You Don't Have to Be a Bigot to Be Called a Racist Anymore

[harmonica]

What is a racist? There was a time when the answer to that question was pretty clear-cut. A racist was someone who joined a group like the Ku Klux Klan, spewed racial slurs, or supported segregation. A racist was someone who thought that people of other races were inherently inferior.
In the last decade or so, that's changed. In a time of expanding definitions, you don't have to be a bigot to be a racist anymore. You just have to have the wrong politics to be branded a racist, or race-baiter or race warrior.
Or you can just be associated with someone who has the wrong politics.
The Southern Poverty Law Center has listed David Horowitz, 79, a former 1960s radical turned conservative, as an extremist and "driving force" in the "anti-black" movement.
On Monday, The Washington Post ran a front-page story that reported that Ron DeSantis, the GOP candidate for governor in Florida, "spoke at racially-charged events" - that is, he spoke at four conferences put on by the David Horowitz Freedom Center.
What makes Horowitz anti-black? He is "a vocal opponent of reparations for slavery," the Southern Poverty Law Center wrote.
He also makes provocative statements. Like this one: "Unfortunately, as a nation we have become so trapped in the melodrama of black victimization and white oppression that we are in danger of losing all sense of proportion. If blacks are oppressed in America, why isn't there a black exodus?"
Horowitz's tone can be insensitive. I think he's dead wrong to dismiss black grievances as melodramatic and I believe he overstates white grievances. He has written things that make me cringe, but I've known him for years and he is no white supremacist. In fact, Horowitz was collaborating with the Black Panthers on a learning center in 1974, when a colleague was murdered; he blamed the group for her death and began to move away from the left.
Once the SPLC labeled Horowitz as an extremist, he was supposed to become so radioactive that others would associate with him at their own peril. As DeSantis learned. According to The Washington Post, you see, DeSantis not only spoke at Horowitz events, he also "recently was accused of using racially tinged language."
After he won the GOP primary, DeSantis called his African-American Democratic opponent, Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum "articulate." The Republican also told Fox News that the last thing Floridians need is "to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda."
"Monkey," critics argued, is a racist dog whistle.
"Articulate" is racist because it can be condescending -- as Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., learned in 2007 after he praised colleague Barack Obama as the "first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy." Biden apologized. Obama later picked Biden to be his running mate in 2008.
DeSantis said his "monkey" remark had nothing to do with race. Without proof, one would expect DeSantis to enjoy the benefit of the doubt. Instead he got a front-page story that implied he's a race-baiter because he spoke at conservative confabs.
Mark Krikorian is executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a pro-enforcement group branded a "hate group" by the SPLC. He sees the SPLC as a left-wing political organization now dedicated to marginalizing ideas that used to be mainstream.
Politicians like former President Bill Clinton, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and the late Rep. Barbara Jordan, D-Texas, used to support enforcing immigration laws. Today, Krikorian said, their positions would be "branded as hate speech" by the SPLC.
The SPLC also charged Horowitz with hating Muslims because of his harsh criticism of radical Islamic terrorism and Palestinian groups opposed to Israel.
As a proof, the SPLC includes this statement, which really is a political argument: "The difference between Islamic fanatics, or Jew haters, and Hitler is that Hitler hid the Final Solution, and the Iranians and Hezbollah shout it from the rooftops. And the whole Muslim world accepts it."
And here's how you know the SPLC's labeling is highly partisan. In 2016, Richard Cohen, the group's president, wrote a piece titled, "Black Lives Matter is not a hate group."
"There's no doubt that some protesters who claim the mantle of Black Lives Matter have said offensive things, like the chant, 'pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon' that was heard at one rally," Cohen wrote. "But before we condemn the entire movement for the words of a few, we should ask ourselves whether we would also condemn the entire Republican Party for the racist words of its presumptive nominee -- or for the racist rhetoric of many other politicians in the party over the course of years."
No, the SPLC would never condemn the entire GOP as racist because of Donald Trump. Better to cook the frog slowly. Start by isolating David Horowitz. Then let the r-word hang over anyone who associates with him. And then see where that goes.

