Windows 10 is

[WheelieAddict]

I like 7 better than ten but build a new comp I'm going with the new operating system too. I just try to disable most of microsoft's bullshit.

I did that then Microsucks began removing those blocks one at a time with their forced updates, when I could no longer completely block Cortana I reverted this laptop back to 8.1 but not long after that Microsucks placed their Store on 8.1 and I couldn't get rid of it, that was the last straw.

That fucking store is the biggest pain in the ass. It's not hard to mute Cortana. I have 10 pro gives you more control.

Not mute it, completely block it and all their telemetry. I could care less that M$ claims their data mining is harmless and helps the users more than M$, I'm not interested in providing it because they demand I do.

I know, every update makes it harder to block the data mining. You are convincing me to get better with Linux lol.

I moved over to Linux when Vista came out (bit of a learning curve back then) but returned to Windows with 7. It's only recently that I've jumped back over to Linux and in doing so tested out numerous Linux distros before settling on the one I like.

Yeah I played with linux with my old e4300 core2duo build motherboard died. I'm lazy I could just download a flavor of Linux and have two operating systems.

 

[Ringel05]

I did that then Microsucks began removing those blocks one at a time with their forced updates, when I could no longer completely block Cortana I reverted this laptop back to 8.1 but not long after that Microsucks placed their Store on 8.1 and I couldn't get rid of it, that was the last straw.

That fucking store is the biggest pain in the ass. It's not hard to mute Cortana. I have 10 pro gives you more control.

Not mute it, completely block it and all their telemetry. I could care less that M$ claims their data mining is harmless and helps the users more than M$, I'm not interested in providing it because they demand I do.

I know, every update makes it harder to block the data mining. You are convincing me to get better with Linux lol.

I moved over to Linux when Vista came out (bit of a learning curve back then) but returned to Windows with 7. It's only recently that I've jumped back over to Linux and in doing so tested out numerous Linux distros before settling on the one I like.

Yeah I played with linux with my old e4300 core2duo build motherboard died. I'm lazy I could just download a flavor of Linux and have two operating systems.

Well Ubuntu is ditching Unity and going with the Gnome 3 desktop, Mint still uses the Cinnamon desktop as their flagship distro, Fedora's gone Gnome 3 with their flagship distro but all three have KDE and LXDE lightweight OS's. Of course there's always Arch Linux to build your own from scratch and derivatives that offer the Arch experience with all the necessities pre-packaged.

 

[WheelieAddict]

That fucking store is the biggest pain in the ass. It's not hard to mute Cortana. I have 10 pro gives you more control.

Not mute it, completely block it and all their telemetry. I could care less that M$ claims their data mining is harmless and helps the users more than M$, I'm not interested in providing it because they demand I do.

I know, every update makes it harder to block the data mining. You are convincing me to get better with Linux lol.

I moved over to Linux when Vista came out (bit of a learning curve back then) but returned to Windows with 7. It's only recently that I've jumped back over to Linux and in doing so tested out numerous Linux distros before settling on the one I like.

Yeah I played with linux with my old e4300 core2duo build motherboard died. I'm lazy I could just download a flavor of Linux and have two operating systems.

Well Ubuntu is ditching Unity and going with the Gnome 3 desktop, Mint still uses the Cinnamon desktop as their flagship distro, Fedora's gone Gnome 3 with their flagship distro but all three have KDE and LXDE lightweight OS's. Of course there's always Arch Linux to build your own from scratch and derivatives that offer the Arch experience with all the necessities pre-packaged.

Yeah I'm going to have to brush up on all that stuff since it's been a while lol. Seriously though an independent OS needs to happen. I should try and do my part and not be lazy

 

[Ringel05]

Not mute it, completely block it and all their telemetry. I could care less that M$ claims their data mining is harmless and helps the users more than M$, I'm not interested in providing it because they demand I do.

I know, every update makes it harder to block the data mining. You are convincing me to get better with Linux lol.

I moved over to Linux when Vista came out (bit of a learning curve back then) but returned to Windows with 7. It's only recently that I've jumped back over to Linux and in doing so tested out numerous Linux distros before settling on the one I like.

Yeah I played with linux with my old e4300 core2duo build motherboard died. I'm lazy I could just download a flavor of Linux and have two operating systems.

