issue. Not just an American one.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

It's a no-brainer why law enforcement recruitment numbers are in the shitter .. why would any sane individual want to be in law enforcement given the lack of support from local, state and federal leaders, the level of liability in policing and becoming the next national news story?

God bless the black-and-white police officers, Of America. Imagine what it’s like for them. The constant filth and degradation that they have to see on the media how the media lies about how American police conduct themselves.

We live in a country where gangbangers and drug dealers have some of the most sophisticated weapons on the planet. And cops have to deal with these people all the time. They have to deal with a crowd of BLM people screaming at them while doing an investigation. And some stupid white person who supports the BLM narrative while sitting on the sidelines complaining about cops in America.


BLM supporters and those with a propaganda narrative that America has an evil history dont Know or care what cops have to go through.

when a police officer approaches a suspect, they don’t know if they have a gun. And yet these stupid white people who are Biden supporters who support BLM acts as if none of this exists, as if a police officer is supposed to be weak and easily capable of being shot by a drug dealer or a criminal.

Curried Goats Superbadbrutha yeah, you guys are right that there are some stupid feminist white people who support BLM, and who have no regard for the black-and-white police officers in America.

We have one of the best police forces in the entire world.

But the media and Hollywood in the USA make it out as if police officers go round on trucks burning crosses in black peoples lawns. None of that exists today. Even the cases involving police where a suspect ends up dead that have caused riots in America ..often the police officer is totally innocent and following proper conduct. It is a shame what the media and Hollywood is doing to the USA. But most American people admire the police.

The media and Hollywood have a lot of power, but they don’t represent the Will of the average American. They have brainwashed the small segment of Americans who have a propaganda view of history. They always complain about how minorities are treated in America but they never talk about how other countries of the world conducted themselves.

 

[Coyote]

Sure they do. That's kind of the problem.

YOu see, it used to be before idiot liberals (and yes, I will criticize liberals when they deserve it) started mucking it up; we confined the mentally ill to mental hospitals if they were incapable of taking care of themselves and their families couldn't handle them. Not much was done to cure them, but they were kept on medication, given shelter and food, and were prevented from being a danger to themselves or others.

There is a lot of room between two extremes.

Then the morons decided, "THAT'S A VIOLATION OF THEIR RIGHTS". And I remember the change in the late 70s when the mental hospitals closed down, and my otherwise nice Chicago neighborhood suddenly had a swarm of homeless people all living along 63rd street. They set up shop close to the liquor store, panhandled until they got enough money to buy a bottle of Mad Dog 20/20, and self-medicated into oblivion. Of course, it also meant you couldn't send your kids to the store anymore or use the laundromat because they were using it as a warming shelter on cold days

Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.

That is a complex situation, but in no way should it deprive them of basic rights.

Mental hospitals were often horrible places and the people confined were not even always mentally. They were used to get rid troublesome people, remove them from the public eye, as much as for genuine mental illness. Inmates were deprived of pretty much all rights despite committing no crime. There were few effective psychiatric medications, many were drugged into oblivion to keep them easy to manage whether or not they needed. Frankly that is not a thing of past, it still happens in nursing homes for example because regulations are so weak and any attempt to strengthen them is fought by powerful lobbies representing commercial interests.

That said, I agree with you on the horrible way deinstitution was done. In many states they were closed down with little or no attention or funding for community resources to take up the slack and little thought to how people who‘s lived the majority of the majority of their lives in an institutional setting. NC was probably a typical example…by closing these institutions, it would save money and the savings would be used to build up community resources for the mentally ill. Never happened. The money got spent elsewhere and now it is extremely hard to get peope the help they need.

Homeless is a chronic problem. It is nothing new. Forceably incarcerating people who are not a danger is not the answer.

However, are a country based, in theory, on equal rights and protections for all, even the most despicable of us. George Floyd was certainly not a stellar citizen but he didn’t deserve to be killed by a cop long after he was subdued.

