Trump Why Trump Has My Vote Over Hillary

[LA RAM FAN]

I did mention them.

But he started out with several hundred thousand- and a loan of I believe 17 million from his dad. He did well with it- but we have had many businessmen who have started with less and achieved more.

I pointed out his major success- real estate. He also has been brilliant at establishing the Trump brand- which he sells all over the world- most projects with his name on it he has little to do with.

Now- why don't you tell us about the successes you think make him your choice for President.

I did. I gave a few in the OP.

When did it turn into 17 million?? I always hear 1 million. Just did as super quick search..


Donald Trump's father gave him a $1 million loan to start out—and
Oct 26, 2015 Donald Trump, Citing $1 Million Loan His Dad Gave Him to Start Out: “It Has Not Been Easy” One of the ways at least some presidential candidates give away their plutocratic borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business. But a million dollars isn't very much compared to what I built.
Source: www.slate.com

I was wrong- it was a 70 million dollar loan guarantee

Fred Trump — along with the Hyatt hotel chain — jointly guaranteed the $70 million construction loan from Manufacturers Hanover bank, “each assuming a 50 percent share of the obligation and each committing itself to complete the project should Donald be unable to finish it,” according to veteran Trump chronicler Wayne Barrett in his 1992 book, “Trump: The Deals and the Downfall.”
Fred Trump’s signature on the guarantee ensured the new hotel would get built. “No document in the long paper trail attached to the Commodore deal better demonstrated the lack of bank confidence in the Donald or the project, and none made clear the limits of his promoter role,” Barrett wrote. Trump simply did not have the credit or connections to obtain such financing on his own. “It was Fred’s two-decade-old relationship with a top Equitable officer, Ben Holloway, that had helped entice them to do the project.”
Trump’s false claim he built his empire with a ‘small loan’ from his father

. Well think goodness for the loan being 70 mill, because it was scary to think that Trump took a measly 1 mill, and then turned it into billions without being a little corrupt in doing so. Thanks. Trump claiming he did it with a small amount of money, was to feed his ego, and to suggest to us that we can do it also. I understand his motivation, and see nothing wrong with it.

that is why I am not sold on Trump like I was with Ron Paul.would be interesting to know exactly what he used that money he got for as well.

. Used it to make billions in which was quite good.

Good for himself yes,is there any evidence that he used it for good things like helping the homeless,animal rights,that sort of thing?
If there is,please post it.thanks.

 

[Kat]

Both parties got us here along with the aid of the big government loving media and now we can see their desires are not the desires of the American middle class. The working class is getting screwed. Government is too big and too powerful and too scary...just ask the tea party folks. Trump will be one of us in the oval office... a businessman a working man that earns money by creating businesses and jobs. We will have someone in the highest office in the land that dislikes the IRS...that is reason one in my book.

I Hope that is the case but Trump has been guilty of doing what corrupt politicians do,flip flop that is why I dont trust him and am not gung ho on him as I was with ron paul because paul was different than the croooked politicians,he was always consistant in doing what he said he would do and would not say one thing then contradict himself later like flip floppers do.Trump has flip flopped a couple times so that makes me wonder.

I don't know if it is real flip flopping, or if he has gone more into depth with what he stands for. and IF there is a flip flop, maybe he is actually listening to the people. Anything is possible.

I do know one thing. We all could be considered flip flopping at some time or another. That would be because we change our views. I know I have.

 

[Kat]

I did. I gave a few in the OP.

When did it turn into 17 million?? I always hear 1 million. Just did as super quick search..


Donald Trump's father gave him a $1 million loan to start out—and
Oct 26, 2015 Donald Trump, Citing $1 Million Loan His Dad Gave Him to Start Out: “It Has Not Been Easy” One of the ways at least some presidential candidates give away their plutocratic borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business. But a million dollars isn't very much compared to what I built.
Source: www.slate.com

I was wrong- it was a 70 million dollar loan guarantee

Fred Trump — along with the Hyatt hotel chain — jointly guaranteed the $70 million construction loan from Manufacturers Hanover bank, “each assuming a 50 percent share of the obligation and each committing itself to complete the project should Donald be unable to finish it,” according to veteran Trump chronicler Wayne Barrett in his 1992 book, “Trump: The Deals and the Downfall.”
Fred Trump’s signature on the guarantee ensured the new hotel would get built. “No document in the long paper trail attached to the Commodore deal better demonstrated the lack of bank confidence in the Donald or the project, and none made clear the limits of his promoter role,” Barrett wrote. Trump simply did not have the credit or connections to obtain such financing on his own. “It was Fred’s two-decade-old relationship with a top Equitable officer, Ben Holloway, that had helped entice them to do the project.”
Trump’s false claim he built his empire with a ‘small loan’ from his father