You Don't Have to Be a Bigot to Be Called a Racist Anymore — RealClearPolitics

The definition of racism has not changed. It has not expanded. It's still the same. What has changed is how racism is expressed. It is not socially acceptable to be a KKK member, so we have white supremacist groups using names like Christian identity, Army of God, etc. Citizens groups. Patriot groups. Militias. Anti govrnmnt, Anti Tax groups, etc. And the way racism is communicated has changed. You can no longer just straight out make racist comments and be deemed acceptable. So what we see is called modern racism.

so there are no black racist groups???!!!!!!!!!????
http://www.blacknews.com/directory/black_african_american_organizations.shtml
etc
you prove yourself to be a racist hahahahhaha

 

[BookShaka]

What is a racist? There was a time when the answer to that question was pretty clear-cut. A racist was someone who joined a group like the Ku Klux Klan, spewed racial slurs, or supported segregation. A racist was someone who thought that people of other races were inherently inferior.
In the last decade or so, that's changed. In a time of expanding definitions, you don't have to be a bigot to be a racist anymore. You just have to have the wrong politics to be branded a racist, or race-baiter or race warrior.
Or you can just be associated with someone who has the wrong politics.
The Southern Poverty Law Center has listed David Horowitz, 79, a former 1960s radical turned conservative, as an extremist and "driving force" in the "anti-black" movement.
On Monday, The Washington Post ran a front-page story that reported that Ron DeSantis, the GOP candidate for governor in Florida, "spoke at racially-charged events" - that is, he spoke at four conferences put on by the David Horowitz Freedom Center.
What makes Horowitz anti-black? He is "a vocal opponent of reparations for slavery," the Southern Poverty Law Center wrote.
He also makes provocative statements. Like this one: "Unfortunately, as a nation we have become so trapped in the melodrama of black victimization and white oppression that we are in danger of losing all sense of proportion. If blacks are oppressed in America, why isn't there a black exodus?"
Horowitz's tone can be insensitive. I think he's dead wrong to dismiss black grievances as melodramatic and I believe he overstates white grievances. He has written things that make me cringe, but I've known him for years and he is no white supremacist. In fact, Horowitz was collaborating with the Black Panthers on a learning center in 1974, when a colleague was murdered; he blamed the group for her death and began to move away from the left.
Once the SPLC labeled Horowitz as an extremist, he was supposed to become so radioactive that others would associate with him at their own peril. As DeSantis learned. According to The Washington Post, you see, DeSantis not only spoke at Horowitz events, he also "recently was accused of using racially tinged language."
After he won the GOP primary, DeSantis called his African-American Democratic opponent, Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum "articulate." The Republican also told Fox News that the last thing Floridians need is "to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda."
"Monkey," critics argued, is a racist dog whistle.
"Articulate" is racist because it can be condescending -- as Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., learned in 2007 after he praised colleague Barack Obama as the "first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy." Biden apologized. Obama later picked Biden to be his running mate in 2008.
DeSantis said his "monkey" remark had nothing to do with race. Without proof, one would expect DeSantis to enjoy the benefit of the doubt. Instead he got a front-page story that implied he's a race-baiter because he spoke at conservative confabs.
Mark Krikorian is executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a pro-enforcement group branded a "hate group" by the SPLC. He sees the SPLC as a left-wing political organization now dedicated to marginalizing ideas that used to be mainstream.
Politicians like former President Bill Clinton, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and the late Rep. Barbara Jordan, D-Texas, used to support enforcing immigration laws. Today, Krikorian said, their positions would be "branded as hate speech" by the SPLC.
The SPLC also charged Horowitz with hating Muslims because of his harsh criticism of radical Islamic terrorism and Palestinian groups opposed to Israel.
As a proof, the SPLC includes this statement, which really is a political argument: "The difference between Islamic fanatics, or Jew haters, and Hitler is that Hitler hid the Final Solution, and the Iranians and Hezbollah shout it from the rooftops. And the whole Muslim world accepts it."
And here's how you know the SPLC's labeling is highly partisan. In 2016, Richard Cohen, the group's president, wrote a piece titled, "Black Lives Matter is not a hate group."
"There's no doubt that some protesters who claim the mantle of Black Lives Matter have said offensive things, like the chant, 'pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon' that was heard at one rally," Cohen wrote. "But before we condemn the entire movement for the words of a few, we should ask ourselves whether we would also condemn the entire Republican Party for the racist words of its presumptive nominee -- or for the racist rhetoric of many other politicians in the party over the course of years."
No, the SPLC would never condemn the entire GOP as racist because of Donald Trump. Better to cook the frog slowly. Start by isolating David Horowitz. Then let the r-word hang over anyone who associates with him. And then see where that goes.

