Trump Why Trump Has My Vote Over Hillary

[candycorn]

You know... there is something rather intriguing about Trump that no one ever seems to touch on. I'd like to take a moment to do this at this time...

Have you noticed his family is embarrassingly functional? His kids adore him... have nothing but praise for him. They are all smart and successful people who have good heads on their shoulders. Not even Ronald Reagan could claim this. By contrast, his was a very dysfunctional family... this one hates that one... this one didn't think Dad was all that great... that one liked him... the other one didn't... all over the board... But with Trump, all his family is 100% in his corner and thinks he is a brilliant man.

He doesn't have an addiction problem with alcohol or tobacco... or anything else (other than Twitter). He hasn't been involved in anything illegal or corrupt... oh, they make claims about his "university" and stuff, but purely unfounded allegations and speculations. This man has dealt in the highly-dirty world of real estate wheeling and dealing all his life and not so much as an unpaid traffic ticket. For a man of his means, he is incredibly clean and high in integrity.

Some will make the claim he is a narcissist... but that's also not exactly true. He surrounds himself with the best of the best... people who know what they're talking about and he follows their wisdom. What is often mistaken for narcissism is actually confidence. He has tremendous confidence.... that's not a BAD attribute for any leader.

Now.... that's not saying he is some kind of perfect being.... he is human and he makes his share of mistakes. He sometimes falters and fails in his personal life as well as professionally.... But, as people go, he's not really all that bad. He seems to have reasonably good ethics and character.... his mouth gets him in trouble sometimes and like Kat says, you want to just smack him... but all-in-all, he's a decent person and I think he genuinely cares about his country and wants to make it better.

Unfounded allegations and speculation are dismissed. The judge decided there was enough evidence to proceed to the trial phase of his fraud trial.

He’s was born rich, to his credit, got richer but has never experienced the consequences until now.

He couldn’t give 2 shits about this nation. Otherwise, when “nobody was looking” as beagle9 said, he would have had his clothing made in the USA. That is just one example.

He surrounds himself with the “best of the best”. Total bullshit. The behavior Ben Carson exhibited was characterized, by Drumpf as being that of a “child molester”. As soon as Carson conceded…Drumpf hired him.

Hillary’s victory is all but assured outside of her “stepping in it”. Can’t wait unit it happens.

I'm glad you're SO fucking confident... Why don't you take the Summer off and save us having to listen to your tripe?

Well, I'm paid to be here (or is it well-paid to be here???) as miketx pointed out so I have to show up every day and point out that Drumpf is light years behind Clinton in every aspect. Sorry.

It is incredibly easy.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

That Clinton is far better qualified to be president than Trump is clear for any rational person to see – blind partisan rightwing hacks notwithstanding.

 

[Boss]

Well, I'm paid to be here (or is it well-paid to be here???) as miketx pointed out so I have to show up every day and point out that Drumpf is light years behind Clinton in every aspect. Sorry.

It is incredibly easy.

Glad you explained how they have to pay people to say that... I was actually thinking you believed it.

 

[Boss]

That Clinton is far better qualified to be president than Trump is clear for any rational person to see – blind partisan rightwing hacks notwithstanding.

Are you getting paid to say that too, like candycorn?

 

[yiostheoy]

1. He is not Hillary
2. He is one of the best businessmen ever, and our country needs that for the economy.

I have said time and again I am not a Party person, I vote for the individual.

Has Trump made screw up's? Umm yeah, like others I would like to smack him now and then. Feel the same about my husband (and I am sure he does me).

MY values are the same as ever. I am not like some that bought into Obama and actually voted for him, then pretend they didn't.
I saw through Obama from the beginning....and I mean long before he decided to run for President, he caught my eye, and I started studying him, never dreaming he would run for office.

LOL I never bought into the ''Change". Oh, but I guess he told the truth there, because things certainly have changed. Maybe the USA will survive, or maybe not,. But, I think the only possible chance is Trump.....for sure someone other than Hillary.


Any of you guys that are making fun of his hair...anything superficial...it doesn't wash in the end. I don't judge political figures for their looks (well except maybe Cruz with the booger on his lip /snort).