And here's the thing. the cops execute 40 million traffic stops a year and 10 million arrests. Most of the time, they get it right, and no one dies. 1000 times a year, deadly force has to be used. Most of those are found to be justified because the perp (again, often mentally ill or drug addicted) pulled out a gun or a knife. A few times, a cop overreacts or uses excessive force. Maybe it was because he was a bad apple like Chauvin or Van Dyke. More often, a situation just got out of their control and someone died, and the local race pimps are happy to exploit it.

And to some extent, I agree, but when people justify or defend defend bad apples, keeping them in the job it gives the entire force a bad name.

Now, all that said, I think we do need better training and police reform. We need more social workers to deal with this self-inflicted wound. We should invest more into rehab programs.

Totally agree!

 

[Coyote]

The facts from the DOJ say so.

Rightwing echo chambers are drilling it into people's heads that violent crime is escalating even though it is way down and of course it's fodder for the racists

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

Nonsense. The problem with your theory is obvious. Chauvin was responsible for the death, and for there to be balance, the authority must be equal to the responsibility.

Chauvin was in a manner of speaking thrown to the wolves, but not to placate the left. The protests did not end with his arrest. Chauvin was thrown to the wolves to placate the suburban white folks. The majority who support the police most often.

Let’s be honest. Chauvin had a long history of violating rules. Including policies on use of force. Several of the complaints were upheld, in other words he did it and it was wrong.

The problem was that the Department didn’t really get serious regarding correcting this behavior. They slapped his wrist while patting him on the back. The training that he attended was probably run the same way. Boring check the block events for bullshit rules.

What Chauvin didn’t expect was that those policies and rules would one day bite him in the ass. And the bite wouldn’t be that of a mosquito, but an Alligator.

The same supervisors who ignored and downplayed Chauvin’s previous misbehavior were the first ones to run in front of the camera and declare they were sucked and shocked by this. They want to stress that his actions are not in keeping with the values of the department or rest of the officers.

Chauvin never imagined that those rules would be enforced like that.

So who is really at fault? The supervisors who downplayed all the previous incidents. The training officer who told him that the book answer was bullshit, but you had to write it down like it was the gospel when writing your report. Use the key words and code phrases. The trainers who taught the classes like it was check the block bullshit. The other officers who didn’t pull Chauvin off of Floyd. Finally. Chauvin himself because if you are going to flaunt the rules, you can’t be surprised when it bites you in the ass.

Chauvin knew how to do the job by the book, and decided to do what he thought was right. Damn the book. Well someone was damned all right.

IM2 Hellbilly Fort Fun Indiana first of all, you folks owe the world a reasoning as to why you never talk about the violent history of George Floyd. What about that young pregnant woman who had a gun held to her stomach by Floyd. And perhaps the countless number of people who have been beating up to a pulp by Floyd. I mean, what world are you folks living in?

You’re not going by the fax or recognizing that a country we have today has BLM influenced people on juries. And that there are cops and people in power across the country who are afraid of a small violent mob of BLM rioters. Chauvin was innocent.



The show in the documentary above support the view that shine is innocent. And it is incumbent on you and every BLM supporter in this thread to watch that video. If not, you’re simply living in ignorance, and supporting evil the prostitution of an innocent man.

Perhaps you’re not evil but your reasoning, along with that of all the other pro and posters is evil.

You folks should understand that police officers have to deal with violent criminals. This is America, a country where drug dealers and thugs carry around guns all the time. Pls respect that.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

IM2 Hellbilly Fort Fun Indiana you never talk about poor white people. You never talk about Africans who owned white slaves. You folks are supporting BLM feminist policy in this country. And that is leading to the destruction of so many young black and white kids across this country. …the politicians you support are presiding over one of the worst economies in American history. And their type of radical BLM policies has been flooding American cities for decades now. The politicians you support many of them don’t care about minorities they simply are saying what they are saying to gain money and power through the media and Hollywood.

Fort Fun Indiana IM2 SavannahMann it is evident that most Americans do not agree with you types of people. But the powerful media and Hollywood does. And they do not have the interests of the American people.