. Well think goodness for the loan being 70 mill, because it was scary to think that Trump took a measly 1 mill, and then turned it into billions without being a little corrupt in doing so. Thanks. Trump claiming he did it with a small amount of money, was to feed his ego, and to suggest to us that we can do it also. I understand his motivation, and see nothing wrong with it.

that is why I am not sold on Trump like I was with Ron Paul.would be interesting to know exactly what he used that money he got for as well.

. Used it to make billions in which was quite good.

Good for himself yes,is there any evidence that he used it for good things like helping the homeless,animal rights,that sort of thing?
If there is,please post it.thanks.

Trump? Yes, he has helped a lot of people over the years. I don't have time or inclination to hunt each up, so I am not going to. You can though..yep!

 

[Kat]

1. He is not Hillary
2. He is one of the best businessmen ever, and our country needs that for the economy.

Okay I completely get voting for someone because he or she is not the other candidate- so lets accept #1.

But #2- one of the best businessmen 'ever'?

Really?

By what measure?

He started with lots of money- and built it up to lots more money. He has done well with real estate, less well with casino's, he started a failed airline and several other failed business's. Along the way he used bankruptcy laws for his personal gain.

How do you think that experience would make him a good President?

He started with no where near what he has now. Not even close. He knows business.
I know of MANY that may have had a million or more, and they did nothing but lose it.

Why don't you name his successes rather than ''failures''?? Surely he has a couple.

I did mention them.

But he started out with several hundred thousand- and a loan of I believe 17 million from his dad. He did well with it- but we have had many businessmen who have started with less and achieved more.

I pointed out his major success- real estate. He also has been brilliant at establishing the Trump brand- which he sells all over the world- most projects with his name on it he has little to do with.

Now- why don't you tell us about the successes you think make him your choice for President.

I did. I gave a few in the OP.

When did it turn into 17 million?? I always hear 1 million. Just did as super quick search..


Donald Trump's father gave him a $1 million loan to start out—and
Oct 26, 2015 Donald Trump, Citing $1 Million Loan His Dad Gave Him to Start Out: “It Has Not Been Easy” One of the ways at least some presidential candidates give away their plutocratic borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business. But a million dollars isn't very much compared to what I built.
Source: www.slate.com

I was wrong- it was a 70 million dollar loan guarantee

Fred Trump — along with the Hyatt hotel chain — jointly guaranteed the $70 million construction loan from Manufacturers Hanover bank, “each assuming a 50 percent share of the obligation and each committing itself to complete the project should Donald be unable to finish it,” according to veteran Trump chronicler Wayne Barrett in his 1992 book, “Trump: The Deals and the Downfall.”
Fred Trump’s signature on the guarantee ensured the new hotel would get built. “No document in the long paper trail attached to the Commodore deal better demonstrated the lack of bank confidence in the Donald or the project, and none made clear the limits of his promoter role,” Barrett wrote. Trump simply did not have the credit or connections to obtain such financing on his own. “It was Fred’s two-decade-old relationship with a top Equitable officer, Ben Holloway, that had helped entice them to do the project.”
Trump’s false claim he built his empire with a ‘small loan’ from his father

Yeah we've all seen that (I assume), but initially he was give 1 mil.

 

[Kat]

Because I'm stupid and blithely accept that we are only allowed shitty leaders.

Trump may not be shitty. We have no way to know. Hillary on the other hand........

Awesome. You're voting for 'might not be shitty'. Is it any wonder we're so fucked?

That was a stupid an very lacking comment. Just looking for some way to be as smart a$$ I see.

REREAD what I wrote, and maybe this time you will see that that is NOT the reason I gave for why he would have my vote.

 

[Kat]

1. He is not Hillary
2. He is one of the best businessmen ever, and our country needs that for the economy.

Okay I completely get voting for someone because he or she is not the other candidate- so lets accept #1.

But #2- one of the best businessmen 'ever'?

Really?

By what measure?