I think Trump DOES care about the country. I think Hillary cares about herself and power.

That's just a little of why he would get my vote over Hillary.

If he loses I have to accept it, but I sure would be scared for this country....and actually myself.
Just as I am now.

What reasons would you vote for him?

My dear friend Kat, ...

My first choice was Christie, but then he indorsed Trump.

My second choice was Jeb, but then he gave up.

My third choice was Rubio, but then he quit too.

I hated Cruz all along plus he is Canadian and not qualified for POTUS anyway.

Now that Trump has jacked the GOP that leaves me fresh out of choices from that side.

This has forced me to re-evaluate Hillary and it is apparent that:

1 - she is more qualified than Trump in government and he is not qualified at all;

2 - she has more integrity than Trump while he has cheated more people than sand on any beach;

3 - she is more dignified and mentally stable than Trump will ever be;

4 - she has proved that she cares about people with her early attempts at ACA back in 1993.

So while Alabama will vote GOP again no matter who the candidate is again, the swing states (which Alabama is NOT) are likely to vote for Hillary.

 

[Boss]

1 - she is more qualified than Trump in government and he is not qualified at all;

2 - she has more integrity than Trump while he has cheated more people than sand on any beach;

3 - she is more dignified and mentally stable than Trump will ever be;

4 - she has proved that she cares about people with her early attempts at ACA back in 1993.

1- That's the whole point of Trump... he's NOT a government crony establishment elite. He is not corrupted by the system. He doesn't owe any special interest or lobby. He can't be bought off. He is very qualified in management. And it's the kind of management where people's livelihood and jobs are on the line.

2- She has ZERO integrity. She is a multi-millionaire who has never worked in the private sector... think about that.

3- I would have to see some proof of her mental stability and regardless, she is a total incompetent.

4- Nationalized Health Care has helped NO ONE!

 

[yiostheoy]

1 - she is more qualified than Trump in government and he is not qualified at all;

2 - she has more integrity than Trump while he has cheated more people than sand on any beach;

3 - she is more dignified and mentally stable than Trump will ever be;

4 - she has proved that she cares about people with her early attempts at ACA back in 1993.

1- That's the whole point of Trump... he's NOT a government crony establishment elite. He is not corrupted by the system. He doesn't owe any special interest or lobby. He can't be bought off. He is very qualified in management. And it's the kind of management where people's livelihood and jobs are on the line.

2- She has ZERO integrity. She is a multi-millionaire who has never worked in the private sector... think about that.

3- I would have to see some proof of her mental stability and regardless, she is a total incompetent.

4- Nationalized Health Care has helped NO ONE!

Trump is a rich dumb azz frat boy who never grew up.

He is so rich he was able to jack the GOP.

Now that he has jacked the GOP he has run out of available cash.

So Hillary is going to pommel him during the final stretch.

So far she is doing a good job. He is easy meat.

The GOP had several great choices but none of them survived Trump's hijacking.

Oh will, here goes another year with the GOP having a moron for their candidate.

 

[Boss]

Trump is a rich dumb azz frat boy who never grew up.

He is so rich he was able to jack the GOP.

Now that he has jacked the GOP he has run out of available cash.

So Hillary is going to pommel him during the final stretch.

So far she is doing a good job. He is easy meat.

The GOP had several great choices but none of them survived Trump's hijacking.

Oh will, here goes another year with the GOP having a moron for their candidate.

And what excuse are you going to conjure up if he wins? You are already convoluted with your reasoning... he's so rich he bought off the GOP nomination but he's now so broke he can't win the general? If you're counting on Trump running out of money, that's kind of desperate if you ask me.

The GOP establishment failed to get behind the one man who could have beaten Trump in the primaries until it was far too late. They didn't ever like Cruz and they let their pride get in the way of their thinking. Now they have Trump as their candidate.

Maybe you missed his 40-minute speech in New York last week? You know, the one Billary felt so compelled to respond to immediately with an incoherent screeching rant full of blunders that just made her look more incompetent. You know things are bad when you've got Joe Biden out there speaking for you.