You Don't Have to Be a Bigot to Be Called a Racist Anymore — RealClearPolitics

There are more bigots than racists.

A bigot traditionally is anyone who has intolerant views towards their opposition, and the racial qualifier was added further down the line. To assume that one needs to be a racist to be a bigot, is simply a product of race peddling, and a cottage industry that wants to co-opt whatever it can in negative mechanisms.

As it was traditionally, racists, and those who fervently oppose them, would both be bigots, because neither group is tolerant of their opposition's views.

Plain and simply racism is a form of bigotry. One who is racist is also, by definition, a bigot.

 

[Pilot1]

I've got news for you. Everyone is racist to a degree. We look at skin color, and ethnicity the same way as we look at clothing, speech, cars, neighborhoods, and any other characteristics people display. It is a natural human condition to judge by all of these factors. However, those that judge only negatively due to a specific factor are bigots.

 

[Hiryuu]

You are not a bigot for being intolerant to false views based on racism. Are you a bigot for being intolerant to a rapists views that his victims asked for it? The mental gymnastics at USMB are amazing.

Your constant desire to make things up about what I think, is a product of your bigotry, not mine. I haven't said anything about racism, except that racists can be bigots, and those who fervently oppose them (like you) are also bigots. At no point did I suggest anything that involved rape, and that is simply how your bigotry operates, in grasping for the absurd in attempts to justify your own absurdity.

 

[IM2]

i

The Left derives their power from imflaming cultural tensions.
The Democrats/MSM/Hollywood work very hard to divide Americans by race, religion,region, gender, class and age.
It's why the Press is biased on coverage of interracial crimes.
A Democrat Politician's worst nighmare is racial harmony.

Exactly. That is why you have people like Obama being a "Community Organizer", which is just another name for rabble rouser to create divisiveness, and disharmony.

The right plays on racism and racial resentment. These threads are examples of that.

There are blatant racists on both sides. Your side is guilty of obsessing over race to the point they need to know the race of everyone involved in a given situation before making decisions about it. They may think they’re doing this bc they’re NOT racist but they’re 100% wrong.

Both sides have nothing to do with this. No one is obsessing over race just because we talk about race in the race and racism section of USMB. Racism is the belief in the superiority of your race. Or a system that based on the superiority of a race. Not what you say. We see countless comments here by whites doing that. The American system is an example of that. No one black waits to see the race of anyone to make any decisions. That's a stupid comment which shows just how much you are detached from reality.

 

[IM2]

I've got news for you. Everyone is racist to a degree. We look at skin color, and ethnicity the same way as we look at clothing, speech, cars, neighborhoods, and any other characteristics people display. It is a natural human condition to judge by all of these factors. However, those that judge only negatively due to a specific factor are bigots.

You have prejudice and racism conflated. Pointing out things that do happen because of a specific factor is not bigotry. And don't try twisting that comment. Try again.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Plain and simply racism is a form of bigotry. One who is racist is also, by definition, a bigot.

It is a form of bigotry. But there's a much more distinct aspect of racism that few ever realize or discuss. Racism is just a nasy form of collectivism. Now, what is collectivism, let's define that first. Collectivism is the mindset that views human beings strictly as members of groups rather than as Individuals. Racists, like collectivists, believe that anyone who shares some kind of superficial characteristic are alike and so, again, they view them as members of groups rather than as Individuals. As collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. So, they refer to people they're talking with or about as whites, blacks, white woman, white man, etc.

 

[Votto]

there are many definitions of racist
basically, you can make up any definition you want

Do you oppose the DNC?

If so, you are a racist.

If not, they you should at least have guilt if you are a whitey.

If you are black and oppose the DNC, you are the lowest of the low. You are a traitor.

It's like I always said, race is a political construct. It is only applied when trying to obtain power or take power away from certain groups, otherwise, no one cares..............unless you are in the medical field trying to screen certain genetic diseases according to heredity.

 

[IM2]

You are not a bigot for being intolerant to false views based on racism. Are you a bigot for being intolerant to a rapists views that his victims asked for it? The mental gymnastics at USMB are amazing.