He started with lots of money- and built it up to lots more money. He has done well with real estate, less well with casino's, he started a failed airline and several other failed business's. Along the way he used bankruptcy laws for his personal gain.

How do you think that experience would make him a good President?

He started with no where near what he has now. Not even close. He knows business.
I know of MANY that may have had a million or more, and they did nothing but lose it.

Why don't you name his successes rather than ''failures''?? Surely he has a couple.

I did mention them.

But he started out with several hundred thousand- and a loan of I believe 17 million from his dad. He did well with it- but we have had many businessmen who have started with less and achieved more.

I pointed out his major success- real estate. He also has been brilliant at establishing the Trump brand- which he sells all over the world- most projects with his name on it he has little to do with.

Now- why don't you tell us about the successes you think make him your choice for President.

I did. I gave a few in the OP.

No- you just claimed he was one of the best businessmen ever- and haven't provided any examples of what those are.

Yeah, I did. You are just not comprehending. Not my problem.

 

[Kat]

You know... there is something rather intriguing about Trump that no one ever seems to touch on. I'd like to take a moment to do this at this time...

Have you noticed his family is embarrassingly functional? His kids adore him... have nothing but praise for him. They are all smart and successful people who have good heads on their shoulders. Not even Ronald Reagan could claim this. By contrast, his was a very dysfunctional family... this one hates that one... this one didn't think Dad was all that great... that one liked him... the other one didn't... all over the board... But with Trump, all his family is 100% in his corner and thinks he is a brilliant man.

He doesn't have an addiction problem with alcohol or tobacco... or anything else (other than Twitter). He hasn't been involved in anything illegal or corrupt... oh, they make claims about his "university" and stuff, but purely unfounded allegations and speculations. This man has dealt in the highly-dirty world of real estate wheeling and dealing all his life and not so much as an unpaid traffic ticket. For a man of his means, he is incredibly clean and high in integrity.

Some will make the claim he is a narcissist... but that's also not exactly true. He surrounds himself with the best of the best... people who know what they're talking about and he follows their wisdom. What is often mistaken for narcissism is actually confidence. He has tremendous confidence.... that's not a BAD attribute for any leader.

Now.... that's not saying he is some kind of perfect being.... he is human and he makes his share of mistakes. He sometimes falters and fails in his personal life as well as professionally.... But, as people go, he's not really all that bad. He seems to have reasonably good ethics and character.... his mouth gets him in trouble sometimes and like Kat says, you want to just smack him... but all-in-all, he's a decent person and I think he genuinely cares about his country and wants to make it better.

He may well be a decent person- but I haven't really seen anything to indicate that 'he genuinely cares about this country' any more than any other politician.

I think its great that his kids are doing well and say good things about him- but remember he doesn't have one family- he has three families- for each of his three marriages. The result of him cheating on his first two wives.

Would that make him a bad President? I don't know how relevant it is- any more than how relevant it is that his kids from all of his wives are so normal for being the kids of a billionaire.

Always did love negativity. NOT.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Both parties got us here along with the aid of the big government loving media and now we can see their desires are not the desires of the American middle class. The working class is getting screwed. Government is too big and too powerful and too scary...just ask the tea party folks. Trump will be one of us in the oval office... a businessman a working man that earns money by creating businesses and jobs. We will have someone in the highest office in the land that dislikes the IRS...that is reason one in my book.

I Hope that is the case but Trump has been guilty of doing what corrupt politicians do,flip flop that is why I dont trust him and am not gung ho on him as I was with ron paul because paul was different than the croooked politicians,he was always consistant in doing what he said he would do and would not say one thing then contradict himself later like flip floppers do.Trump has flip flopped a couple times so that makes me wonder.

I don't know if it is real flip flopping, or if he has gone more into depth with what he stands for. and IF there is a flip flop, maybe he is actually listening to the people. Anything is possible.

I do know one thing. We all could be considered flip flopping at some time or another. That would be because we change our views. I know I have.

that could be true,thanks for pointing that out.

 

[gallantwarrior]

You had me at "He's not Hillary"!

I was listening to the radio last week and the talk show host put it this way: Behind door number one is a man eating lion. Behind door number two MIGHT be a man eating lion. You have to go through one of the doors. Which will you choose?

Not Hillary.

I give Kat my vote to Kat....Go Kat....."Make America Normal".........steve

Hey, Steve!

