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Okay, you might be on to something here. So by your logic, there is no 'right to life" for Zygotes and globby fetuses....It is a privilege that can be given or taken away by the woman it happens to be inside.
Human rights are an Inherent property of human beings.

Frankly, you're worth less than the globs you demean, "globby" - your particular clump is already set in its hateful ways. They could still be not as rotten as you.
 
Human rights are an Inherent property of human beings.

Frankly, you're worth less than the globs you demean, "globby" - your particular clump is already set in its hateful ways. They could still be not as rotten as you.
Really? Where are these human rights? In your thumb, your ear, where are they contained? Amazing, wow. You were born with these things called "rights". What are they made of? Is it made of fairy dust, aether, poop, what?
 
There are no "individual human rights" apart from a community. Who or what gives you rights? Answer that question you fucking idiot.
There are no “rights” that a “community” can give. Those are meaningless privileges that the community can just take away, fucktard.
Okay, you might be on to something here. So by your logic, there is no 'right to life" for Zygotes and globby fetuses....It is a privilege that can be given or taken away by the woman it happens to be inside.

This is what you get when you deny the true God, and His role as the Creator of Mankind and the true source of human rights; and make “community” (in other words, government) into your idolatrous false god. People are then recognized only as having whatever rights government chooses to grant. This is how you got black people having no right not to be enslaved, Jews and other untermenshen having no right not to be rounded up and mass-exterminated, and unborn children having no right not to be killed in cold blood. It's how we got the mass murders carried out under Joseph Stalin and Pol Pot and Mao Zedong.

It's how we get nearly all of the horrific mass abuses of human rights that the world has ever seen.
 
Created with.

You're the one who could, at best, thinks we were "born with," which would still be arbitrary and stupid. Birth is not the beginning of our lifespan.

So you lied, you're religious. I asked you yesterday if you were religious and you said no. Are you a Bible-believing Christian?
 
This is what you get when you deny the true God, and His role as the Creator of Mankind and the true source of human rights; and make “community” (in other words, government) into your idolatrous false god. People are then recognized only as having whatever rights government chooses to grant. This is how you got black people having no right not to be enslaved, Jews and other untermenshen having no right not to be rounded up and mass-exterminated, and unborn children having no right not to be killed in cold blood. It's how we got the mass murders carried out under Joseph Stalin and Pol Pot and Mao Zedong.

It's how we get nearly all of the horrific mass abuses of human rights that the world has ever seen.

Christians are equally capable of mass murder, Mormon Bob... Just ask the Francher Party. Oh, wait, you can't ask the Francher Party, the Mormons killed them all.

Should also point out the Nazis also thought they were totally right with Jesus. Check this out... This is a Nazi Belt Buckle from World War II.

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Let me help you out here, Bob. It translates as "God's with Us" And the Pope was totally in with the Nazis and Fascists during the war. Didn't want those nasty, nasty communists taking away their goodies.

Of course, this has nothing to do with sensible medical procedures practiced on women who don't want to be pregnant.


If belief in a God was going to stop that, then you wouldn't have 800,000 abortions a year in the Philippines. Government has outlawed it, they are a lot more religious than we are. But when you live in grinding poverty and fucking is your only real entertainment, you are going to have abortions.

This is why I never take guys like you or Carsimony seriously on this issue. If you really wanted less abortions, there are policies to reduce the frequency. Poverty relief, sex education, universal health care, family leave.

Because when you give a poor woman a choice between a $300.00 abortion and a $10,000 live birth she didn't want, the $300.00 abortion is going to win every time.
 
Birth is not the beginning of our lifespan, drooling imbecile. Read a science book and be less stupid.

We don't become human beings until we develop a certain set of attributes. It's you who is an idiot equating an individual cell (we all came from an individual cell), zygote, or embryo:

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LIVING HUMAN CELL


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With actual human beings:

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One is a potential, the others are actual human beings. You reduce a human being/person to an individual cell, zygote, and embryo.
Your personal opinion about your god creating us with inherent rights, from conception is just your stupid opinion. You have no evidence that anyone is divinely created or conceived with rights. Human rights are a human social construct created, valued, and protected by human society. That's all we can prove, which is what is actually occurring now not what you imagine in your mind religiously with respect to your imaginary deity. No rational person gives a shit about your religion, especially when you're not even willing to admit openly which religion you believe in. You're too much of a coward to make a stance for any particular religion because you're aware that you will be bound to defend all of its absurdities. So remain on the fringe, like a coward and hypocrite, saying you're "secular" while appealing to religious ideas and ideals.
 
