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Zimmerman claimed Martin tried to take away his gun. How could Martin try to disarm Zimmerman if he didn't know he had a gun?????Or full of FEAR that a pale faced, skin headed, gun toting person was chasing after him. Face it Zimmerman looks like a skinhead and Martin had every right to fear for his life and stand his ground.
Zimmerman looks like a skinhead! Pale!
Oh my my my.
Whose photo are you looking at?
It is highly likely that Martin had no idea Zimmerman was gun toting. Otherwise he wouldn't have attacked.
His gun was at his waist and his jacket was wide opened as he chased Martin. It is much more highly likely that Zimmerman's gun was in plain sight.
reverend al says he's guilty, even congress said he was hunted down with the hoodie on.
what else do we need ??
how about a real trial instead of a "witchhunt"
How about we just stick to the fucking process, regardless of the outcome?
reverend al says he's guilty, even congress said he was hunted down with the hoodie on.
what else do we need ??
how about a real trial instead of a "witchhunt"
Which never would have happened if it wasn't for Al Sharpton.
how about a real trial instead of a "witchhunt"
How about we just stick to the fucking process, regardless of the outcome?
exactly.....dead kid, gun used to kill him, dude who admits to doing it in self defense...time for a courtroom.
Are those burns on the cop's face or is that blood? It's so hard to tell.Somebody on Something Awful offered this:Again, the "damning" shot of the head injury, is so high-quality, that it also reveals that the officer with a notepad has lost his right eye and most of his right ear, appears to have suffered severe burns, and is cel-shaded.
It also reveals, on Zimmerman, the red "neck halo" you can see just off the collar of his jacket. The NRA has stated that the neck halo only happens after a just killing by CCW permit holder.
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How about we just stick to the fucking process, regardless of the outcome?
exactly.....dead kid, gun used to kill him, dude who admits to doing it in self defense...time for a courtroom.
That's not the process. The process says investigate, gather evidence - IF the evidence warrants a GJ... convene one... then we talk about trials. That is our process. Flawed though it is sometimes, it is what it is. What we don't do.... we don't try people in the media.... we don't rely on the media to present the 'facts'... and it appears that is a wise thing given the lies spread by NBC to create a 'race' issue... and the use of old images to make Martin look like some little boy and Zimmerman like a convicted criminal.... we don't do an American Idol vote for guilt or innocence.
And,exactly.....dead kid, gun used to kill him, dude who admits to doing it in self defense...time for a courtroom.
That's not the process. The process says investigate, gather evidence - IF the evidence warrants a GJ... convene one... then we talk about trials. That is our process. Flawed though it is sometimes, it is what it is. What we don't do.... we don't try people in the media.... we don't rely on the media to present the 'facts'... and it appears that is a wise thing given the lies spread by NBC to create a 'race' issue... and the use of old images to make Martin look like some little boy and Zimmerman like a convicted criminal.... we don't do an American Idol vote for guilt or innocence.
They have the following
1) Dead Body
2) weapon used to kill dead body
3) Person who used weapon on record saying it was done so in self defense
That isn't enough evidence to have a court decide if it was self defense or not? What else is needed?
And I'm not sure why you are throwing all that into your response to me, it doesn't really fit into what I am calling for or saying, my position is very simple and has been laid out over and over.
exactly.....dead kid, gun used to kill him, dude who admits to doing it in self defense...time for a courtroom.
That's not the process. The process says investigate, gather evidence - IF the evidence warrants a GJ... convene one... then we talk about trials. That is our process. Flawed though it is sometimes, it is what it is. What we don't do.... we don't try people in the media.... we don't rely on the media to present the 'facts'... and it appears that is a wise thing given the lies spread by NBC to create a 'race' issue... and the use of old images to make Martin look like some little boy and Zimmerman like a convicted criminal.... we don't do an American Idol vote for guilt or innocence.
They have the following
1) Dead Body
2) weapon used to kill dead body
3) Person who used weapon on record saying it was done so in self defense
That isn't enough evidence to have a court decide if it was self defense or not? What else is needed?
And I'm not sure why you are throwing all that into your response to me, it doesn't really fit into what I am calling for or saying, my position is very simple and has been laid out over and over.
And,That's not the process. The process says investigate, gather evidence - IF the evidence warrants a GJ... convene one... then we talk about trials. That is our process. Flawed though it is sometimes, it is what it is. What we don't do.... we don't try people in the media.... we don't rely on the media to present the 'facts'... and it appears that is a wise thing given the lies spread by NBC to create a 'race' issue... and the use of old images to make Martin look like some little boy and Zimmerman like a convicted criminal.... we don't do an American Idol vote for guilt or innocence.
They have the following
1) Dead Body
2) weapon used to kill dead body
3) Person who used weapon on record saying it was done so in self defense
That isn't enough evidence to have a court decide if it was self defense or not? What else is needed?
And I'm not sure why you are throwing all that into your response to me, it doesn't really fit into what I am calling for or saying, my position is very simple and has been laid out over and over.
4) The statute in Florida where a presumption that he was in fear is given.
5) Corroborating witness statements.
DAs make calls whether to take cases to the grand jury or not all the time and they don't whenever there is little chance to win. Going to trial before there is enough evidence will rule out any possible conviction in the future. And, going to trial when there is little chance to win is prosecutorial abuse, a rules violation.
That's part of the process, as well.
And,They have the following
1) Dead Body
2) weapon used to kill dead body
3) Person who used weapon on record saying it was done so in self defense
That isn't enough evidence to have a court decide if it was self defense or not? What else is needed?