 

[gallantwarrior]

I did. I gave a few in the OP.

When did it turn into 17 million?? I always hear 1 million. Just did as super quick search..


Donald Trump's father gave him a $1 million loan to start out—and
Oct 26, 2015 Donald Trump, Citing $1 Million Loan His Dad Gave Him to Start Out: “It Has Not Been Easy” One of the ways at least some presidential candidates give away their plutocratic borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business. But a million dollars isn't very much compared to what I built.
Source: www.slate.com

I was wrong- it was a 70 million dollar loan guarantee

Fred Trump — along with the Hyatt hotel chain — jointly guaranteed the $70 million construction loan from Manufacturers Hanover bank, “each assuming a 50 percent share of the obligation and each committing itself to complete the project should Donald be unable to finish it,” according to veteran Trump chronicler Wayne Barrett in his 1992 book, “Trump: The Deals and the Downfall.”
Fred Trump’s signature on the guarantee ensured the new hotel would get built. “No document in the long paper trail attached to the Commodore deal better demonstrated the lack of bank confidence in the Donald or the project, and none made clear the limits of his promoter role,” Barrett wrote. Trump simply did not have the credit or connections to obtain such financing on his own. “It was Fred’s two-decade-old relationship with a top Equitable officer, Ben Holloway, that had helped entice them to do the project.”
Trump’s false claim he built his empire with a ‘small loan’ from his father

. Well think goodness for the loan being 70 mill, because it was scary to think that Trump took a measly 1 mill, and then turned it into billions without being a little corrupt in doing so. Thanks. Trump claiming he did it with a small amount of money, was to feed his ego, and to suggest to us that we can do it also. I understand his motivation, and see nothing wrong with it.

that is why I am not sold on Trump like I was with Ron Paul.would be interesting to know exactly what he used that money he got for as well.

. Used it to make billions in which was quite good.

Good for himself yes,is there any evidence that he used it for good things like helping the homeless,animal rights,that sort of thing?
If there is,please post it.thanks.

It's his money. He earned it and it is his to spend as he pleases...at least until gov-mint pols find some way to confiscating it to redistribute to those who did not earn it.

 

[Toro]

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[theliq]

1. He is not Hillary
2. He is one of the best businessmen ever, and our country needs that for the economy.

I have said time and again I am not a Party person, I vote for the individual.

Has Trump made screw up's? Umm yeah, like others I would like to smack him now and then. Feel the same about my husband (and I am sure he does me).

MY values are the same as ever. I am not like some that bought into Obama and actually voted for him, then pretend they didn't.
I saw through Obama from the beginning....and I mean long before he decided to run for President, he caught my eye, and I started studying him, never dreaming he would run for office.

LOL I never bought into the ''Change". Oh, but I guess he told the truth there, because things certainly have changed. Maybe the USA will survive, or maybe not,. But, I think the only possible chance is Trump.....for sure someone other than Hillary.


Any of you guys that are making fun of his hair...anything superficial...it doesn't wash in the end. I don't judge political figures for their looks (well except maybe Cruz with the booger on his lip /snort).

I think Trump DOES care about the country. I think Hillary cares about herself and power.

That's just a little of why he would get my vote over Hillary.

If he loses I have to accept it, but I sure would be scared for this country....and actually myself.
Just as I am now.

What reasons would you vote for him?

I could not have said it better myself.Yeah I saw right through Obama as well and knew he was a fraud just a couple months before he got elected.that he was no different than Bush.I had no idea he would be much worse,just that he was not there to serve us like many gullible blacks believed.

It was easy to see right through his facade because he is a member of the evil CFR group same as the clintons and bushs are so it was easy as pie to spot through his deception and lies and see that he was here just to serve the bankers instead of the people as every president since LBJ has.

what the LAMESTREAM media left out Obama when he was running is they had connections to terrorists,a member of the CFR,and mass murderer Henry Kissinger was his mentor in college.

The Clintons and Bushs are mass murderers so anybody with a brain would vote Trump over her.Trump is not connected to the CFR,not a mass murderer and is not connected to the CIA or other government institutions.

I am just glad that americas worst nightmare did not come true with another bush going against another clinton. thank god for that.

I am with dotcom as well in the anybody but Hillery camp.


everybody who has doubts about Trump NEEDS to watch this video.The video also shows why i dont completely trust Trump because there is one thing he says at the end that is an outright lie saying Iran wants to control the middle east and leaves out that Israel wants to rule the world.Everything else he is spot on though.