Your constant desire to make things up about what I think, is a product of your bigotry, not mine. I haven't said anything about racism, except that racists can be bigots, and those who fervently oppose them (like you) are also bigots. At no point did I suggest anything that involved rape, and that is simply how your bigotry operates, in grasping for the absurd in attempts to justify your own absurdity.

People who oppose racism are not bigots. That's stupid. I said what I did about rape to contrast your silly comment about people being intolerant of views being bigots. Debating the dumb is really hard. It's just not something I've been used to.

 

[Hiryuu]

People who oppose racism are not bigots. That's stupid. I said what I did about rape to contrast your silly comment about people being intolerant of views being bigots. Debating the dumb is really hard. It's just not something I've been used to.

People who have intolerant views of their opposition are bigots, and race doesn't even have to be a factor. You can debate that all you want, if you want to be a bigot.

 

[IM2]

Plain and simply racism is a form of bigotry. One who is racist is also, by definition, a bigot.

It is a form of bigotry. But there's a much more distinct aspect of racism that few ever realize or discuss. Racism is just a nasy form of collectivism. Now, what is collectivism, let's define that first. Collectivism is the mindset that views human beings strictly as members of groups rather than as Individuals. Racists, like collectivists, believe that anyone who shares some kind of superficial characteristic are alike and so, again, they view them as members of groups rather than as Individuals. As collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. So, they refer to people they're talking with or about as whites, blacks, white woman, white man, etc.

“ I posit that the Discourse of Individualism functions to: deny the significance of race and the advantages of being white; hide the accumulation of wealth over generations; deny social and historical context; prevent a macro analysis of the institutional and structural dimensions of social life; deny collective socialization and the power of dominant culture (media, education, religion, etc.) to shape our perspectives and ideology; function as neo-colorblindness and reproduce the myth of meritocracy; and make collective action difficult. Further, being viewed as an individual is a privilege only available to the dominant group. I explicate each of these discursive effects and argue that while we may be considered individuals in general, white insistence on Individualism in discussions of racism in particular functions to obscure and maintain racism.”

Robin DeAngelo​

 

[IM2]

People who oppose racism are not bigots. That's stupid. I said what I did about rape to contrast your silly comment about people being intolerant of views being bigots. Debating the dumb is really hard. It's just not something I've been used to.

People who have intolerant views of their opposition are bigots, and race doesn't even have to be a factor. You can debate that all you want, if you want to be a bigot.

No, that is just not the case. I will continue debating in opposition to this, and it does not make me a bigot.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Robin DeAngelo

Yeah, Robin's a cultural Marxist, I didn't expect anything otherwise from you. lol.

 

[Hiryuu]

No, that is just not the case. I will continue debating in opposition to this, and it does not make me a bigot.

I never suggested you aren't a bigot, there is no need to keep demonstrating you are.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Matter of fact, IM2's reference to the Marxist social justice warrrior, DeAngelo, reminds me of something else beyond my point on the collectivism of racism.

Diversity!

Let's talk about diversity. Recalling that, as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups, it is the advocates of 'diversity' who encourage Americans to adopt a group mentality. In doing so, they actually perpetuate racism. Again, racism is just a nasty form of collectivism. The constant and never-ending focus on race and the constant focus on the characterization of humans as strictly members of groups rather than as Individuals that these so-called advocates of diversity encourage is, itself, racist. It is racist because it is collectivist.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Alright. I'm tired of this thread, for now. You guys can play whack-a-mole with IM2 for a while without me. lol.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Plain and simply racism is a form of bigotry. One who is racist is also, by definition, a bigot.

It is a form of bigotry. But there's a much more distinct aspect of racism that few ever realize or discuss. Racism is just a nasy form of collectivism. Now, what is collectivism, let's define that first. Collectivism is the mindset that views human beings strictly as members of groups rather than as Individuals. Racists, like collectivists, believe that anyone who shares some kind of superficial characteristic are alike and so, again, they view them as members of groups rather than as Individuals. As collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. So, they refer to people they're talking with or about as whites, blacks, white woman, white man, etc.

