Yes, it was all a lie about Obamacare

[idb]

It was obvious to me that when Obama repeatedly used 46 million as number of uninsured this was going to be a GIGANTIC cluster...K!
When his own Census said 10 million uninsured were not citizens, and 14 million only needed to register with Medicaid and they were covered it proved to me they didn't know what they were doing!
But when he falsely included 18 million people THAT didn't want health insurance I KNEW this was a huge fraud!
Subtract that 42 million above and you find ONLY 4 million that truly wanted and needed health insurance.
So that's why taxing lawyers 10% of $200 billion income would pay a $5,000 a person premium. BUT then I found out lawyers gave OBAMA/Congress $300 million in 2008!
Unlike the tanning salon lobby that didn't and found themselves now responsible for 10% tax all because tanning causes cancer!
Well lawyers cause $850 billion a year in defensive medicine... why are they exempt other then they are fellow lawyers with Obama and 47% of Congress!

Obama never used the 46 million number.

46 Million Uninsured: A Look Behind The Number : NPR

The conclusion from your link

So, are there really 46 million uninsured? It's the current best guess, but it might be off by several million.

and

Whatever the exact figure, tens of millions of people don't have insurance. But that doesn't mean they don't cost money. In fact, they may cost more.

"The barriers the uninsured face in getting the care that they need means they are less likely to receive preventive care, are more likely to be hospitalized for conditions that could have been prevented, and are more likely to die in the hospital than those with insurance," according to the Kaiser Family Foundation report.

And that's a challenge for us all.

 

[francoHFW]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha....Pub dupes!! Now dying off and out....thickest skulls in the world....Everything you know is Pubcrappe, chumps of the greedy idiot rich. Change the channel. LOL!

 

[Greenbeard]

I am not talking about the Catastrophic Plan AS my post made clear.

Neither am I; the cheapest catastrophic plan available to families is much cheaper (MVP's product for families in Vermont is less than $6,800).

We're talking about bronze plans here.

 

[healthmyths]

Obama never used the 46 million number.

46 Million Uninsured: A Look Behind The Number : NPR

The conclusion from your link

So, are there really 46 million uninsured? It's the current best guess, but it might be off by several million.

and

Whatever the exact figure, tens of millions of people don't have insurance. But that doesn't mean they don't cost money. In fact, they may cost more.

"The barriers the uninsured face in getting the care that they need means they are less likely to receive preventive care, are more likely to be hospitalized for conditions that could have been prevented, and are more likely to die in the hospital than those with insurance," according to the Kaiser Family Foundation report.

And that's a challenge for us all.

DID YOU COMPREHEND THIS?

"and you find ONLY 4 million that truly wanted and needed health insurance.
So that's why taxing lawyers 10% of their $200 billion income would pay a $5,000 a person premium.
BUT then I found out lawyers gave OBAMA/Congress $300 million in 2008!
Unlike the tanning salon lobby that didn't and found themselves now responsible for 10% tax all because tanning causes cancer!"

Now please pay close attention and I'll go slow!!!
A) "In 1986, Congress enacted the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA) states any hospital taking Medicare payments must see uninsured people!
Simple enough? Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA) - Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services

And so hospitals "pad and pass' sometimes 6,000% OVERCHARGE for services to Medicare.. YOU WANT FACTS tell me what city you live in and I'll show you!!

But you don't want facts do you???

B) 90% of the experts, i.e. physicians SAY there is almost $850 billion a year THEY BILL insurance/medicare for duplicate tests, specialists,etc... DEFENSIVE MEDICINE. WHY?
FEAR OF LAWYERS and lawsuits! Remember it isn't just money BUT TIME spent in frivolous non threatening lawsuits.
So lawyers like tanning salons should be taxed 10% of their $200 billion a year and that pays the premium for the 4 million truly uninsured that need it!

RESULTS:
1) Hospitals will register the "uninsured" and then send all claims to the "Uninsured Health Ins. Co.©" which uses the premium to pay the claims!
2) Hospitals audited to make sure no longer "padding and passing" to Medicare/insurance companies.
3) Reduced Medicare/insurance companies claims easily $100 billion a year!
4) Reduced $850 billion a year defensive medicine which again is sent as claims to Medicare/insurance companies.. again $100 billion a year reduction!

$200 billion a year in health care claims costs reduced means lower Medicare/insurance companies costs!

Did I go too fast???

 

[Socio]

Cheapest policy according to the IRS will be $20,000/yr. Where is all my savings from Obamacare??
IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family | CNS News

“The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000,” the regulation says.