Well Ubuntu is ditching Unity and going with the Gnome 3 desktop, Mint still uses the Cinnamon desktop as their flagship distro, Fedora's gone Gnome 3 with their flagship distro but all three have KDE and LXDE lightweight OS's. Of course there's always Arch Linux to build your own from scratch and derivatives that offer the Arch experience with all the necessities pre-packaged.

Yeah I'm going to have to brush up on all that stuff since it's been a while lol. Seriously though an independent OS needs to happen. I should try and do my part and not be lazy

Be lazy, use one of the main three distros and just configure it the way you want........

 

[WheelieAddict]

I know, every update makes it harder to block the data mining. You are convincing me to get better with Linux lol.

I moved over to Linux when Vista came out (bit of a learning curve back then) but returned to Windows with 7. It's only recently that I've jumped back over to Linux and in doing so tested out numerous Linux distros before settling on the one I like.

Yeah I played with linux with my old e4300 core2duo build motherboard died. I'm lazy I could just download a flavor of Linux and have two operating systems.

Well Ubuntu is ditching Unity and going with the Gnome 3 desktop, Mint still uses the Cinnamon desktop as their flagship distro, Fedora's gone Gnome 3 with their flagship distro but all three have KDE and LXDE lightweight OS's. Of course there's always Arch Linux to build your own from scratch and derivatives that offer the Arch experience with all the necessities pre-packaged.

Yeah I'm going to have to brush up on all that stuff since it's been a while lol. Seriously though an independent OS needs to happen. I should try and do my part and not be lazy

Be lazy, use one of the main three distros and just configure it the way you want........

You have convinced me to run with two operating systems. Seriously though I'm busy now but winter is coming and I will have extra time.

 

[Ringel05]

I moved over to Linux when Vista came out (bit of a learning curve back then) but returned to Windows with 7. It's only recently that I've jumped back over to Linux and in doing so tested out numerous Linux distros before settling on the one I like.

Yeah I played with linux with my old e4300 core2duo build motherboard died. I'm lazy I could just download a flavor of Linux and have two operating systems.

Well Ubuntu is ditching Unity and going with the Gnome 3 desktop, Mint still uses the Cinnamon desktop as their flagship distro, Fedora's gone Gnome 3 with their flagship distro but all three have KDE and LXDE lightweight OS's. Of course there's always Arch Linux to build your own from scratch and derivatives that offer the Arch experience with all the necessities pre-packaged.

Yeah I'm going to have to brush up on all that stuff since it's been a while lol. Seriously though an independent OS needs to happen. I should try and do my part and not be lazy

Be lazy, use one of the main three distros and just configure it the way you want........

You have convinced me to run with two operating systems. Seriously though I'm busy now but winter is coming and I will have extra time.

My personal choice is Mint Cinnamon with the Cinnamenu applet, a semi Gnome 3 style menu as I find the Gnome 3 desktop even less customizable than Unity was, others may disagree. The lightweight ones don't give me the bells and whistle I want and the KDE Plasma desktop while nice looking also doesn't give me what I want.

 

[Bleipriester]

Windows 10 really is a pile of crap though. Ahh the old days:

Not long ago I loaded XP on an older computer. While I loved XP way back when it's window layout now looks like something drawn in a comic book for people who need reading glasses, Win 7 beats XP hands down.
The only thing that really makes Win 10 a "pile of crap" is Microsoft's insistence on using it to turn everyone's PCs into Microsoft "workstations" other than that it's a fairly solid OS.

Yeah my joke was meant to be sarcastic, like an old guy pining for the old days. Gotta have windows 10 to play the latest vidya games anyways. 10 isn't bad after you modify it to your liking. My father won't leave windows 7 lol.

There's hardly any games out yet that require Win 10 to run so Win 7 is still more than enough. Microsoft continually removes our ability to modify 10 to our liking unless one is a coder and can rewrite Win 10 code, I'm not. That's why I reverted back to Win 7 on my gamer and Linux on everything else (except my wife's laptop and the Lenovo). The Lenovo is for sale........

I like 7 better than ten but build a new comp I'm going with the new operating system too. I just try to disable most of microsoft's bullshit.

I did that then Microsucks began removing those blocks one at a time with their forced updates, when I could no longer completely block Cortana I reverted this laptop back to 8.1 but not long after that Microsucks placed their Store on 8.1 and I couldn't get rid of it, that was the last straw.

So why can´t you get rid of the store?