In the USA, white racists created laws elevating the rights of the white race above individuals of African descent. These laws were then upheld in a mutlitude of court rulings including what has been called the worst Supreme Court decision in history, the Dred Scot v Sanford ruling which stated that black people, whether slave or free, were not citizens of the U.S. and had no rights under the Constitution that need be unheld. And this bullshit was the law of the land until the passage of the 14th Amendment which essentially nullified that particular SCOTUS ruling although legal racial discrimination was still the law of the land.

This is oppression and although most of these laws have been stricken from the books they are still violated daily so what you are observing is not racism on the part of the non-white groups, it's the natural reaction to centuries of being abused in a myriad of ways all while being told that racism no longer exists.

So if you all don't like being judged by what the racists in your midst have done why would you think that black people want to constantly hear about all the negative stereotypes and perceptions you have of African Americans in general, when they don't apply to us as individuals? Calling about all the ways that racism still exists and working on ways to uncover the abuses still being perpetrated is not an unhealthy obssession nor does it make the individuals doing the hard work racists. If you knew anything about Harriett Tubman and the underground railroad you would know that once she obtained her freedom, she went back again and again to help others escape slavery as well. Of course the opposition is going to complain about it.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

People who oppose racism are not bigots. That's stupid. I said what I did about rape to contrast your silly comment about people being intolerant of views being bigots. Debating the dumb is really hard. It's just not something I've been used to.

People who have intolerant views of their opposition are bigots, and race doesn't even have to be a factor. You can debate that all you want, if you want to be a bigot.

Being intolerant of another's unlawful views and acts does not make a person a bigot. And racism is not lawful in the U.S. presently. Physically attacking a person motivated by their inclusion in a protected class is a violation of the criminal code in my state. Doing any thing that harms them in other ways motivated by their race, national origin, immigration status, sexual orientation, religion, etc. are violations of a multitude of local, state & federal civil statues.

In the final analysis, you can be a raging bigot/racist all day long, that is your right and most people won't care UNLESS it motivates you to act and it does my heart good to see all of people out there documenting racists breaking the laws and violating their rights, getting the evidence to the appropriate authrotities and getting the charges filed and the arrest warrants issued. For the longest time in the country, this was not even possible for most black people whose rights were being abused. Add one to the plus side of the use of technology to make the world a better place.

 

[BookShaka]

i

The Left derives their power from imflaming cultural tensions.
The Democrats/MSM/Hollywood work very hard to divide Americans by race, religion,region, gender, class and age.
It's why the Press is biased on coverage of interracial crimes.
A Democrat Politician's worst nighmare is racial harmony.

Exactly. That is why you have people like Obama being a "Community Organizer", which is just another name for rabble rouser to create divisiveness, and disharmony.

The right plays on racism and racial resentment. These threads are examples of that.

There are blatant racists on both sides. Your side is guilty of obsessing over race to the point they need to know the race of everyone involved in a given situation before making decisions about it. They may think they’re doing this bc they’re NOT racist but they’re 100% wrong.

Both sides have nothing to do with this. No one is obsessing over race just because we talk about race in the race and racism section of USMB. Racism is the belief in the superiority of your race. Or a system that based on the superiority of a race. Not what you say. We see countless comments here by whites doing that. The American system is an example of that. No one black waits to see the race of anyone to make any decisions. That's a stupid comment which shows just how much you are detached from reality.

There is more than one definition of racism, one of which leftists (I’ll agree they’re prob mostly white leftists) display fairly often:

“a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race”

I know you think you’re smart but the truth remains that you don’t, in fact, know it all. Our differing perspective is to blame for our disconnect and you saying I’m detached from reality. Just bc you haven’t noticed something that I’ve noticed doesn’t mean I’m detached from reality... thanks for giving me a laugh though.

 

[BookShaka]

Plain and simply racism is a form of bigotry. One who is racist is also, by definition, a bigot.

It is a form of bigotry. But there's a much more distinct aspect of racism that few ever realize or discuss. Racism is just a nasy form of collectivism. Now, what is collectivism, let's define that first. Collectivism is the mindset that views human beings strictly as members of groups rather than as Individuals. Racists, like collectivists, believe that anyone who shares some kind of superficial characteristic are alike and so, again, they view them as members of groups rather than as Individuals. As collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. So, they refer to people they're talking with or about as whites, blacks, white woman, white man, etc.

Yes and I see people as people so no wonder these racists who don’t think they’re racist and I don’t see eye-to-eye.