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If you don't have the right to work, you will NEVER achieve what you are capable of. Being an unwilling member of a bully union might give you temporary and totally unearned financial advantage, but no person with even the slightest amount of self-respect can be happy about advantages that were given to him by a union, of which he is a dues-paying slave.
I made a strong and successful effort to get out of the union which I was forced to join. If I had stayed in the union, I would have retired as a poorly paid laborer, instead of getting the opportunity to become a successful and self-taught computer programmer. I would have never had the pleasure of crossing picket lines and work for the company that put bread and butter on my table, rather than wasting my time walking the picket line for the bastards whose main ambition was to sabotage the company in order to make a phony stand, chasing a raise in pay, which would never catch up with the loss of wages caused by an insane strike.
If you want to see the accomplishments of unions, look at Detroit. Or in the same state, the union that is fighting to give a teacher, a child molesting member, a $10,000 severance pay.
Before Unions, children were going down into the mines for 60 hours a week and women were jumping out of burning factories.
Your children may not have the opportunity, with outsourcing, to become successul computer programmers.
I do not denigrate you for your choices but I don't think you should denigrate others for their choice to join a labor union.
If you really want to evaluate the worth of unions, you need to compare countries with strong union movements with those without union movements, like most, i not all, of the third world countries.
If you really want to evaluate the worth of unions, you need to compare countries with strong union movements today with what they were like before they became countries with unions.
I wonder how much a computer programmer in Pakistan makes.
I have no problem with private sector unions.
But public sector unions should be illegal.
Even FDR recognized that simple fact.
I have no problem with private sector unions.
But public sector unions should be illegal.
Even FDR recognized that simple fact.
FDR was wrong on that point.
Public Sector unions are needed for the same reason that private sector ones are... to collectively bargain working conditions and advocate when individual members are being abused.
Otherwise, you just have the situation where the mayor's idiot cousin is put in charge of your office and starts grabbing ass.
I have no problem with private sector unions.
But public sector unions should be illegal.
Even FDR recognized that simple fact.
FDR was wrong on that point.
Public Sector unions are needed for the same reason that private sector ones are... to collectively bargain working conditions and advocate when individual members are being abused.
Otherwise, you just have the situation where the mayor's idiot cousin is put in charge of your office and starts grabbing ass.
WRONG!!
In the private sector there is COMPETITION. A company that is struck by a union can defy union and see customers flock to another company.
I have no problem with private sector unions.
But public sector unions should be illegal.
Even FDR recognized that simple fact.
FDR was wrong on that point.
Public Sector unions are needed for the same reason that private sector ones are... to collectively bargain working conditions and advocate when individual members are being abused.
Otherwise, you just have the situation where the mayor's idiot cousin is put in charge of your office and starts grabbing ass.
I have no problem with private sector unions.
But public sector unions should be illegal.
Even FDR recognized that simple fact.
FDR was wrong on that point.
Public Sector unions are needed for the same reason that private sector ones are... to collectively bargain working conditions and advocate when individual members are being abused.
Otherwise, you just have the situation where the mayor's idiot cousin is put in charge of your office and starts grabbing ass.
Safety is seldom if ever part of what is bargained for during contract negotiations. There are laws against sexual harassment, again you seem not to know the function of unions. What the unions would have to do in your situation is defend the idiot cousin.
FDR was wrong on that point.
Public Sector unions are needed for the same reason that private sector ones are... to collectively bargain working conditions and advocate when individual members are being abused.
Otherwise, you just have the situation where the mayor's idiot cousin is put in charge of your office and starts grabbing ass.
WRONG!!
In the private sector there is COMPETITION. A company that is struck by a union can defy union and see customers flock to another company.
That made not a lick of sense.
The purpose of a union is not for the customer/client/user, it's for the worker.
And just like the union in the factory needs to be there to make sure those MSDS sheets are filled out, it also needs to be in the firehouse to make sure that proper safety equipment is paid for.
It is far left propaganda because it misrepresents what really happened.Far left propaganda.
Far right embarrassing idiocy
Why would they call something Scott Walker not only did, but is very proud of "Far left propaganda"? Doesn't make any sense.
I worked in a Union once. At a shipyard in the South. Quite frankly it was a joke. You had to join to get the job.............Pay dues to the Union to be employed..........They bragged at how they made working conditions better at the job site. As I watched people getting sent to hospitals working in these great conditions practically every day.