The politicians and policies you folks support has led to mass school shootings, a rise in divorce rates, and single mother headed households, flash mob looting , blm riots , The degradation of inner cities. And an economy where the price of an average home has doubled under Joe Biden Compared to Trump.

 

[Coyote]

I'm glad to see that the problem of the mentally ill is not lost on everyone. I remember just like yesterday when that asshole Weld closed down the hospitals here in Massachusetts several of them were in the top ten oldest in the nation. Worcester and Westboro specifically. Immediately the streets filled up with approximately 3500 homeless mentally ill patients most of whom simply traded a room with the state for a jail cell with the county. You nailed this issue....

Jo

They totally screwed upon how it was done and then states cut budgets and never invested in support services outside the institutions. They used the money saved from closing hospitals elsewhere.

 

[Coyote]

Appreciate the cerebral effort here....good arguments....but I'm going to disagree on final responsibility. Kneeling has been going on for the past 5 decades at least. Pretty common in arrests. True story.

When I was a young man I was an active power lifter. I usually kept my nose clean but one day I went a little bit nuts ( alcohol) and the local constabulary got involved. It took four them. I distinctly remember one officer kneeling on the right upper arm and one on the left. They had no choice really. It was very effective. Eventually I was controlled and faced my day in court.

Over the years I have seen it repeatedly. I realize that Chauvin was told not to use it. OK...
so fire him. But Jail? No way....
Floyd's life was in his own hands the moment he decided to resist. You can't cripple law enforcement and still expect results that matter.

Chauvin wasn't kneeling on Floyd's arms though.

 

[Coyote]

IM2 Hellbilly Fort Fun Indiana first of all, you folks owe the world a reasoning as to why you never talk about the violent history of George Floyd. What about that young pregnant woman who had a gun held to her stomach by Floyd. And perhaps the countless number of people who have been beating up to a pulp by Floyd. I mean, what world are you folks living in?

You’re not going by the fax or recognizing that a country we have today has BLM influenced people on juries. And that there are cops and people in power across the country who are afraid of a small violent mob of BLM rioters. Chauvin was innocent.



The show in the documentary above support the view that shine is innocent. And it is incumbent on you and every BLM supporter in this thread to watch that video. If not, you’re simply living in ignorance, and supporting evil the prostitution of an innocent man.

Perhaps you’re not evil but your reasoning, along with that of all the other pro and posters is evil.

You folks should understand that police officers have to deal with violent criminals. This is America, a country where drug dealers and thugs carry around guns all the time. Pls respect that.

Floyd's violent history is an issue for the courts and juries and justice system. None of what you are saying changes the fact that Floyd was already subdued when Chauvin killed him. No one appointed a rogue cop judge, jury and executioner.

 

[IM2]

I get real tired of reading whites talking about race pimps. This is the ultimate in irony. Whites are the original race pimps and WHITE IS A FNG RACE! So each time Trump stands up in front of a crowd talking about illegal immigrants, his ass is race pimping. And how long have white race pimped? Since the beginning of thIs country. Whites race pimped themselves into believing equal opportunity policies discriminate against whites. Whites have race pimped themselves to believe in a phantom anti white racism. Whiites race pimped themselves into opposing things like the accurate teaching of history, CRT and DEI. Whites race pimped themselves to make BLM equivalent to the KKK. So let's not talk about race pimps only when non whites have legitimate grievances that whites do not like hearing. Talk about white race pimps like Limbaugh, the college flunk out who left the world 800 million dollars richer after race pimping whites for more than 3 decades. Talk about white race pimps like the prime time line up at Fox news or almost every right wing media source. Talk about white race pimps like Elon Musk, who changed twitter into a haven for white race pimps and white race hustlers.

There is no defense for a wrongful killing by police no matter how many times they supposedly get it right.