1. He is not Hillary
2. He is one of the best businessmen ever, and our country needs that for the economy.

Okay I completely get voting for someone because he or she is not the other candidate- so lets accept #1.

But #2- one of the best businessmen 'ever'?

Really?

By what measure?

He started with lots of money- and built it up to lots more money. He has done well with real estate, less well with casino's, he started a failed airline and several other failed business's. Along the way he used bankruptcy laws for his personal gain.

How do you think that experience would make him a good President?

He started with no where near what he has now. Not even close. He knows business.
I know of MANY that may have had a million or more, and they did nothing but lose it.

Why don't you name his successes rather than ''failures''?? Surely he has a couple.

I did mention them.

But he started out with several hundred thousand- and a loan of I believe 17 million from his dad. He did well with it- but we have had many businessmen who have started with less and achieved more.

I pointed out his major success- real estate. He also has been brilliant at establishing the Trump brand- which he sells all over the world- most projects with his name on it he has little to do with.

Now- why don't you tell us about the successes you think make him your choice for President.

I did. I gave a few in the OP.

No- you just claimed he was one of the best businessmen ever- and haven't provided any examples of what those are.

Guys and Ladies, I have been trawling various threads and I have noticed that very few of the posters ever do,"Due Dilligence" regarding your so called politicians or wanabees.........Firstly ALL Polititians LIE to you.......Full Stop and they always have,but still you don't care because they are telling you what you want to hear(Trump)is a great exponent of this,Lying has become acceptable to the voters even when you know it's a Lie because you like what you are being told...thus when reality arrives..the disappointment is greater

 

[Kat]

Guys and Ladies, I have been trawling various threads and I have noticed that very few of the posters ever do,"Due Dilligence" regarding your so called politicians or wanabees.........Firstly ALL Polititians LIE to you.......Full Stop and they always have,but still you don't care because they are telling you what you want to hear(Trump)is a great exponent of this,Lying has become acceptable to the voters even when you know it's a Lie because you like what you are being told...thus when reality arrives..the disappointment is greater

How do you know?

You are wrong about one thing for sure, because I care. What dear theliq do we have to choose from? WHO would you choose from what we have to choose from?

 

[Boss]

How do you know?

You are wrong about one thing for sure, because I care. What dear theliq do we have to choose from? WHO would you choose from what we have to choose from?

Kat, I believe what you are getting from him is the default neo-libertine straw man argument. This is how it works... Failing to convince you to accept their radical ideological philosophy, they work on getting you to at least accept an "all politicians are scum" viewpoint. Rationale being, if they cannot convert you, take you out of the game.

You nailed the important thing to note... these people have no answers. It's a cynical world view that we are fucked no matter what we do. Granted, many people might actually have such a viewpoint... they usually aren't found on political message boards. The mere fact that this dweeb felt inclined to comment tells you he doesn't believe his own bullshit.

 

[Kat]

How do you know?

You are wrong about one thing for sure, because I care. What dear theliq do we have to choose from? WHO would you choose from what we have to choose from?

Kat, I believe what you are getting from him is the default neo-libertine straw man argument. This is how it works... Failing to convince you to accept their radical ideological philosophy, they work on getting you to at least accept an "all politicians are scum" viewpoint. Rationale being, if they cannot convert you, take you out of the game.

You nailed the important thing to note... these people have no answers. It's a cynical world view that we are fucked no matter what we do. Granted, many people might actually have such a viewpoint... they usually aren't found on political message boards. The mere fact that this dweeb felt inclined to comment tells you he doesn't believe his own bullshit.

I think you have a very good point. Now I do like theliq, but he doesn't even live in this country, and I am not even sure he totally gets how our politics work.

 

[theliq]

How do you know?

You are wrong about one thing for sure, because I care. What dear theliq do we have to choose from? WHO would you choose from what we have to choose from?

Kat, I believe what you are getting from him is the default neo-libertine straw man argument. This is how it works... Failing to convince you to accept their radical ideological philosophy, they work on getting you to at least accept an "all politicians are scum" viewpoint. Rationale being, if they cannot convert you, take you out of the game.