Bronze will be the lowest tier health-insurance plan available under Obamacare--after Silver, Gold, and Platinum. Under the law, the penalty for not buying health insurance is supposed to be capped at either the annual average Bronze premium, 2.5 percent of taxable income, or $2,085.00 per family in 2016.

At $20,000 vs $2,000 I am guessing 85-90% of the country will be uninsured fine payers.

 

[The Rabbi]

I am not talking about the Catastrophic Plan AS my post made clear.

Neither am I; the cheapest catastrophic plan available to families is much cheaper (MVP's product for families in Vermont is less than $6,800).

We're talking about bronze plans here.

Yeah don't cherry pick Vermont, which already had laws in place similar to Obamacare. So there wouldnt be much change in rate because insurers were already operating under the rules.
Health Insurance Premium Increase Sought By Big Company Citing Obamacare

 

[Greenbeard]

Yeah don't cherry pick Vermont, which already had laws in place similar to Obamacare. So there wouldnt be much change in rate because insurers were already operating under the rules.

You're not talking about the change in rates, champ, you're talking about what the rates are actually going to be (you gave an actual dollar amount--remember?). Vermont has stricter rules in place than the ACA requires, meaning its premiums are actually going to be higher than most plans offered in exchanges in other states.

And even they don't come anywhere near your absurd $20,000 figure for a bronze plan.

 

[Claudette]

This trainwreck is going to be anything but affordable.

The only winners will be thosse "subsidized" by we the taxpayer.

We will have to provide for ourselves, our families and theirs.

What does one expect from idiots who passed this POS without READING IT. They have no idea what they passed and we are all going to find that out.

Pelosi; We have to pass it before we know whats in it. What fucking morons she and Dem idiots who passed this POS are.

 

[francoHFW]

This trainwreck is going to be anything but affordable.

The only winners will be thosse "subsidized" by we the taxpayer.

We will have to provide for ourselves, our families and theirs.

What does one expect from idiots who passed this POS without READING IT. They have no idea what they passed and we are all going to find that out.

Pelosi; We have to pass it before we know whats in it. What fucking morons she and Dem idiots who passed this POS are.

She meant the publc won't get it till it starts. For example, you're a loudmouth chump who has no clue about how it works, or that it's already cutting costs, and all the horrors and fears Pubs have filled your empty head with have never happened. And Masscare and every other modern country prove it.

You already support all the freeloaders, but in the most expensive way, dingbat.

 

[paulitician]

It was all about Politics. They rammed a terrible piece of Legislation through. Most didn't even read it. Obamacare is going to be a nightmare. Even Obama has admitted recently that it is going to be much more costly than previously thought. The Mandate is another awful aspect of it. The IRS has been granted unprecedented powers. Parts, if not all of it should be repealed as soon as possible.

 

[francoHFW]

Not happening, and everything you know is bs propaganda. Masscare proves it...

 

[paulitician]

And wait till they grant Amnesty. This Welfare/Warfare State is definitely headed for a crash.

 

[Claudette]

This trainwreck is going to be anything but affordable.

The only winners will be thosse "subsidized" by we the taxpayer.

We will have to provide for ourselves, our families and theirs.

What does one expect from idiots who passed this POS without READING IT. They have no idea what they passed and we are all going to find that out.

Pelosi; We have to pass it before we know whats in it. What fucking morons she and Dem idiots who passed this POS are.

She meant the publc won't get it till it starts. For example, you're a loudmouth chump who has no clue about how it works, or that it's already cutting costs, and all the horrors and fears Pubs have filled your empty head with have never happened. And Masscare and every other modern country prove it.

You already support all the freeloaders, but in the most expensive way, dingbat.

Speaking of "loudmouthed chumps." Your one if I ever saw it.

I find it hard to believe that YOU acutally believe the ACA is going to be cheaper and better. Hell. The idiots who passed it didn't even read it.

Nothing the Govt has ever done has been cheaper or better. Its turned into a mountain of red tape, paperwork and bullshit.

The ACA is going to be a trainwreck and once folks get a load of how much its going to cost them believe me. They will be screaming like stuck pigs and regretting that they put jackass back in the WH. I also think the Dems are gonna take one big hit as well. After all. They rammed this POS bill through all on their lonesome. Hope they get axed in 2014.

As for supporting the freeloaders? I'd be happy to let you liberal idiots support em all. Believe me. They will take you for every dime they can and don't expect a big thanks. You OWE it to em.