And I'm not sure why you are throwing all that into your response to me, it doesn't really fit into what I am calling for or saying, my position is very simple and has been laid out over and over.
4) The statute in Florida where a presumption that he was in fear is given.
5) Corroborating witness statements.
DAs make calls whether to take cases to the grand jury or not all the time and they don't whenever there is little chance to win. Going to trial before there is enough evidence will rule out any possible conviction in the future. And, going to trial when there is little chance to win is prosecutorial abuse, a rules violation.
That's part of the process, as well.
Yes but as part of the process is it the courts or the police that decide that Zimmerman was in fear or not, do the police get to be the judge in that instance under the law? Honest question.
They have evidence (Body, Weapon, Admission of person who ended the life). I just don't think the law allows for the police to make the judgement call if it was self defense/stand your ground or not, that is the role of the judiciary.
That's not the process. The process says investigate, gather evidence - IF the evidence warrants a GJ... convene one... then we talk about trials. That is our process. Flawed though it is sometimes, it is what it is. What we don't do.... we don't try people in the media.... we don't rely on the media to present the 'facts'... and it appears that is a wise thing given the lies spread by NBC to create a 'race' issue... and the use of old images to make Martin look like some little boy and Zimmerman like a convicted criminal.... we don't do an American Idol vote for guilt or innocence.
They have the following
1) Dead Body
2) weapon used to kill dead body
3) Person who used weapon on record saying it was done so in self defense
That isn't enough evidence to have a court decide if it was self defense or not? What else is needed?
And I'm not sure why you are throwing all that into your response to me, it doesn't really fit into what I am calling for or saying, my position is very simple and has been laid out over and over.
And the person who used the weapon saying it was self defense. What if that's all there is? What if it really was self defense? People are on record on this forum as saying they want him in prison... some say he should get the DP.... and we haven't even bothered to find him guilty. We have the NBPs issuing a reward for his capture 'dead or alive'... and there isn't even an arrest warrant out on the man. We have the media providing dishonest edited versions of 911 tapes.... what kind of fucking country is this? Is it one of laws or one of trial by media?
And, part of the process is what leads up to an actual trial.And,They have the following
1) Dead Body
2) weapon used to kill dead body
3) Person who used weapon on record saying it was done so in self defense
That isn't enough evidence to have a court decide if it was self defense or not? What else is needed?
And I'm not sure why you are throwing all that into your response to me, it doesn't really fit into what I am calling for or saying, my position is very simple and has been laid out over and over.
4) The statute in Florida where a presumption that he was in fear is given.
5) Corroborating witness statements.
DAs make calls whether to take cases to the grand jury or not all the time and they don't whenever there is little chance to win. Going to trial before there is enough evidence will rule out any possible conviction in the future. And, going to trial when there is little chance to win is prosecutorial abuse, a rules violation.
That's part of the process, as well.
Yes but as part of the process is it the courts or the police that decide that Zimmerman was in fear or not, do the police get to be the judge in that instance under the law? Honest question.
They have evidence (Body, Weapon, Admission of person who ended the life). I just don't think the law allows for the police to make the judgement call if it was self defense/stand your ground or not, that is the role of the judiciary.
And,
4) The statute in Florida where a presumption that he was in fear is given.
5) Corroborating witness statements.
DAs make calls whether to take cases to the grand jury or not all the time and they don't whenever there is little chance to win. Going to trial before there is enough evidence will rule out any possible conviction in the future. And, going to trial when there is little chance to win is prosecutorial abuse, a rules violation.
That's part of the process, as well.
Yes but as part of the process is it the courts or the police that decide that Zimmerman was in fear or not, do the police get to be the judge in that instance under the law? Honest question.
They have evidence (Body, Weapon, Admission of person who ended the life). I just don't think the law allows for the police to make the judgement call if it was self defense/stand your ground or not, that is the role of the judiciary.
Not the police... the State.
And, part of the process is what leads up to an actual trial.And,
4) The statute in Florida where a presumption that he was in fear is given.
5) Corroborating witness statements.
DAs make calls whether to take cases to the grand jury or not all the time and they don't whenever there is little chance to win. Going to trial before there is enough evidence will rule out any possible conviction in the future. And, going to trial when there is little chance to win is prosecutorial abuse, a rules violation.
That's part of the process, as well.
Yes but as part of the process is it the courts or the police that decide that Zimmerman was in fear or not, do the police get to be the judge in that instance under the law? Honest question.
They have evidence (Body, Weapon, Admission of person who ended the life). I just don't think the law allows for the police to make the judgement call if it was self defense/stand your ground or not, that is the role of the judiciary.
As I described.
And that pretrial process involves a lot of persons who are not judges.
Why would the police presume Zimmerman was NOT in fear, even though he said he was AND the witness statements corroborate it, AND they say he has injuries?
The police DID! They sent it to the DA. The DA chose not to pursue it further, likely for the reasons I stated.And, part of the process is what leads up to an actual trial.Yes but as part of the process is it the courts or the police that decide that Zimmerman was in fear or not, do the police get to be the judge in that instance under the law? Honest question.
They have evidence (Body, Weapon, Admission of person who ended the life). I just don't think the law allows for the police to make the judgement call if it was self defense/stand your ground or not, that is the role of the judiciary.
As I described.
And that pretrial process involves a lot of persons who are not judges.
Why would the police presume Zimmerman was NOT in fear, even though he said he was AND the witness statements corroborate it, AND they say he has injuries?
I don't think the police should assume one way or the other. They should just process and leave that up to the judiciary.