Trump is going to continue to pound that message all the way to November. And honestly, I don't even think Ted Cruz could have been so effective. You are facing a candidate you can't smear and paint with the Republican brush like you've been used to doing. You can't hang Bush and Iraq around his neck. But he sure can hang Obama around yours and Hillary's.

And.... we're not even talking about Hillary's scandals. She is currently under criminal investigation... and I don't care what speculations are being floated out there... this is serious. Whether she is totally cleared by the FBI or not, this will be a major problem. In fact, it might be MORE of a problem if the FBI totally clears her of all wrongdoing because there will be the appearance of something unethical going on behind the scenes. No one has that much smoke without a little fire.

 

[jon_berzerk]

1. He is not Hillary
2. He is one of the best businessmen ever, and our country needs that for the economy.

Okay I completely get voting for someone because he or she is not the other candidate- so lets accept #1.

But #2- one of the best businessmen 'ever'?

Really?

By what measure?

He started with lots of money- and built it up to lots more money. He has done well with real estate, less well with casino's, he started a failed airline and several other failed business's. Along the way he used bankruptcy laws for his personal gain.

How do you think that experience would make him a good President?

He started with no where near what he has now. Not even close. He knows business.
I know of MANY that may have had a million or more, and they did nothing but lose it.

Why don't you name his successes rather than ''failures''?? Surely he has a couple.

I did mention them.

But he started out with several hundred thousand- and a loan of I believe 17 million from his dad. He did well with it- but we have had many businessmen who have started with less and achieved more.

I pointed out his major success- real estate. He also has been brilliant at establishing the Trump brand- which he sells all over the world- most projects with his name on it he has little to do with.

Now- why don't you tell us about the successes you think make him your choice for President.

I did. I gave a few in the OP.

When did it turn into 17 million?? I always hear 1 million. Just did as super quick search..


Donald Trump's father gave him a $1 million loan to start out—and
Oct 26, 2015 Donald Trump, Citing $1 Million Loan His Dad Gave Him to Start Out: “It Has Not Been Easy” One of the ways at least some presidential candidates give away their plutocratic borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business. But a million dollars isn't very much compared to what I built.
Source: www.slate.com

I was wrong- it was a 70 million dollar loan guarantee

Fred Trump — along with the Hyatt hotel chain — jointly guaranteed the $70 million construction loan from Manufacturers Hanover bank, “each assuming a 50 percent share of the obligation and each committing itself to complete the project should Donald be unable to finish it,” according to veteran Trump chronicler Wayne Barrett in his 1992 book, “Trump: The Deals and the Downfall.”
Fred Trump’s signature on the guarantee ensured the new hotel would get built. “No document in the long paper trail attached to the Commodore deal better demonstrated the lack of bank confidence in the Donald or the project, and none made clear the limits of his promoter role,” Barrett wrote. Trump simply did not have the credit or connections to obtain such financing on his own. “It was Fred’s two-decade-old relationship with a top Equitable officer, Ben Holloway, that had helped entice them to do the project.”
Trump’s false claim he built his empire with a ‘small loan’ from his father

I was wrong

yes you are

a loan guarantee is not a loan

 

[miketx]

Well, I'm paid to be here (or is it well-paid to be here???) as miketx pointed out so I have to show up every day and point out that Drumpf is light years behind Clinton in every aspect. Sorry.

It is incredibly easy.

Yes, it is easy. The ease with which lies escape your mouth that is.

 

[Syriusly]

Okay I completely get voting for someone because he or she is not the other candidate- so lets accept #1.

But #2- one of the best businessmen 'ever'?

Really?

By what measure?

He started with lots of money- and built it up to lots more money. He has done well with real estate, less well with casino's, he started a failed airline and several other failed business's. Along the way he used bankruptcy laws for his personal gain.

How do you think that experience would make him a good President?

He started with no where near what he has now. Not even close. He knows business.
I know of MANY that may have had a million or more, and they did nothing but lose it.

Why don't you name his successes rather than ''failures''?? Surely he has a couple.