You nailed the important thing to note... these people have no answers. It's a cynical world view that we are fucked no matter what we do. Granted, many people might actually have such a viewpoint... they usually aren't found on political message boards. The mere fact that this dweeb felt inclined to comment tells you he doesn't believe his own bullshit.

I think you have a very good point. Now I do like theliq, but he doesn't even live in this country, and I am not even sure he totally gets how our politics work.

Thanks Kat and Boss,....I totally dislike your form and or your type of elections.....for one it is a total waste of money...extreme and obscene.
The ridiculous carry on eg The Repub candidates,during the process they all abuse,demean and criticize each other......(Yet they all represent the same Political Party).....This I find most STRANGE,moreover whilst huge donations are more often than not given by VESTED INTRESTS (Who later demand their pound of flesh)..this in itself makes your system corrupt and the quality of your polititians sic..of very basic quality indeed........How can a Statesman arise in the American Electerol sic System when only a minute can afford to?????? no 99.999999999r% of Clever,Educated People will never be able to achieve the Party System of GRAFT...for that is what it is or becomes,Who really runs America.......Surely not the President that is for sure.

We have a great system,a more fair system......You can criticize what you don't understand but It's all shit off a DUCKS BACK TO ME.

I understand most of you are disheartened but you get what you vote for,trouble is all your Pollies are a cart load of Monkeys(No Insult intended) so I agree who else can you vote for???????? And therein lies your delemia.......sic..........out of 360 Million Souls.....you are attracting the wrong type of people........Full Stop..and some of you think that if someone has made a dubious self fortune,he is able to run the Great country of the USA,WRONG......That is self delusion,just sayin steve........and Boss ...I don't do BULLSHIT......I leave Lemmings like you to Spew Dross,and somehow it seems to suit you.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

1. He is not Hillary
2. He is one of the best businessmen ever, and our country needs that for the economy.

I have said time and again I am not a Party person, I vote for the individual.

Has Trump made screw up's? Umm yeah, like others I would like to smack him now and then. Feel the same about my husband (and I am sure he does me).

MY values are the same as ever. I am not like some that bought into Obama and actually voted for him, then pretend they didn't.
I saw through Obama from the beginning....and I mean long before he decided to run for President, he caught my eye, and I started studying him, never dreaming he would run for office.

LOL I never bought into the ''Change". Oh, but I guess he told the truth there, because things certainly have changed. Maybe the USA will survive, or maybe not,. But, I think the only possible chance is Trump.....for sure someone other than Hillary.


Any of you guys that are making fun of his hair...anything superficial...it doesn't wash in the end. I don't judge political figures for their looks (well except maybe Cruz with the booger on his lip /snort).

I think Trump DOES care about the country. I think Hillary cares about herself and power.

That's just a little of why he would get my vote over Hillary.

If he loses I have to accept it, but I sure would be scared for this country....and actually myself.
Just as I am now.

What reasons would you vote for him?

I could not have said it better myself.Yeah I saw right through Obama as well and knew he was a fraud just a couple months before he got elected.that he was no different than Bush.I had no idea he would be much worse,just that he was not there to serve us like many gullible blacks believed.

It was easy to see right through his facade because he is a member of the evil CFR group same as the clintons and bushs are so it was easy as pie to spot through his deception and lies and see that he was here just to serve the bankers instead of the people as every president since LBJ has.

what the LAMESTREAM media left out Obama when he was running is they had connections to terrorists,a member of the CFR,and mass murderer Henry Kissinger was his mentor in college.

The Clintons and Bushs are mass murderers so anybody with a brain would vote Trump over her.Trump is not connected to the CFR,not a mass murderer and is not connected to the CIA or other government institutions.

I am just glad that americas worst nightmare did not come true with another bush going against another clinton. thank god for that.

I am with dotcom as well in the anybody but Hillery camp.


everybody who has doubts about Trump NEEDS to watch this video.The video also shows why i dont completely trust Trump because there is one thing he says at the end that is an outright lie saying Iran wants to control the middle east and leaves out that Israel wants to rule the world.Everything else he is spot on though.

Okay I completely get voting for someone because he or she is not the other candidate- so lets accept #1.

But #2- one of the best businessmen 'ever'?

Really?

By what measure?

He started with lots of money- and built it up to lots more money. He has done well with real estate, less well with casino's, he started a failed airline and several other failed business's. Along the way he used bankruptcy laws for his personal gain.

How do you think that experience would make him a good President?

