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Ho Chi Minh had a long record of devotion to Communism dating back to the 1920s. Unfortunately the U.S. has helped a number of Communist states.Fighting communism may have been a noble cause but what does it have to do with Vietnam? At the end of WWII when Ho Chi Minh asked the US for help to be free of colonization as in our own Declaration of Independence we made the decision to help the French keep their colony.I think you are missing the point. Don't you think fighting Communism, which killed about 94 million people, was a worthy cause? If you are saying war is brutal or that Johnson was a poor strategist I don't disagree, but people who died fighting totalitarian Communism died in a noble cause.I don't see what the problem is except that the Vietnam War Memorial humanizes the dead Americans. It isn't just some statue of a general atop a horse, or some archway, or some abstract piece of art. Each name on that memorial was an actual person, cut down in a war none of them chose to start, and each of whom had dreams, hopes, fears, loved ones left behind, and someone who will mourn their loss forever.
I used to go along with the war is great and glorious and a good time will be had by all mindset when I was much younger, but now I'm at the point where I can see the necessity of war at times, but still think it is stupid and wasteful and should be avoided if at all possible. If it can't be, let the old men and ideologues who want to start wars fight them and let the average Joe just live out his life in peace.
To regent: You better do some research before you talk about European colonies.Did a war over the domino analogy ever have to take place? Could America have extended a helping hand for Vietnam's freedom instead of supporting the colonization practice of the French? Britain recognized that it had to give up many colonies and it seems as if we missed a chance to support our own Declaration philosophy.
So if only America had offered limited government to the world's colonies, today those former colonies would be in our corner.To regent: You better do some research before you talk about European colonies.Did a war over the domino analogy ever have to take place? Could America have extended a helping hand for Vietnam's freedom instead of supporting the colonization practice of the French? Britain recognized that it had to give up many colonies and it seems as if we missed a chance to support our own Declaration philosophy.
You obviously believe that colonies were a great evil; so let me remind you that Soviet Union satellites were nothing more than contiguous colonies. Ditto China’s satellites/colonies.
NOTE: Colonies gaining independence from a foreign power would have been a good thing if they all turned out like America in its first hundred or so years. Unfortunately, independence in the modern world means Communism and Islamic theocracies labeled democracies
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At the end of WWII the State Department was committed to dismantling colonial empires. By the time Eisenhower took office, State Department foreign policy extended to toppling dictators in favor of Muslim extremists. The Shah of Iran was the first casualty; Muammar Gaddifi was more recent. Removing Syria’s Assad is not working out so well.
State Department people implementing disastrous policies were either Communists themselves, or they were so blinded by Communism (useful idiots) they operated on the belief that Communism was better than European empires around the globe. America’s defeat in Vietnam was State Department’s greatest victory. COMMUNISM WON —— WHILE KOREA ENDED IN A DRAW.
Just to set the record straight America sent no troops to fight with the French in Vietnam. Ike did provide some military aid after it was too late. Had the French held Vietnam a transition to independence would have come about gradually. Instead, the result moved every Communist country closer to Communist China than they are to the West.
Note that China was not a colony. Communist China came about through violent revolution as did Communism in Czarist Russia.
State Department’s policy centered on a global government administered by the United Nations. In the beginning there was one Communist country on the UN Security Council, the USSR. Then there were two when Communist China was seated in 1971. Russian Communists are now closer to Communist China than it was when Russia was the USSR.
In every instance, Communist governments should have been exterminated the minute they came to power.
Finally, Democrats always help Communist governments under the guise of calling for democracy, while there is not one movement anywhere in the world that is advocating a limited government similar to the one that made America great. Indeed, Democrats oppose limited government, and they sure as hell do not defend the Constitution. In fact, Democrats are incrementally dismantling the original Bill of Rights as they move the country towards totalitarian Communism.
To regent: It is not America’s responsibility to offer anything to foreign countries, and certainly not democracy which is a mass movement embracing all of the evils Eric Hoffer laid out in The True Believer. America’s founders had no use for democracy. This is the foreign policy that served this country well until the busybodies stuck their goddamned noses into every foreign country’s business:So if only America had offered limited government to the world's colonies, today those former colonies would be in our corner.