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We don't become human beings until we develop a certain set of attributes. It's you who is an idiot equating an individual cell (we all came from an individual cell), zygote, or embryo:

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One is a potential, the others are actual human beings. You reduce a human being/person to an individual cell, zygote, and embryo.
Your personal opinion about your god creating us with inherent rights, from conception is just your stupid opinion. You have no evidence that anyone is divinely created or conceived with rights. Human rights are a human social construct created, valued, and protected by human society. That's all we can prove, which is what is actually occurring now not what you imagine in your mind religiously with respect to your imaginary deity. No rational person gives a shit about your religion, especially when you're not even willing to admit openly which religion you believe in. You're too much of a coward to make a stance for any particular religion because you're aware that you will be bound to defend all of its absurdities. So remain on the fringe, like a coward and hypocrite, saying you're "secular" while appealing to religious ideas and ideals.

No matter how often, how loudly, or how overly verbosely you tell that lie, it will remain a lie.

A human being is a human being from conception to death.

Of course, this isn't at all surprising from you, an admitted Communist.

Aside from being an ideology of lies, Communism is one of the most murderous ideologies that has ever infested Mankind. Communism has a long history of murdering large numbers of people, based on arbitrary categories, and on denying the humanity of those so targeted.
 
We don't become human beings until we develop a certain set of attribute

Objectively false, arbitrary, unscientific, and stupid.

We cannot “become” members of our species, idiot. We just are, from creation.
Your personal opinion about your god creating us​
I didn’t say anything about a god creating us - try to read English better, moron.

Human rights are a human social construct​
You don’t believe in human rights, got it. Typical.
 
No matter how often, how loudly, or how overly verbosely you tell that lie, it will remain a lie.

A human being is a human being from conception to death.

Of course, this isn't at all surprising from you, an admitted Communist.

Aside from being an ideology of lies, Communism is one of the most murderous ideologies that has ever infested Mankind. Communism has a long history of murdering large numbers of people, based on arbitrary categories, and on denying the humanity of those so targeted.

As if capitalist imperialism hasn't killed anyone? You have no moral high ground upon which to stand and point your finger at communists or communism. You're reducing a human being or person to an individual cell, zygote, and embryo. Women are actual human beings, not what they first conceive in their bodies. More, it's the community that decides such questions, not you or me as individuals or your religion.
 
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Objectively false, arbitrary, unscientific, and stupid.

We cannot “become” members of our species, idiot. We just are, from creation.

I didn’t say anything about a god creating us - try to read English better, moron.


You don’t believe in human rights, got it. Typical.

Human rights don't come from the aether or invisible beings, they come from us. You asserted that "creation" magically grants us rights. An individual cell, zygote or embryo is human, but that doesn't make it a being/person. That requires more development, hence that's not a human being/person but rather a potential one. An infant is a potential teen, and a teen is a potential adult. The condition doesn't exist until it is actualized. Becomes an actuality rather than just a potential.
 
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If any of you "pro-life" people actually believed that a cell, zygote, embryo, or fetus, was a human being, you would do whatever it takes to stop all abortions from occurring, right now, in your community. If I knew of a medical clinic in my city that was murdering 2-month-old infants (human beings) or women (human beings), every single day, I would call the police and if they did nothing, I and other citizens would stop it, by whatever means necessary. You would too, if you're a decent human being and a good American. You wouldn't allow that shit to happen. You would fight, risk your freedom and life, to stop the daily murder of babies and women. You wouldn't allow it.

Do you know why you're not right now at these abortion clinics, trying to stop abortions, by whatever means necessary? Because even you don't really believe that a zygote or embryo, or even a fetus is an actual human being. If you actually believed that was the case, you wouldn't allow one abortion to be performed in your community. Not one. You would go to war, even risk your life to stop the murder of babies (human beings) and women (human beings). You would fight to stop it by whatever means necessary. You don't do that, because you know life in the womb, is not the same as life outside of the womb. Especially in the early stages of development, what is there is simply a potential human being, not an actual human being. Potential, not actual. Are you going to risk your freedom and life fighting for an embryo? Fighting a war, for undeveloped fetuses in other people's wombs? No, you're not that stupid. You know better than to do that.
 