He started with no where near what he has now. Not even close. He knows business.
I know of MANY that may have had a million or more, and they did nothing but lose it.

Why don't you name his successes rather than ''failures''?? Surely he has a couple.

I did mention them.

But he started out with several hundred thousand- and a loan of I believe 17 million from his dad. He did well with it- but we have had many businessmen who have started with less and achieved more.

I pointed out his major success- real estate. He also has been brilliant at establishing the Trump brand- which he sells all over the world- most projects with his name on it he has little to do with.

Now- why don't you tell us about the successes you think make him your choice for President.

I did. I gave a few in the OP.

No- you just claimed he was one of the best businessmen ever- and haven't provided any examples of what those are.

Guys and Ladies, I have been trawling various threads and I have noticed that very few of the posters ever do,"Due Dilligence" regarding your so called politicians or wanabees.........Firstly ALL Polititians LIE to you.......Full Stop and they always have,but still you don't care because they are telling you what you want to hear(Trump)is a great exponent of this,Lying has become acceptable to the voters even when you know it's a Lie because you like what you are being told...thus when reality arrives..the disappointment is greater

You are just helping her proove her case for her WHY trump should be elected because thats just it,Trump is NOT a politician.Has he ever been a governor,mayor,or congressman before? No so it would be a refreshing change to have an outsider as president.

He wont get elected though.If he is really wants to stop the destruction of america and the world that Reagan got started and every president since then has contunied and expanded upon,I guarantee he wont get elected since he is not a globalist as the bushs and clintons and Obama and Romney and all the other candidates are.

They will do the same thing with him they did with ron paul in the last election if he is really for the american people as he says he is.Paul was the only candidate in the last election who believed in the constitution so the establishment rigged the elections to make sure he did not get the republican nomination.

Paul was the only one not part of the new world order agenda of the elite and the only non globalist so they invented rule changes at the last minute to make sure he did not get the election so if Trump is really not a globalist and on the level with everyone,people here are foolish if they think he will get elected.

I was gullible once before in the last election and bought into all the positive thinking out there since paul was leading in all the polls taken,he would get the republican nomination and have a chance of being the new president but i was thinking with me heart and not my head. fool me once,not twice.

Elections are rigged and they will make sure their next puppet Hillery is the next POTUS since they know she will be their willing puppet that will do everything they tell her to do and sabotogage Trumps campaine same as they did paul and also invent new rules at the last minute so he does not get elected.

that is what everyone here who is gullible into thinking he has a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected doesnt seem to understand why there is no chance he will since he is not a gloabalist same as paul wasnt which is why they fixed and destroyed his campaine so he did not get the nomination,they wil do the same with trump.

The reason the establishment was afraid of ron paul being president is he was ALWAYS consistant in everything he said he would do when he was a congressman.when he first got to washington he was a republican and knew reagan very well. Once he saw how corrupt they all were in washington and the REAL Ronald Reagan though,he got out of politics and became a doctor. He then got back into politics and became a congressman as an independent since he saw first hand how both parties are corrupt and there was no difference in the two.

the only reason he ran under the republican ticket in the last last election was because the independent never wins.Paul was a RINO which i am sure you know what that means right? lol

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Guys and Ladies, I have been trawling various threads and I have noticed that very few of the posters ever do,"Due Dilligence" regarding your so called politicians or wanabees.........Firstly ALL Polititians LIE to you.......Full Stop and they always have,but still you don't care because they are telling you what you want to hear(Trump)is a great exponent of this,Lying has become acceptable to the voters even when you know it's a Lie because you like what you are being told...thus when reality arrives..the disappointment is greater

How do you know?

You are wrong about one thing for sure, because I care. What dear theliq do we have to choose from? WHO would you choose from what we have to choose from?

yeah lets see,the choices are a mass murderer no different than Bush or Obama because she is pals with them and part of the new world order agenda they are and a globalist same as they or Trump,who is none of those. Gee who do you want in office running the country of the two? the same corruption with hillery or the change that Obama talked but LIED about but Trump would follow through on? what a hard choice there.

the difference between Obama and Trump is it was well known Obama was a member of the evil CFR group going in,Trump is not as of yet anyways.

 

[candycorn]

You know... there is something rather intriguing about Trump that no one ever seems to touch on. I'd like to take a moment to do this at this time...