 

[Ringel05]

Not long ago I loaded XP on an older computer. While I loved XP way back when it's window layout now looks like something drawn in a comic book for people who need reading glasses, Win 7 beats XP hands down.
The only thing that really makes Win 10 a "pile of crap" is Microsoft's insistence on using it to turn everyone's PCs into Microsoft "workstations" other than that it's a fairly solid OS.

Yeah my joke was meant to be sarcastic, like an old guy pining for the old days. Gotta have windows 10 to play the latest vidya games anyways. 10 isn't bad after you modify it to your liking. My father won't leave windows 7 lol.

There's hardly any games out yet that require Win 10 to run so Win 7 is still more than enough. Microsoft continually removes our ability to modify 10 to our liking unless one is a coder and can rewrite Win 10 code, I'm not. That's why I reverted back to Win 7 on my gamer and Linux on everything else (except my wife's laptop and the Lenovo). The Lenovo is for sale........

I like 7 better than ten but build a new comp I'm going with the new operating system too. I just try to disable most of microsoft's bullshit.

I did that then Microsucks began removing those blocks one at a time with their forced updates, when I could no longer completely block Cortana I reverted this laptop back to 8.1 but not long after that Microsucks placed their Store on 8.1 and I couldn't get rid of it, that was the last straw.

So why can´t you get rid of the store?

Because I'm not a programmer.

 

[Bleipriester]

Yeah my joke was meant to be sarcastic, like an old guy pining for the old days. Gotta have windows 10 to play the latest vidya games anyways. 10 isn't bad after you modify it to your liking. My father won't leave windows 7 lol.

There's hardly any games out yet that require Win 10 to run so Win 7 is still more than enough. Microsoft continually removes our ability to modify 10 to our liking unless one is a coder and can rewrite Win 10 code, I'm not. That's why I reverted back to Win 7 on my gamer and Linux on everything else (except my wife's laptop and the Lenovo). The Lenovo is for sale........

I like 7 better than ten but build a new comp I'm going with the new operating system too. I just try to disable most of microsoft's bullshit.

I did that then Microsucks began removing those blocks one at a time with their forced updates, when I could no longer completely block Cortana I reverted this laptop back to 8.1 but not long after that Microsucks placed their Store on 8.1 and I couldn't get rid of it, that was the last straw.

So why can´t you get rid of the store?

Because I'm not a programmer.

Check out Ultimate Windows Tweaker.

 

[Ringel05]

There's hardly any games out yet that require Win 10 to run so Win 7 is still more than enough. Microsoft continually removes our ability to modify 10 to our liking unless one is a coder and can rewrite Win 10 code, I'm not. That's why I reverted back to Win 7 on my gamer and Linux on everything else (except my wife's laptop and the Lenovo). The Lenovo is for sale........

I like 7 better than ten but build a new comp I'm going with the new operating system too. I just try to disable most of microsoft's bullshit.

I did that then Microsucks began removing those blocks one at a time with their forced updates, when I could no longer completely block Cortana I reverted this laptop back to 8.1 but not long after that Microsucks placed their Store on 8.1 and I couldn't get rid of it, that was the last straw.

So why can´t you get rid of the store?

Because I'm not a programmer.

Check out Ultimate Windows Tweaker.

Only to have M$ block it with the next enforced update, been there, done that, no longer interested.

 

[Bleipriester]

I like 7 better than ten but build a new comp I'm going with the new operating system too. I just try to disable most of microsoft's bullshit.

I did that then Microsucks began removing those blocks one at a time with their forced updates, when I could no longer completely block Cortana I reverted this laptop back to 8.1 but not long after that Microsucks placed their Store on 8.1 and I couldn't get rid of it, that was the last straw.

So why can´t you get rid of the store?

Because I'm not a programmer.

Check out Ultimate Windows Tweaker.

Only to have M$ block it with the next enforced update, been there, done that, no longer interested.

Windows 8.1 doesn´t have forced updates. UTW can disable the entire Windows Update module, anyway.

 

[Ringel05]

I did that then Microsucks began removing those blocks one at a time with their forced updates, when I could no longer completely block Cortana I reverted this laptop back to 8.1 but not long after that Microsucks placed their Store on 8.1 and I couldn't get rid of it, that was the last straw.

So why can´t you get rid of the store?

Because I'm not a programmer.

Check out Ultimate Windows Tweaker.

Only to have M$ block it with the next enforced update, been there, done that, no longer interested.

Windows 8.1 doesn´t have forced updates. UTW can disable the entire Windows Update module, anyway.