I did mention them.

But he started out with several hundred thousand- and a loan of I believe 17 million from his dad. He did well with it- but we have had many businessmen who have started with less and achieved more.

I pointed out his major success- real estate. He also has been brilliant at establishing the Trump brand- which he sells all over the world- most projects with his name on it he has little to do with.

Now- why don't you tell us about the successes you think make him your choice for President.

I did. I gave a few in the OP.

When did it turn into 17 million?? I always hear 1 million. Just did as super quick search..


Donald Trump's father gave him a $1 million loan to start out—and
Oct 26, 2015 Donald Trump, Citing $1 Million Loan His Dad Gave Him to Start Out: “It Has Not Been Easy” One of the ways at least some presidential candidates give away their plutocratic borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business. But a million dollars isn't very much compared to what I built.
Source: www.slate.com

I was wrong- it was a 70 million dollar loan guarantee

Fred Trump — along with the Hyatt hotel chain — jointly guaranteed the $70 million construction loan from Manufacturers Hanover bank, “each assuming a 50 percent share of the obligation and each committing itself to complete the project should Donald be unable to finish it,” according to veteran Trump chronicler Wayne Barrett in his 1992 book, “Trump: The Deals and the Downfall.”
Fred Trump’s signature on the guarantee ensured the new hotel would get built. “No document in the long paper trail attached to the Commodore deal better demonstrated the lack of bank confidence in the Donald or the project, and none made clear the limits of his promoter role,” Barrett wrote. Trump simply did not have the credit or connections to obtain such financing on his own. “It was Fred’s two-decade-old relationship with a top Equitable officer, Ben Holloway, that had helped entice them to do the project.”
Trump’s false claim he built his empire with a ‘small loan’ from his father

I was wrong

yes you are

a loan guarantee is not a loan

Will you give me a 70 million dollar loan guarantee?

With that 70 million dollars, I too could build an empire all by myself.......

 

[Syriusly]

1 - she is more qualified than Trump in government and he is not qualified at all;

2 - she has more integrity than Trump while he has cheated more people than sand on any beach;

3 - she is more dignified and mentally stable than Trump will ever be;

4 - she has proved that she cares about people with her early attempts at ACA back in 1993.

1- That's the whole point of Trump... he's NOT a government crony establishment elite. He is not corrupted by the system. He doesn't owe any special interest or lobby. He can't be bought off. He is very qualified in management. And it's the kind of management where people's livelihood and jobs are on the line.

Trump has been playing the system for decades- he is as corrupted as any of the power players.

He doesn't owe any special interests- he works for one special interest- himself. He doesn't need to be bought off- since his primary interest increasing his personal wealth and power.

His management style has included among other things:

• Using bankruptcy laws to enrich himself at the expense of others
• Using eminent domain laws to attempt to take away the property of others for his personal enrichment.
• Hiring foreign workers, instead of American workers for his Florida resort properties.

Trump has always focused on enriching Trump- and on getting Trump on TV.

Why you think that will translate into a President that will work for Americans beats me.

 

[jon_berzerk]

He started with no where near what he has now. Not even close. He knows business.
I know of MANY that may have had a million or more, and they did nothing but lose it.

Why don't you name his successes rather than ''failures''?? Surely he has a couple.

I did mention them.

But he started out with several hundred thousand- and a loan of I believe 17 million from his dad. He did well with it- but we have had many businessmen who have started with less and achieved more.

I pointed out his major success- real estate. He also has been brilliant at establishing the Trump brand- which he sells all over the world- most projects with his name on it he has little to do with.

Now- why don't you tell us about the successes you think make him your choice for President.

I did. I gave a few in the OP.

When did it turn into 17 million?? I always hear 1 million. Just did as super quick search..