Union safety men would walk around and enforce safety. Ear plugs, safety glasses, steel toed boots or you get wrote up. Which is pretty standard in industry. Nothing more and nothing less. But you could be working on a live electrical panel, STANDING IN WATER because they hadn't pumped it out, and they wouldn't do a damn thing about it. Or working in 120 degree compartments with virtually no ventillation.............When you asked about that, they'd say be careful..............Complete joke.................
Working in one compartment that was behind schedule. Reported 90% complete, but only about 20% done. We needed some paint to paint our welds to put in electrical wire ways. We turned in the necessary paper work to put paint on the studs...........day after day not paint after repeated requests.................So we grabbed a small amount of paint and painted the dang things ourselves...........Next thing we know Union Stewards show up threatening to give us 3 day layoffs for daring to paint the studs...............I basically told them to go .........themselves.......Told them if they'd have gotten off their lazy asses and spent 20 minutes painting the welds we wouldn't have done it for them...........I also told them to shove their layoff threats up their ass..............
Nothing done in the end.........But I left and went on to better things.............
Personal story...........Of a Union that wasn't worth jack squat.
My opinion is, bad management. Managed correctly Unions can be used to universally control the masses. Be a jerk supervisor and allow what you describe happen, that is no fault but the Supervisor. The union guy wants to keep the painter's job the steward does not assign work, in most places. And if they operate like you describe then they certainly will go out of business.
FDR was wrong on that point.
Public Sector unions are needed for the same reason that private sector ones are... to collectively bargain working conditions and advocate when individual members are being abused.
Otherwise, you just have the situation where the mayor's idiot cousin is put in charge of your office and starts grabbing ass.
Safety is seldom if ever part of what is bargained for during contract negotiations. There are laws against sexual harassment, again you seem not to know the function of unions. What the unions would have to do in your situation is defend the idiot cousin.
In that situation, the idiot cousin is management, no, no, not so much.
Again, I've see co-workers fired for being gay, co-workers fired for being pregnant, and I myself was fired because I ran up too many medical bills.
We really do need unions, because frankly, bosses are human with all their human foibles.
Now, here's the thing. I agree, the OTHER extreme, where you can't fire someone because the union will fight you tooth and nail no matter what he's been caught doing, is also bad.
I worked in a Union once. At a shipyard in the South. Quite frankly it was a joke. You had to join to get the job.............Pay dues to the Union to be employed..........They bragged at how they made working conditions better at the job site. As I watched people getting sent to hospitals working in these great conditions practically every day.
Union safety men would walk around and enforce safety. Ear plugs, safety glasses, steel toed boots or you get wrote up. Which is pretty standard in industry. Nothing more and nothing less. But you could be working on a live electrical panel, STANDING IN WATER because they hadn't pumped it out, and they wouldn't do a damn thing about it. Or working in 120 degree compartments with virtually no ventillation.............When you asked about that, they'd say be careful..............Complete joke.................
Working in one compartment that was behind schedule. Reported 90% complete, but only about 20% done. We needed some paint to paint our welds to put in electrical wire ways. We turned in the necessary paper work to put paint on the studs...........day after day not paint after repeated requests.................So we grabbed a small amount of paint and painted the dang things ourselves...........Next thing we know Union Stewards show up threatening to give us 3 day layoffs for daring to paint the studs...............I basically told them to go .........themselves.......Told them if they'd have gotten off their lazy asses and spent 20 minutes painting the welds we wouldn't have done it for them...........I also told them to shove their layoff threats up their ass..............
Nothing done in the end.........But I left and went on to better things.............
Personal story...........Of a Union that wasn't worth jack squat.
My opinion is, bad management. Managed correctly Unions can be used to universally control the masses. Be a jerk supervisor and allow what you describe happen, that is no fault but the Supervisor. The union guy wants to keep the painter's job the steward does not assign work, in most places. And if they operate like you describe then they certainly will go out of business.
They build Navy Ships. Gov't pays for it............Or they would have went out of business a long time ago........
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If he is not in the Union then what in the hell was your point? The woman doesn't need, nor would the Union probably get involved, in a harassment lawsuit. The Unions involvement would be to protect the woman, if in the Union, from retaliation.
There are now laws protecting Gays and women. As for you medical bills, not sure why you would have been fired but I am not sure what the Unions could have done to save you. Believe it or not people in Unions still manage to get fired. I do agree though unions do serve a function and are needed in many cases.
My opinion is, bad management. Managed correctly Unions can be used to universally control the masses. Be a jerk supervisor and allow what you describe happen, that is no fault but the Supervisor. The union guy wants to keep the painter's job the steward does not assign work, in most places. And if they operate like you describe then they certainly will go out of business.