Jordan Woods did a 10-year study of police stops, and it is considered one of the most in-depth studies on this issue. The findings were published in 2019 and are available at the Michigan Law Review repository website. Here are his words:

"To summarize, the findings do not support the dominant danger narrative surrounding routine traffic stops. Based on a conservative estimate, I found that the rate for a felonious killing of an officer during a routine traffic stop for a traffic violation was only 1 in every 6.5 million stops. The rate for an assault that results in serious injury to an officer was only 1 in every 361,111 stops. Finally, the rate for an assault (whether it results in officer injury or not) was only 1 in every 6,959 stops. Less conservative estimates suggest that these rates may be much lower. In addition, the vast majority (over 98%) of the evaluated cases in the study resulted in no or minor injuries to the officers. Further, only a very small percentage of cases (about 3%) involved violence against officers in which a gun or knife was used or found at the scene, and the overwhelming majority of those cases resulted in no or minor injuries to an officer. Less than 1% of the evaluated cases involved guns or knives and resulted in serious injury to or the felonious killing of an officer."

The findings speak for themselves. The actual threat level to police appears to be less than the authority to kill police are given.

Jordan B. Woods, Policing, Danger Narratives, and Routine Traffic Stops, 117 MICH. L. REV. 635 (2019).
"Policing, Danger Narratives, and Routine Traffic Stops" by Jordan Blair Woods

Where are the good cops? The 2019 Global Burden of Diseases, Injuries, and Risk Factors Study published in The Lancet estimated that from 1980-2018, a span of 38 years, that police in the United States killed 30,800 people. During the same period, the study estimated that police killed 293,000 people worldwide. The study found that despite the U.S. having only 4 percent of the global population, American law enforcement was responsible for more than 13 percent of all police killings on planet earth. The per capita people miss this one.

"The burden of police violence fatalities in the USA is known to fall disproportionately on Black, Indigenous, and Hispanic populations. Recent studies suggest that over the life course, about one in every 1000 Black men are killed by the police in the USA, making them 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police than White men. Black women are about 1.4 times more likely to be killed by police than are White women. Systemic and direct racism, manifested in laws and policies as well as personal implicit biases, result in Black, Indigenous, and Hispanic Americans being the targets of police violence."

GBD 2019 Police Violence US Subnational Collaborators, Fatal police violence by race and state in the USA, 1980–2019: a network meta-regression, The Lancet , VOLUME 398, ISSUE 10307, P1239-1255, OCTOBER 02, 2021, https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01609-3/fulltext

In 2006, the FBI warned America about the infiltration of white supremacists into police departments. The supremacists could do so by using people hiding their affiliation with white supremacist groups who apply for jobs in police departments. They are known as ghost skins. A ghost skin is a white supremacist who hides his/her beliefs to blend into society. These ghost skins operate in every occupation in American society, such is why claims of racism being in the past remain untrue. Even worse is that police are now volunteering to help white supremacists.

“Although white supremacist groups have historically engaged in strategic efforts to infiltrate and recruit from law enforcement communities, current reporting on attempts reflects self-initiated efforts by individuals, particularly among those already within law enforcement ranks, to volunteer their professional resources to white supremacist causes with which they sympathize.”

Alice Speri, The FBI Has Quietly Investigated White Supremacist Infiltration Of Law Enforcement, The Intercept, January 31 2017, The FBI Has Quietly Investigated White Supremacist Infiltration of Law Enforcement

Michael German, Hidden in Plain Sight: Racism, White Supremacy, and Far-Right Militancy in Law Enforcement, August 27, 2020, Brennan Center for Justice, Hidden in Plain Sight: Racism, White Supremacy, and Far-Right Militancy in Law Enforcement

Vanessa Romo, Ghost Skins' And Masculinity: Alt-Right Terms, Defined, NPR, September 6, 2017, https://www.npr.org/2017/09/06/548858850/-ghost-skins-and-masculinity-alt-right-terms-defined

Federal Bureau of Investigation, “White Supremacist Infiltration of Law Enforcement,” October 17, 2006, pg.3, https://oversight.house.gov/sites/d...premacist_Infiltration_of_Law_Enforcement.pdf

On July 17, 2016, Annalisa Merelli wrote an article on the quartz.com website titled, “More black people were killed by US police in 2015 than were lynched in the worst year of Jim Crow.” The title speaks for itself. Take a look at some of the facts she presents:

“According to the historic record “Lynchings, white and negroes” kept by Alabama’s Tuskegee University, a total of 2,911 black Americans were lynched between 1890 and 1965, when the so-called Jim Crow laws were enforced. Beginning in the 1890s, these racist laws segregated black Americans in several states until about 1965. During this time, black Americans were often victims of unspeakable violence, and infamous extrajudicial lynchings.”