Donald Trump's father gave him a $1 million loan to start out—and
Oct 26, 2015 Donald Trump, Citing $1 Million Loan His Dad Gave Him to Start Out: “It Has Not Been Easy” One of the ways at least some presidential candidates give away their plutocratic borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business. But a million dollars isn't very much compared to what I built.
Source: www.slate.com

I was wrong- it was a 70 million dollar loan guarantee

Fred Trump — along with the Hyatt hotel chain — jointly guaranteed the $70 million construction loan from Manufacturers Hanover bank, “each assuming a 50 percent share of the obligation and each committing itself to complete the project should Donald be unable to finish it,” according to veteran Trump chronicler Wayne Barrett in his 1992 book, “Trump: The Deals and the Downfall.”
Fred Trump’s signature on the guarantee ensured the new hotel would get built. “No document in the long paper trail attached to the Commodore deal better demonstrated the lack of bank confidence in the Donald or the project, and none made clear the limits of his promoter role,” Barrett wrote. Trump simply did not have the credit or connections to obtain such financing on his own. “It was Fred’s two-decade-old relationship with a top Equitable officer, Ben Holloway, that had helped entice them to do the project.”
Trump’s false claim he built his empire with a ‘small loan’ from his father

I was wrong

yes you are

a loan guarantee is not a loan

Will you give me a 70 million dollar loan guarantee?

With that 70 million dollars, I too could build an empire all by myself.......

no why would i

but you should take the time to learn

the difference between a loan and a loan guarantee

before you make yourself look all the more stupid

 

[Syriusly]

I did mention them.

But he started out with several hundred thousand- and a loan of I believe 17 million from his dad. He did well with it- but we have had many businessmen who have started with less and achieved more.

I pointed out his major success- real estate. He also has been brilliant at establishing the Trump brand- which he sells all over the world- most projects with his name on it he has little to do with.

Now- why don't you tell us about the successes you think make him your choice for President.

I did. I gave a few in the OP.

When did it turn into 17 million?? I always hear 1 million. Just did as super quick search..


Donald Trump's father gave him a $1 million loan to start out—and
Oct 26, 2015 Donald Trump, Citing $1 Million Loan His Dad Gave Him to Start Out: “It Has Not Been Easy” One of the ways at least some presidential candidates give away their plutocratic borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business. But a million dollars isn't very much compared to what I built.
Source: www.slate.com

I was wrong- it was a 70 million dollar loan guarantee

Fred Trump — along with the Hyatt hotel chain — jointly guaranteed the $70 million construction loan from Manufacturers Hanover bank, “each assuming a 50 percent share of the obligation and each committing itself to complete the project should Donald be unable to finish it,” according to veteran Trump chronicler Wayne Barrett in his 1992 book, “Trump: The Deals and the Downfall.”
Fred Trump’s signature on the guarantee ensured the new hotel would get built. “No document in the long paper trail attached to the Commodore deal better demonstrated the lack of bank confidence in the Donald or the project, and none made clear the limits of his promoter role,” Barrett wrote. Trump simply did not have the credit or connections to obtain such financing on his own. “It was Fred’s two-decade-old relationship with a top Equitable officer, Ben Holloway, that had helped entice them to do the project.”
Trump’s false claim he built his empire with a ‘small loan’ from his father

I was wrong

yes you are

a loan guarantee is not a loan

Will you give me a 70 million dollar loan guarantee?

With that 70 million dollars, I too could build an empire all by myself.......

no why would i

but you should take the time to learn

the difference between a loan and a loan guarantee

before you make yourself look all the more stupid

LOL- I know the difference between a loan and a loan guarantee.

I originally spoke from my memory of a 17 million dollar loan his father gave him.
I was wrong- and when I checked I realized that he had 'only' gotten a 70 million dollar loan guarantee because of his father.

Yep- Trump the original rags to riches story.

 

[jon_berzerk]

I did. I gave a few in the OP.

When did it turn into 17 million?? I always hear 1 million. Just did as super quick search..