This is what you get when you deny the true God, and His role as the Creator of Mankind and the true source of human rights; and make “community” (in other words, government) into your idolatrous false god. People are then recognized only as having whatever rights government chooses to grant. This is how you got black people having no right not to be enslaved, Jews and other untermenshen having no right not to be rounded up and mass-exterminated, and unborn children having no right not to be killed in cold blood. It's how we got the mass murders carried out under Joseph Stalin and Pol Pot and Mao Zedong.

It's how we get nearly all of the horrific mass abuses of human rights that the world has ever seen.

You just conjured up this god being in your mind and want to impose your religious beliefs on everybody else. Your beliefs, and religion, are all man-made. Rights come from human beings, even if those human beings say that "god" gave them their rights. They say that, but it's actually them inventing god, religion, and rights. You just conjured up a heavenly sugar daddy in your own image, that grants you imaginary "inherent" rights, that you conveniently create for yourself. Either way, however, you look at it, human rights are a social construct created by society, just as religion is. It's all man-made, sorry to burst your bubble. Theistic religions are an emotional, psychological crutch for primitive, immature people who can't accept reality on its own terms.
 
If any of you "pro-life" people actually believed that a cell, zygote, embryo, or fetus, was a human being, you would do whatever it takes to stop all abortions from occurring, right now, in your community. If I knew of a medical clinic in my city that was murdering 2-month-old infants (human beings) or women (human beings), every single day, I would call the police and if they did nothing, I and other citizens would stop it, by whatever means necessary. You would too, if you're a decent human being and a good American. You wouldn't allow that shit to happen. You would fight, risk your freedom and life, to stop the daily murder of babies and women. You wouldn't allow it.

Do you know why you're not right now at these abortion clinics, trying to stop abortions, by whatever means necessary? Because even you don't really believe that a zygote or embryo, or even a fetus is an actual human being. If you actually believed that was the case, you wouldn't allow one abortion to be performed in your community. Not one. You would go to war, even risk your life to stop the murder of babies (human beings) and women (human beings). You would fight to stop it by whatever means necessary. You don't do that, because you know life in the womb, is not the same as life outside of the womb. Especially in the early stages of development, what is there is simply a potential human being, not an actual human being. Potential, not actual. Are you going to risk your freedom and life fighting for an embryo? Fighting a war, for undeveloped fetuses in other people's wombs? No, you're not that stupid. You know better than to do that.
Post-Roe it’s already illegal in Texas.

I voted for people who would appoint / vote for for sane and literate Supreme Court nominees and who would stop vile, corrupt, insane pieces of shit like Merrick Garland from infecting that body.

No, we don’t have to be John Brown to be abolitionists - John Brown was a murderer who deserved to be hung.

But if it took a war to end this human rights abuse nationwide, so be it, sign me up.
 
Post-Roe it’s already illegal in Texas.

I voted for people who would appoint / vote for for sane and literate Supreme Court nominees and who would stop vile, corrupt, insane pieces of shit like Merrick Garland from infecting that body.

No, we don’t have to be John Brown to be abolitionists - John Brown was a murderer who deserved to be hung.

But if it took a war to end this human rights abuse nationwide, so be it, sign me up.

yeah, you'll make those bitches pay!!! How dare they think they own their own bodies.

Ever notice how quickly the anti-abortionists want to resort to violence to impose their backwards ass bronze age superstitions on the rest of us?

Here's the problem with the kinds of laws you want to pass.

They are unenforceable. That's the reason SCOTUS passed Roe, because the laws on the books were largely being ignored.

Case in point- Prostitution is illegal in 49 states...

Yet in any given state, you can find a plethora of strip joints, happy ending massage parlors, escort services, and other places that find clever ways around the laws cops aren't the least bit interested in enforcing. Yup. the anti-prostitution laws will keep the strung-out crack whore off the block, but it won't keep husbands or boyfriends from cheating if they are determined to do so.

Now, to the point, you can get your laws in SOME states, but it's only a matter before OB/GYN's just start doing what they did before Roe. Perform abortions and write something else down on a chart. And good luck finding young, female, undercover cops willing to bust them. They'd be more worried about their own access to abortion.

If you guys were serious about reducing the number of abortion, you'd support the higher taxes and social programs to prevent it. But this is where the religious zealots and the libertarian children factions contradict...
 
Abortions done correctly are important. Just slip in an extra step. Snip. There won't be another abortion. It was done to native American women for years.
 