True, some of the framers were afraid of democracy, yet some believed, as Madison, that it could be done because faction would cancel faction. Most of the framers also believed that the people had to be behind the new nation, not a king, and so democracy was added to the Constitution: "We the people." States were given the power to allow citizens to vote for the House at least and decide what offices in their states were to be voted on. Democracy gradually became more accepted and today look at the people added to the voter roles since 1789, and we now vote the president's electors and House and Senate. It was the age of enlightenment and we are still working on the enlightenment part. I doubt if Americans would take kindly to America giving up democracy despite all the problems that go with that type of government.To regent: It is not America’s responsibility to offer anything to foreign countries, and certainly not democracy which is a mass movement embracing all of the evils Eric Hoffer laid out in The True Believer. America’s founders had no use for democracy. This is the foreign policy that served this country well until the busybodies stuck their goddamned noses into every foreign country’s business:So if only America had offered limited government to the world's colonies, today those former colonies would be in our corner.
Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1801
To regent: Not true. They correctly distrusted democracy for intellectual reasons. Throughout history democracy has been the parasite’s preferred form of government.True, some of the framers were afraid of democracy,
To regent: You will need a lot help to sell that one. There is no proof, implied or stated, that men who had no use for democracy would begin their constitution with a plug for democracy.democracy was added to the Constitution: "We the people."
To regent: Democracy is a movement being funded by the global government crowd. The Electoral College stands in its way:Democracy gradually became more accepted and today look at the people added to the voter roles since 1789,
One only needs to look at our past and realize the changes that have taken place in our democratic way of life. If you prefer to not look at our history just look at the Constitutional amendments for a clue. Who elects the electors?To regent: Not true. They correctly distrusted democracy for intellectual reasons. Throughout history democracy has been the parasite’s preferred form of government.True, some of the framers were afraid of democracy,
To regent: You will need a lot help to sell that one. There is no proof, implied or stated, that men who had no use for democracy would begin their constitution with a plug for democracy.democracy was added to the Constitution: "We the people."
To regent: Democracy is a movement being funded by the global government crowd. The Electoral College stands in its way:Democracy gradually became more accepted and today look at the people added to the voter roles since 1789,
Article II, Section 1, Clause 3
The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.At the very least learn how it works:
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There was a time when Military memorials featured statues depicting heroic battles or figures that made you feel proud. To me the Korean War monument looks like a lost platoon on the way to the mess hall and the three Soldiers in the Vietnam memorial (I wonder if Christopher Walken modeled for the white guy) leave you wondering if it's raining. Bar none, the Iwo Jima statue is the greatest memorial ever done for any conflict.
To regent: Your democratic way of life means democracy. Democracy is always going towards something worse; never towards liberty. Changing the country from a free people in a Republic, to democracy, to a totalitarian government is nothing to brag about. Note the democracy movement’s incrementalism:One only needs to look at our past and realize the changes that have taken place in our democratic way of life.
To regent: Try this clue.If you prefer to not look at our history just look at the Constitutional amendments for a clue.
To regent: Welfare state parasites in many congressional districts. It will only improve for Americans when American are the only citizens counted in the 2020 census and every census thereafter. That is not as good as deporting all of the illegals, but it is a good start if you are American.Who elects the electors?
To regent:One comment at a time would help. To answer your first: I don't believe Karl Marx's predictions, nor his communism. If you do, explain why Marx's dialectical materialism never came to pass, or why the US nor England never went communistic even with degrees of socialism?
The USSR was composed of Republics.
With the Constitution, our second government, our framers created a democratic/republic and defined neither term in the Constitution. The democracy part has since been enlarged since that time. As you may know, the Constitution was a liberal document, created in the Age of Enlightenment.
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To regent:One comment at a time would help. To answer your first: I don't believe Karl Marx's predictions, nor his communism. If you do, explain why Marx's dialectical materialism never came to pass, or why the US nor England never went communistic even with degrees of socialism?
The USSR was composed of Republics.
With the Constitution, our second government, our framers created a democratic/republic and defined neither term in the Constitution. The democracy part has since been enlarged since that time. As you may know, the Constitution was a liberal document, created in the Age of Enlightenment.
Next.
Yeah, memorials should be spunky, filled with politics, upbeat, sort of like when we were kids and shooting everything in sight. Memorials are sort of the negative side of a war.I don't like the Vietnam Memorial either. It's like walking into a grave.
Maybe Congress should accept the Eisenhower Memorial as is lest the anti-America crowd replace it with one similar to this design:Today history is repeating itself, as another memorial commission—for the Eisenhower—is locked in a bitter war of attrition with Congress over funding.