Donald Trump's father gave him a $1 million loan to start out—and
Oct 26, 2015 Donald Trump, Citing $1 Million Loan His Dad Gave Him to Start Out: “It Has Not Been Easy” One of the ways at least some presidential candidates give away their plutocratic borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business. But a million dollars isn't very much compared to what I built.
Source: www.slate.com

I was wrong- it was a 70 million dollar loan guarantee

Fred Trump — along with the Hyatt hotel chain — jointly guaranteed the $70 million construction loan from Manufacturers Hanover bank, “each assuming a 50 percent share of the obligation and each committing itself to complete the project should Donald be unable to finish it,” according to veteran Trump chronicler Wayne Barrett in his 1992 book, “Trump: The Deals and the Downfall.”
Fred Trump’s signature on the guarantee ensured the new hotel would get built. “No document in the long paper trail attached to the Commodore deal better demonstrated the lack of bank confidence in the Donald or the project, and none made clear the limits of his promoter role,” Barrett wrote. Trump simply did not have the credit or connections to obtain such financing on his own. “It was Fred’s two-decade-old relationship with a top Equitable officer, Ben Holloway, that had helped entice them to do the project.”
Trump’s false claim he built his empire with a ‘small loan’ from his father

I was wrong

yes you are

a loan guarantee is not a loan

Will you give me a 70 million dollar loan guarantee?

With that 70 million dollars, I too could build an empire all by myself.......

no why would i

but you should take the time to learn

the difference between a loan and a loan guarantee

before you make yourself look all the more stupid

LOL- I know the difference between a loan and a loan guarantee.

I originally spoke from my memory of a 17 million dollar loan his father gave him.
I was wrong- and when I checked I realized that he had 'only' gotten a 70 million dollar loan guarantee because of his father.

Yep- Trump the original rags to riches story.

glad you looked it up and learned something today

 

[theliq]

1. He is not Hillary
2. He is one of the best businessmen ever, and our country needs that for the economy.

I have said time and again I am not a Party person, I vote for the individual.

Has Trump made screw up's? Umm yeah, like others I would like to smack him now and then. Feel the same about my husband (and I am sure he does me).

MY values are the same as ever. I am not like some that bought into Obama and actually voted for him, then pretend they didn't.
I saw through Obama from the beginning....and I mean long before he decided to run for President, he caught my eye, and I started studying him, never dreaming he would run for office.

LOL I never bought into the ''Change". Oh, but I guess he told the truth there, because things certainly have changed. Maybe the USA will survive, or maybe not,. But, I think the only possible chance is Trump.....for sure someone other than Hillary.


Any of you guys that are making fun of his hair...anything superficial...it doesn't wash in the end. I don't judge political figures for their looks (well except maybe Cruz with the booger on his lip /snort).

I think Trump DOES care about the country. I think Hillary cares about herself and power.

That's just a little of why he would get my vote over Hillary.

If he loses I have to accept it, but I sure would be scared for this country....and actually myself.
Just as I am now.

What reasons would you vote for him?

I could not have said it better myself.Yeah I saw right through Obama as well and knew he was a fraud just a couple months before he got elected.that he was no different than Bush.I had no idea he would be much worse,just that he was not there to serve us like many gullible blacks believed.

It was easy to see right through his facade because he is a member of the evil CFR group same as the clintons and bushs are so it was easy as pie to spot through his deception and lies and see that he was here just to serve the bankers instead of the people as every president since LBJ has.

what the LAMESTREAM media left out Obama when he was running is they had connections to terrorists,a member of the CFR,and mass murderer Henry Kissinger was his mentor in college.

The Clintons and Bushs are mass murderers so anybody with a brain would vote Trump over her.Trump is not connected to the CFR,not a mass murderer and is not connected to the CIA or other government institutions.

I am just glad that americas worst nightmare did not come true with another bush going against another clinton. thank god for that.

I am with dotcom as well in the anybody but Hillery camp.


everybody who has doubts about Trump NEEDS to watch this video.The video also shows why i dont completely trust Trump because there is one thing he says at the end that is an outright lie saying Iran wants to control the middle east and leaves out that Israel wants to rule the world.Everything else he is spot on though.

He started with no where near what he has now. Not even close. He knows business.
I know of MANY that may have had a million or more, and they did nothing but lose it.

Why don't you name his successes rather than ''failures''?? Surely he has a couple.

I did mention them.