“On an average, 39 black people were lynched per year under Jim Crow. In 1892, the worst year, 161 black Americans were lynched.”

“More than a century later, the numbers have hardly improved. In 2015, 258 black people were killed by US police, representing over 26% of deaths.”

“For 2016, the trend seems similar. As of July 7, US police have shot dead 509 people this year, of whom 123 were black.”

“Even counting only the deaths of black people who were unarmed, the results are staggering. A conservative count puts that death toll at 38, right in line with the average during Jim Crow.”

Annalisa Merelli, More black people were killed by US police in 2015 than were lynched in the worst year of Jim Crow, July 7, 2016, More black people were killed by US police in 2015 than were lynched in the worst year of Jim Crow

The quote below is written by members of the National Conference of Black Lawyers, the International Association of Democratic Lawyers, and the National Lawyers Guild as part of the Report of the International Commission of Inquiry on Systemic Racist Police Violence against People of African Descent in the U.S., on page 16:

"The Commissioners find a prima facie case of Crimes against Humanity warranting an investigation by the International Criminal Court (ICC). The crimes under the Rome Statute include: Murder, Severe Deprivation of Physical Liberty, Torture, Persecution of people of African descent, and other Inhumane Acts, which occurred in the context of a widespread or systematic attack directed against the civilian population of Black people in the U.S."

National Conference of Black Lawyers, the International Association of Democratic Lawyers, and the National Lawyers Guild, Report of the International Commission of Inquiry on Systemic Racist Police Violence against People of African Descent in the U.S. pg. 16, https://inquirycommission.org/website/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Commission-Report-15-April.pdf

Nobody black is race pimping when we talk about police beatings and killings of black people.

 

[IM2]

Floyd's violent history is an issue for the courts and juries and justice system. None of what you are saying changes the fact that Floyd was already subdued when Chauvin killed him. No one appointed a rogue cop judge, jury and executioner.

Here is Floyds criminal history. His last case in front of the court was 13 years before he was murdered.

"Court documents show that Floyd was arrested nine times for charges including four charges of drug possession and distribution, two theft charges, one illegal trespass, one charge of failure to identify to a police officer and one aggravated robbery."

A post exaggerates George Floyd’s criminal history

As memorials to George Floyd are being erected in American cities, so too are social media claims surrounding his past,

www.politifact.com

 

[SavannahMann]

IM2 Hellbilly Fort Fun Indiana first of all, you folks owe the world a reasoning as to why you never talk about the violent history of George Floyd. What about that young pregnant woman who had a gun held to her stomach by Floyd. And perhaps the countless number of people who have been beating up to a pulp by Floyd. I mean, what world are you folks living in?

You’re not going by the fax or recognizing that a country we have today has BLM influenced people on juries. And that there are cops and people in power across the country who are afraid of a small violent mob of BLM rioters. Chauvin was innocent.



The show in the documentary above support the view that shine is innocent. And it is incumbent on you and every BLM supporter in this thread to watch that video. If not, you’re simply living in ignorance, and supporting evil the prostitution of an innocent man.

Perhaps you’re not evil but your reasoning, along with that of all the other pro and posters is evil.

You folks should understand that police officers have to deal with violent criminals. This is America, a country where drug dealers and thugs carry around guns all the time. Pls respect that.

So laws no longer matter. I say that because I know in Georgia, and in other states, the laws are pretty specific on it. You can’t claim that the bad guy you just shot, hadn’t done anything to you at this time, but you knew he was a bad guy because of what he did ten years ago.

I am reminded of the movie Naked Gun 2 1/2. Where Frank Drebbin is being honored for his 1,000th drug dealer killed. Frank stands up, and says to be honest, he backed over the last one with his car, but fortunately he turned out to be a drug dealer.