They build Navy Ships. Gov't pays for it............Or they would have went out of business a long time ago........
Allowing this to happen is nothing short of stealing off the American people. This is what is wrong with our whole process. It has little to do with Unions, in my opinion. Yes, there are many examples of Unions getting benefits that seem to be excessive but those, in my opinion, are in the minority. NO union, in my opinion, will defend a person who does not do their job, except to the point they are required by law.
Are you surprised? Walker's entire shtick is diminishing the right to organize. Couple that with the unemployment rate in Wisconsin during the time the article specified and less union members should be expected.
I worked in a Union once. At a shipyard in the South. Quite frankly it was a joke. You had to join to get the job.............Pay dues to the Union to be employed..........They bragged at how they made working conditions better at the job site. As I watched people getting sent to hospitals working in these great conditions practically every day.
Union safety men would walk around and enforce safety. Ear plugs, safety glasses, steel toed boots or you get wrote up. Which is pretty standard in industry. Nothing more and nothing less. But you could be working on a live electrical panel, STANDING IN WATER because they hadn't pumped it out, and they wouldn't do a damn thing about it. Or working in 120 degree compartments with virtually no ventillation.............When you asked about that, they'd say be careful..............Complete joke.................
Working in one compartment that was behind schedule. Reported 90% complete, but only about 20% done. We needed some paint to paint our welds to put in electrical wire ways. We turned in the necessary paper work to put paint on the studs...........day after day not paint after repeated requests.................So we grabbed a small amount of paint and painted the dang things ourselves...........Next thing we know Union Stewards show up threatening to give us 3 day layoffs for daring to paint the studs...............I basically told them to go .........themselves.......Told them if they'd have gotten off their lazy asses and spent 20 minutes painting the welds we wouldn't have done it for them...........I also told them to shove their layoff threats up their ass..............
Nothing done in the end.........But I left and went on to better things.............
Personal story...........Of a Union that wasn't worth jack squat.
My opinion is, bad management. Managed correctly Unions can be used to universally control the masses. Be a jerk supervisor and allow what you describe happen, that is no fault but the Supervisor. The union guy wants to keep the painter's job the steward does not assign work, in most places. And if they operate like you describe then they certainly will go out of business.
They build Navy Ships. Gov't pays for it............Or they would have went out of business a long time ago........
I have no problem with private sector unions.
But public sector unions should be illegal.
Even FDR recognized that simple fact.
FDR was wrong on that point.
Public Sector unions are needed for the same reason that private sector ones are... to collectively bargain working conditions and advocate when individual members are being abused.
Otherwise, you just have the situation where the mayor's idiot cousin is put in charge of your office and starts grabbing ass.
If you don't have the right to work, you will NEVER achieve what you are capable of. Being an unwilling member of a bully union might give you temporary and totally unearned financial advantage, but no person with even the slightest amount of self-respect can be happy about advantages that were given to him by a union, of which he is a dues-paying slave.
I made a strong and successful effort to get out of the union which I was forced to join. If I had stayed in the union, I would have retired as a poorly paid laborer, instead of getting the opportunity to become a successful and self-taught computer programmer. I would have never had the pleasure of crossing picket lines and work for the company that put bread and butter on my table, rather than wasting my time walking the picket line for the bastards whose main ambition was to sabotage the company in order to make a phony stand, chasing a raise in pay, which would never catch up with the loss of wages caused by an insane strike.
If you want to see the accomplishments of unions, look at Detroit. Or in the same state, the union that is fighting to give a teacher, a child molesting member, a $10,000 severance pay.
Before Unions, children were going down into the mines for 60 hours a week and women were jumping out of burning factories.
Your children may not have the opportunity, with outsourcing, to become successul computer programmers.
I do not denigrate you for your choices but I don't think you should denigrate others for their choice to join a labor union.
If you really want to evaluate the worth of unions, you need to compare countries with strong union movements with those without union movements, like most, i not all, of the third world countries.
If you really want to evaluate the worth of unions, you need to compare countries with strong union movements today with what they were like before they became countries with unions.
I wonder how much a computer programmer in Pakistan makes.
I have no problem with private sector unions.
But public sector unions should be illegal.
Even FDR recognized that simple fact.
FDR was wrong on that point.
Public Sector unions are needed for the same reason that private sector ones are... to collectively bargain working conditions and advocate when individual members are being abused.
Otherwise, you just have the situation where the mayor's idiot cousin is put in charge of your office and starts grabbing ass.