But he started out with several hundred thousand- and a loan of I believe 17 million from his dad. He did well with it- but we have had many businessmen who have started with less and achieved more.

I pointed out his major success- real estate. He also has been brilliant at establishing the Trump brand- which he sells all over the world- most projects with his name on it he has little to do with.

Now- why don't you tell us about the successes you think make him your choice for President.

I did. I gave a few in the OP.

No- you just claimed he was one of the best businessmen ever- and haven't provided any examples of what those are.

Guys and Ladies, I have been trawling various threads and I have noticed that very few of the posters ever do,"Due Dilligence" regarding your so called politicians or wanabees.........Firstly ALL Polititians LIE to you.......Full Stop and they always have,but still you don't care because they are telling you what you want to hear(Trump)is a great exponent of this,Lying has become acceptable to the voters even when you know it's a Lie because you like what you are being told...thus when reality arrives..the disappointment is greater

You are just helping her proove her case for her WHY trump should be elected because thats just it,Trump is NOT a politician.Has he ever been a governor,mayor,or congressman before? No so it would be a refreshing change to have an outsider as president.

He wont get elected though.If he is really wants to stop the destruction of america and the world that Reagan got started and every president since then has contunied and expanded upon,I guarantee he wont get elected since he is not a globalist as the bushs and clintons and Obama and Romney and all the other candidates are.

They will do the same thing with him they did with ron paul in the last election if he is really for the american people as he says he is.Paul was the only candidate in the last election who believed in the constitution so the establishment rigged the elections to make sure he did not get the republican nomination.

Paul was the only one not part of the new world order agenda of the elite and the only non globalist so they invented rule changes at the last minute to make sure he did not get the election so if Trump is really not a globalist and on the level with everyone,people here are foolish if they think he will get elected.

I was gullible once before in the last election and bought into all the positive thinking out there since paul was leading in all the polls taken,he would get the republican nomination and have a chance of being the new president but i was thinking with me heart and not my head. fool me once,not twice.

Elections are rigged and they will make sure their next puppet Hillery is the next POTUS since they know she will be their willing puppet that will do everything they tell her to do and sabotogage Trumps campaine same as they did paul and also invent new rules at the last minute so he does not get elected.

that is what everyone here who is gullible into thinking he has a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected doesnt seem to understand why there is no chance he will since he is not a gloabalist same as paul wasnt which is why they fixed and destroyed his campaine so he did not get the nomination,they wil do the same with trump.

The reason the establishment was afraid of ron paul being president is he was ALWAYS consistant in everything he said he would do when he was a congressman.when he first got to washington he was a republican and knew reagan very well. Once he saw how corrupt they all were in washington and the REAL Ronald Reagan though,he got out of politics and became a doctor. He then got back into politics and became a congressman as an independent since he saw first hand how both parties are corrupt and there was no difference in the two.

the only reason he ran under the republican ticket in the last last election was because the independent never wins.Paul was a RINO which i am sure you know what that means right? lol

All I am saying 9/11 is that I don't think he is capable of running the United States,that is my opinion,OPINION and for many reasons,...he will be a disaster....I cannot see him being President,dispite me living in Australia.......I will be proven right,let us see............anyhow Americans deserve better(IN MY OPINION)steve

 

[theliq]

I did. I gave a few in the OP.

When did it turn into 17 million?? I always hear 1 million. Just did as super quick search..


Donald Trump's father gave him a $1 million loan to start out—and
Oct 26, 2015 Donald Trump, Citing $1 Million Loan His Dad Gave Him to Start Out: “It Has Not Been Easy” One of the ways at least some presidential candidates give away their plutocratic borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business. But a million dollars isn't very much compared to what I built.
Source: www.slate.com