The use of force laws are pretty specific. They allow you to use the force needed at this time. Not from something a day ago, a week ago, or whatever. It has to be correct to the circumstances you are in now. That was the flaw with the arguments for the McMichael’s here in Georgia. Even if Arbury had stopped running and the cops had shown up, the McMichaels would have gone to jail for Aggravated Assault and Kidnapping under Georgia Law. Arbury had done nothing to warrant their actions, nothing he did justified their actions. You can’t just think he’s a bad guy, you have to have a reason to do something now.

The same is true of the events on that fateful day. Chauvin violated policy, broke training, and had no viable excuse for his actions. None. So by law, the fair and equitable application of law, Chauvin was wrong.

As I mentioned in a follow-up to that quoted response. The hold was authorized to allow police to get a suspect restrained. Ok. I can see that. I can even agree with it. However, the hold was not authorized beyond that, and Floyd was restrained before Chauvin got there. So going to the hold in the first place was a problem.

But it gets worse. Even if you argue that Chauvin was justified in pinning Floyd to the ground, when Floyd agreed to get in the car, Chauvin still didn’t get off of him. He stayed there. When Floyd reported he was having trouble breathing, Chauvin who was told that this hold could restrict airflow and care must be used to insure that the person can breath, stayed in position, continuing the hold.

Every step of the way, Chauvin was given the opportunity to stop breaking the law himself, and every step of the way he decided to continue.

When Floyd lost consciousness. Even if you argue that Floyd had been combative, it is difficult to argue that an unconscious man is a danger or fighting the cops. When they couldn’t find a pulse, the book said to roll the guy over and help establish an airway. Floyd wasn’t moved. Chauvin kept up with the kneeling.

So we have to create a new law to satisfy you my friend. One that says I get to do whatever I want if I can prove the bad guy was a bad guy. So if I shoot a person who was a January 6th Protestor, I just say I knew he was an Insurgent, and he was an intolerable threat right? That would be legal in your world right? We can’t talk about my actions, we have to discuss the terrible things this guy did don’t we?

The problem isn’t with the law. The problem isn’t with the way the law was applied. The problem is that the cops saw change coming and refused to really adapt to the change. They continued using the magic words, perfecting their ability to say what they were supposed to on the stand.

The supervisors were not serious about the new standards. They didn’t insist that the officers take those standards seriously. When faced with violations of the policies, they didn’t do anything but the bare minimum to cover their own asses, letting the street cops continue to play fast and loose and take all the risk.

Chauvin was too stupid to be a cop. He wasn’t smart enough to realize that the world had changed. He was too stubborn and proud to listen when the trainers of the classes he was forced to attend told him what the rules were. He was too stupid to think it through. It was a matter of time before he found himself in serious trouble, and it was his fault, and the fault of the superiors who covered up for him for many years.

Placing Chauvin on a pedestal is just as dumb. The cops are worried and not doing things they should be? Well who can blame them. The supervisors and those in charge aren’t taking any of the blame. They aren’t telling their subordinates what is really happening, and what was really happening. The cops are left to figure it out for themselves.

We’ve seen this before, many times. And not just with cops. We saw it at Abu Gharib. The officers told the enlisted to do what the CIA dolt told them to. And none of the Soldiers really listened when the laws of land warfare were explained. They didn’t listen when the regulations were explained. They sat and daydreamed. So when they got instructions, they did it. Not understanding that the CIA guy had no authority over the soldiers. He had no authority to give the soldiers orders, instructions, or recommendations. Only the chain of command can issue orders, and the CIA isn’t in it.

The soldiers went to prison for their actions. The CIA agent vanished from public view. The Officers were flagged and essentially career killed, because they didn’t do their jobs of supervising the soldiers and being aware of what was going on.

Yeah, a couple soldiers went to prison for their crimes. They earned that, even if it was unfair. But at least the Army took token action against the superiors who weren’t doing their jobs. That’s something the Police Department didn’t do.

Chauvin got the penalty he earned. The superiors should have gotten something too. Because they covered up for his misbehavior for years.