Understood but it's still a moot point, I no longer care.

 

[Bleipriester]

So why can´t you get rid of the store?

Because I'm not a programmer.

Check out Ultimate Windows Tweaker.

Only to have M$ block it with the next enforced update, been there, done that, no longer interested.

Windows 8.1 doesn´t have forced updates. UTW can disable the entire Windows Update module, anyway.

Understood but it's still a moot point, I no longer care.

And you have abandoned gaming, too?

 

[Ringel05]

Because I'm not a programmer.

Check out Ultimate Windows Tweaker.

Only to have M$ block it with the next enforced update, been there, done that, no longer interested.

Windows 8.1 doesn´t have forced updates. UTW can disable the entire Windows Update module, anyway.

Understood but it's still a moot point, I no longer care.

And you have abandoned gaming, too?

I still have my gaming machine running Win 7, I'll wait till 2020 to see where to go from there. If that means abandoning Windows only games then so be it.

 

[Bleipriester]

Check out Ultimate Windows Tweaker.

Only to have M$ block it with the next enforced update, been there, done that, no longer interested.

Windows 8.1 doesn´t have forced updates. UTW can disable the entire Windows Update module, anyway.

Understood but it's still a moot point, I no longer care.

And you have abandoned gaming, too?

I still have my gaming machine running Win 7, I'll wait till 2020 to see where to go from there. If that means abandoning Windows only games then so be it.

I´d just keep it. They´re ending support but it is very unlikely that this creates a security risk.

 

[Ringel05]

Only to have M$ block it with the next enforced update, been there, done that, no longer interested.

Windows 8.1 doesn´t have forced updates. UTW can disable the entire Windows Update module, anyway.

Understood but it's still a moot point, I no longer care.

And you have abandoned gaming, too?

I still have my gaming machine running Win 7, I'll wait till 2020 to see where to go from there. If that means abandoning Windows only games then so be it.

I´d just keep it. They´re ending support but it is very unlikely that this creates a security risk.

The primary thing I use it for is connecting to Steam or Origin other than that I never go online with it. I do the updates but have a list of which updates to hide and never install, I'm sure I can probably use it safely for another ten years even with some eventual hardware upgrades/replacements.

 

[Bleipriester]

I finally upgraded to Windows 10 using the Enterprise 2016 LTSB edition. The LTSB (Long Term Service Branch) does not receive Microsoft self-entertainment updates and keeps being the same like previous Windows versions do. It has also several other advantages over normal editions for me:

- No store/apps
- No Edge (Internet Explorer is included) (Well, I would prefer Edge but I use Opera, anyway)
- No Cortana
- Faster and better

Besides the usual improvement realized via tools like Startisback, OldNewExplorer and more I also managed to make it the most beautiful UI I had so far:

With this version, I avoid all the funny things MS does to the system with new Redstone/Fall/Creator "Updates" and am sure it will be the same tomorrow and work. On the other hand, if Windows 10 is required for some reason (e.g. new software, Dx12), Windows 10 is provided.

 

[Leo123]

I am using Win 10 for my work computers but I do have one running on XP and It works just fine....Unfortunately my business software requires Win 10 now.

That doesn't make sense. I cannot imagine any business system that would require 10 now

It's not a 'system' it's the SOFTWARE that won't run correctly on XP. The SOFTWARE includes OTHER links that DO require Win 10.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I am using Win 10 for my work computers but I do have one running on XP and It works just fine....Unfortunately my business software requires Win 10 now.

That doesn't make sense. I cannot imagine any business system that would require 10 now

It's not a 'system' it's the SOFTWARE that won't run correctly on XP. The SOFTWARE includes OTHER links that DO require Win 10.

? ummm...business system is a widespread term for software systems created for business use, typically a multi-faceted system of several software integrated togethr

 

[Spycraft]

I need an OS that will not be changed indiscriminately through forced updates. The customizations that I make to serve my needs could be useless as soon as another freaking "update" arrives. Then I would have to wait for the developers to adapt the tools.

It's because it's been proven that you're petulant child (the consumer) who can't protect their endpoints and so needs someone with some centralized control to do it for you.

Windows 10 is much more secure than Windows 7, and the laundry list for protecting Windows 7 is a checklist over 350 points long. I should know, I wrote it. If you want it I can post it here. Or some of it.

Fact is Windows 10 closes a number of attack vectors, such as "passing the hash" which you probably know little about, attacks which Windows 7 are buttnaked to.