 

[Antares]

Apparently Greenie has no idea wha a PPO plan is.

No surprise there.

Do us a favor and repost your "Vermont" brochure Dad.

 

[The Rabbi]

Yeah don't cherry pick Vermont, which already had laws in place similar to Obamacare. So there wouldnt be much change in rate because insurers were already operating under the rules.

You're not talking about the change in rates, champ, you're talking about what the rates are actually going to be (you gave an actual dollar amount--remember?). Vermont has stricter rules in place than the ACA requires, meaning its premiums are actually going to be higher than most plans offered in exchanges in other states.

And even they don't come anywhere near your absurd $20,000 figure for a bronze plan.

It is of course both.

Remind me how this was sold to lower health care costs. How was that supposed to happen, again?

 

[Greenbeard]

Yeah don't cherry pick Vermont, which already had laws in place similar to Obamacare. So there wouldnt be much change in rate because insurers were already operating under the rules.

You're not talking about the change in rates, champ, you're talking about what the rates are actually going to be (you gave an actual dollar amount--remember?). Vermont has stricter rules in place than the ACA requires, meaning its premiums are actually going to be higher than most plans offered in exchanges in other states.

And even they don't come anywhere near your absurd $20,000 figure for a bronze plan.

It is of course both.

Remind me how this was sold to lower health care costs. How was that supposed to happen, again?

We're experiencing the slowest health care price inflation since 1998 (virtually the only time in the last half century that the cost curve actually bent, which of course is a goal of the ACA), the slowest health spending growth in the 52 years that data has been tracked, and the lowest group health insurance premium increases since, again, 1998 according to Mercer. We've also seen literally hundreds of billions of dollars of Medicare and Medicaid obligations melt away over the next few years as health cost growth has slowed--Medicare per beneficiary cost growth last year was nearly zero.

 

[Lakhota]

States Lose Billions If They Reject Obamacare’s Medicaid Expansion | TPMDC

 

[The Rabbi]

You're not talking about the change in rates, champ, you're talking about what the rates are actually going to be (you gave an actual dollar amount--remember?). Vermont has stricter rules in place than the ACA requires, meaning its premiums are actually going to be higher than most plans offered in exchanges in other states.

And even they don't come anywhere near your absurd $20,000 figure for a bronze plan.

It is of course both.

Remind me how this was sold to lower health care costs. How was that supposed to happen, again?

We're experiencing the slowest health care price inflation since 1998 (virtually the only time in the last half century that the cost curve actually bent, which of course is a goal of the ACA), the slowest health spending growth in the 52 years that data has been tracked, and the lowest group health insurance premium increases since, again, 1998 according to Mercer. We've also seen literally hundreds of billions of dollars of Medicare and Medicaid obligations melt away over the next few years as health cost growth has slowed--Medicare per beneficiary cost growth last year was nearly zero.

No. Obamacare hasn't been implemented yet so you can't attribute slower spending growth, which is not the same as a reduction, to Obamacare.

I asked how Obamacare was supposed to lower health care costs. Remember that one? Bending down the cost curve? Ring any bells? Hello??

 

[Antares]

Greenie just makes shit up as he goes...or he finds a nice leftwing to "prove" his claims.

It is of course both.

Remind me how this was sold to lower health care costs. How was that supposed to happen, again?

We're experiencing the slowest health care price inflation since 1998 (virtually the only time in the last half century that the cost curve actually bent, which of course is a goal of the ACA), the slowest health spending growth in the 52 years that data has been tracked, and the lowest group health insurance premium increases since, again, 1998 according to Mercer. We've also seen literally hundreds of billions of dollars of Medicare and Medicaid obligations melt away over the next few years as health cost growth has slowed--Medicare per beneficiary cost growth last year was nearly zero.

No. Obamacare hasn't been implemented yet so you can't attribute slower spending growth, which is not the same as a reduction, to Obamacare.

I asked how Obamacare was supposed to lower health care costs. Remember that one? Bending down the cost curve? Ring any bells? Hello??

 

[Greenbeard]

No. Obamacare hasn't been implemented yet so you can't attribute slower spending growth, which is not the same as a reduction, to Obamacare.

Its payment and delivery system reforms have been launching for three years now.

I asked how Obamacare was supposed to lower health care costs. Remember that one? Bending down the cost curve? Ring any bells? Hello??

Bending the cost curve refers to slowing the rate of increase of health spending. That's what's happening now. Hence my point.