Have you noticed his family is embarrassingly functional? His kids adore him... have nothing but praise for him. They are all smart and successful people who have good heads on their shoulders. Not even Ronald Reagan could claim this. By contrast, his was a very dysfunctional family... this one hates that one... this one didn't think Dad was all that great... that one liked him... the other one didn't... all over the board... But with Trump, all his family is 100% in his corner and thinks he is a brilliant man.

He doesn't have an addiction problem with alcohol or tobacco... or anything else (other than Twitter). He hasn't been involved in anything illegal or corrupt... oh, they make claims about his "university" and stuff, but purely unfounded allegations and speculations. This man has dealt in the highly-dirty world of real estate wheeling and dealing all his life and not so much as an unpaid traffic ticket. For a man of his means, he is incredibly clean and high in integrity.

Some will make the claim he is a narcissist... but that's also not exactly true. He surrounds himself with the best of the best... people who know what they're talking about and he follows their wisdom. What is often mistaken for narcissism is actually confidence. He has tremendous confidence.... that's not a BAD attribute for any leader.

Now.... that's not saying he is some kind of perfect being.... he is human and he makes his share of mistakes. He sometimes falters and fails in his personal life as well as professionally.... But, as people go, he's not really all that bad. He seems to have reasonably good ethics and character.... his mouth gets him in trouble sometimes and like Kat says, you want to just smack him... but all-in-all, he's a decent person and I think he genuinely cares about his country and wants to make it better.

Unfounded allegations and speculation are dismissed. The judge decided there was enough evidence to proceed to the trial phase of his fraud trial.

He’s was born rich, to his credit, got richer but has never experienced the consequences until now.

He couldn’t give 2 shits about this nation. Otherwise, when “nobody was looking” as beagle9 said, he would have had his clothing made in the USA. That is just one example.

He surrounds himself with the “best of the best”. Total bullshit. The behavior Ben Carson exhibited was characterized, by Drumpf as being that of a “child molester”. As soon as Carson conceded…Drumpf hired him.

Hillary’s victory is all but assured outside of her “stepping in it”. Can’t wait unit it happens.

 

[Boss]

You know... there is something rather intriguing about Trump that no one ever seems to touch on. I'd like to take a moment to do this at this time...

Have you noticed his family is embarrassingly functional? His kids adore him... have nothing but praise for him. They are all smart and successful people who have good heads on their shoulders. Not even Ronald Reagan could claim this. By contrast, his was a very dysfunctional family... this one hates that one... this one didn't think Dad was all that great... that one liked him... the other one didn't... all over the board... But with Trump, all his family is 100% in his corner and thinks he is a brilliant man.

He doesn't have an addiction problem with alcohol or tobacco... or anything else (other than Twitter). He hasn't been involved in anything illegal or corrupt... oh, they make claims about his "university" and stuff, but purely unfounded allegations and speculations. This man has dealt in the highly-dirty world of real estate wheeling and dealing all his life and not so much as an unpaid traffic ticket. For a man of his means, he is incredibly clean and high in integrity.

Some will make the claim he is a narcissist... but that's also not exactly true. He surrounds himself with the best of the best... people who know what they're talking about and he follows their wisdom. What is often mistaken for narcissism is actually confidence. He has tremendous confidence.... that's not a BAD attribute for any leader.

Now.... that's not saying he is some kind of perfect being.... he is human and he makes his share of mistakes. He sometimes falters and fails in his personal life as well as professionally.... But, as people go, he's not really all that bad. He seems to have reasonably good ethics and character.... his mouth gets him in trouble sometimes and like Kat says, you want to just smack him... but all-in-all, he's a decent person and I think he genuinely cares about his country and wants to make it better.

Unfounded allegations and speculation are dismissed. The judge decided there was enough evidence to proceed to the trial phase of his fraud trial.

He’s was born rich, to his credit, got richer but has never experienced the consequences until now.

He couldn’t give 2 shits about this nation. Otherwise, when “nobody was looking” as beagle9 said, he would have had his clothing made in the USA. That is just one example.

He surrounds himself with the “best of the best”. Total bullshit. The behavior Ben Carson exhibited was characterized, by Drumpf as being that of a “child molester”. As soon as Carson conceded…Drumpf hired him.

Hillary’s victory is all but assured outside of her “stepping in it”. Can’t wait unit it happens.

I'm glad you're SO fucking confident... Why don't you take the Summer off and save us having to listen to your tripe?