Human rights don't come from the aether or invisible beings, they come from us. You asserted that "creation" magically grants us rights. An individual cell, zygote or embryo is human, but that doesn't make it a being/person. That requires more development, hence that's not a human being/person but rather a potential one. An infant is a potential teen, and a teen is a potential adult. The condition doesn't exist until it is actualized. Becomes an actuality rather than just a potential.
You are very wrong. A zygote isn't a potential human being. It is a stage of human development. A teen isn't a potential adult. A teen is the juvenile stage of development of a mature human being.

Nothing a good course in biology couldn't fix.
 
You are very wrong. A zygote isn't a potential human being. It is a stage of human development. A teen isn't a potential adult. A teen is the juvenile stage of development of a mature human being.

Nothing a good course in biology couldn't fix.

This is a long post, if you're not willing to read it, then ignore me. Click on my profile image and click on "ignore".

At the stage of human development of a single cell, zygote, or embryo, what is actually there attached to a human being (the woman) isn't a human being/person, but rather a single cell, zygote or embryo, undeveloped fetus..etc. At those early stages of development what exists is something in a state before reaching the condition of a being or person. It's the woman (an actual human being), that allows (or doesn't allow) the zygote, embryo, or fetus to develop within her, at her expense (sacrifice, risk, pain, health, money), to actualize itself into a being/person. Being "human" doesn't equate to personhood. If I extract a living cell from my body with the potential to become a human being or person (provided it's attached to technology and then a woman's uterus), that doesn't by default make that living, human cell a human being or human person.

The zygote or embryo conceived in a woman (actual human being), has the potential to develop into the condition of being a human being like the person who conceived it, but it's up to the woman (the actual human being), to decide whether she will remain pregnant, incurring the cost, risk and hazards, the pain and suffering of pregnancy. It's up to her, not you or me. We shouldn't force women to remain pregnant, especially in the early stages of gestation.

Women should have sovereignty over their bodies and reproductive systems, especially early in the pregnancy, before one can reasonably argue that what is attached to her uterus is a sentient human being. I agree with the conservatives that there is a point in gestation when one can reasonably argue that what is within the womb is a prenatal human being, perhaps even possessing a certain level of consciousness, with the ability to feel pain. So in that case I agree, that society should establish rules to protect human life in the womb that has reached that stage/condition of development. However, a single cell, zygote, or embryo is clearly not a human being or person, but rather a potential, relying on a woman (an actual human being) to actualize itself at her expense and risk. At that stage of pregnancy, a woman should have the right to end it. Her needs, and interests, take precedence over a zygote, embryo, or undeveloped, unviable fetus.

Life outside of the womb, takes precedence over life in the womb, especially when that prenatal life is in its earliest, unviable condition. Her needs:


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Are much more important than this:

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I take the side of women (actual human beings) and their rights, while you can be the champion of zygotes, embryos, and fetuses in other people's bodies.

It's not "pro-life" to force women to remain pregnant and give birth to unwanted children. Many of these people who are born from mothers that weren't ready to be mothers, end up suffering in poverty, with physical ailments and mental health issues, and more often than other people they fall into violent crime and end up in prison. Our prison inmate population is full of men that were born to women that didn't want them or were raised in horrible conditions because their single mothers couldn't adequately provide for them. So you're not "pro-life", forcing women to remain pregnant and give birth to children, they aren't willing or able to raise. If that wasn't enough, the so-called "pro-life" conservative Republicans, love to defund government social programs that help low-income single mothers raise their children. So you're just making the situation worse, with your artificial concern for zygotes, embryos, and unviable fetuses, in other people's wombs.

So-called "pro-life" politics is motivated mostly by resentment against women who engage in premarital sex. They want to punish women for being "harlots", by forcing them to remain pregnant against their will. That's really their motive for caring so much about fetuses in other people's bodies. It's not a genuine concern for prenatal life in strangers' wombs, but their hatred for sexy "sluts" who are having sex outside of marriage and not having sex with them. When it's a conservative male obsessed with pro-life issues, it's his deep resentment for women, who aren't having sex with him. So he tells women "Aha!!! You got pregnant? Stay pregnant you whore! Yeah suffer!!!". These people aren't really "pro-life", look at how indifferent they are to the suffering of children caused by American economic sanctions and wars. They push for war and more sanctions, drone strikes. These "pro-life" conservatives are for policies that cause an immense amount of suffering around the world, do you actually think they care about fetuses in other people's wombs? No.

 
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Abortions done correctly are important. Just slip in an extra step. Snip. There won't be another abortion. It was done to native American women for years.
Deprive women through a medical procedure of having children in the future because they're ending their pregnancy in the present? The laws you're suggesting are draconian and inhumane.
 

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