I was wrong- it was a 70 million dollar loan guarantee

Fred Trump — along with the Hyatt hotel chain — jointly guaranteed the $70 million construction loan from Manufacturers Hanover bank, “each assuming a 50 percent share of the obligation and each committing itself to complete the project should Donald be unable to finish it,” according to veteran Trump chronicler Wayne Barrett in his 1992 book, “Trump: The Deals and the Downfall.”
Fred Trump’s signature on the guarantee ensured the new hotel would get built. “No document in the long paper trail attached to the Commodore deal better demonstrated the lack of bank confidence in the Donald or the project, and none made clear the limits of his promoter role,” Barrett wrote. Trump simply did not have the credit or connections to obtain such financing on his own. “It was Fred’s two-decade-old relationship with a top Equitable officer, Ben Holloway, that had helped entice them to do the project.”
Trump’s false claim he built his empire with a ‘small loan’ from his father

I was wrong

yes you are

a loan guarantee is not a loan

Will you give me a 70 million dollar loan guarantee?

With that 70 million dollars, I too could build an empire all by myself.......

no why would i

but you should take the time to learn

the difference between a loan and a loan guarantee

before you make yourself look all the more stupid

LOL- I know the difference between a loan and a loan guarantee.

I originally spoke from my memory of a 17 million dollar loan his father gave him.
I was wrong- and when I checked I realized that he had 'only' gotten a 70 million dollar loan guarantee because of his father.

Yep- Trump the original rags to riches story.

Well it was NEVER A RAGS TO RICHES STORY AT ALL......Trump was born with a Silver Spoon in His Mouth.......you know little yet you are American!!!!!!!HOW COME ??????steve

 

[Kat]

1. He is not Hillary
2. He is one of the best businessmen ever, and our country needs that for the economy.

I have said time and again I am not a Party person, I vote for the individual.

Has Trump made screw up's? Umm yeah, like others I would like to smack him now and then. Feel the same about my husband (and I am sure he does me).

MY values are the same as ever. I am not like some that bought into Obama and actually voted for him, then pretend they didn't.
I saw through Obama from the beginning....and I mean long before he decided to run for President, he caught my eye, and I started studying him, never dreaming he would run for office.

LOL I never bought into the ''Change". Oh, but I guess he told the truth there, because things certainly have changed. Maybe the USA will survive, or maybe not,. But, I think the only possible chance is Trump.....for sure someone other than Hillary.


Any of you guys that are making fun of his hair...anything superficial...it doesn't wash in the end. I don't judge political figures for their looks (well except maybe Cruz with the booger on his lip /snort).

I think Trump DOES care about the country. I think Hillary cares about herself and power.

That's just a little of why he would get my vote over Hillary.

If he loses I have to accept it, but I sure would be scared for this country....and actually myself.
Just as I am now.

What reasons would you vote for him?

I could not have said it better myself.Yeah I saw right through Obama as well and knew he was a fraud just a couple months before he got elected.that he was no different than Bush.I had no idea he would be much worse,just that he was not there to serve us like many gullible blacks believed.

It was easy to see right through his facade because he is a member of the evil CFR group same as the clintons and bushs are so it was easy as pie to spot through his deception and lies and see that he was here just to serve the bankers instead of the people as every president since LBJ has.

what the LAMESTREAM media left out Obama when he was running is they had connections to terrorists,a member of the CFR,and mass murderer Henry Kissinger was his mentor in college.

The Clintons and Bushs are mass murderers so anybody with a brain would vote Trump over her.Trump is not connected to the CFR,not a mass murderer and is not connected to the CIA or other government institutions.

I am just glad that americas worst nightmare did not come true with another bush going against another clinton. thank god for that.

I am with dotcom as well in the anybody but Hillery camp.


everybody who has doubts about Trump NEEDS to watch this video.The video also shows why i dont completely trust Trump because there is one thing he says at the end that is an outright lie saying Iran wants to control the middle east and leaves out that Israel wants to rule the world.Everything else he is spot on though.

I did mention them.

But he started out with several hundred thousand- and a loan of I believe 17 million from his dad. He did well with it- but we have had many businessmen who have started with less and achieved more.

I pointed out his major success- real estate. He also has been brilliant at establishing the Trump brand- which he sells all over the world- most projects with his name on it he has little to do with.

Now- why don't you tell us about the successes you think make him your choice for President.

I did. I gave a few in the OP.

No- you just claimed he was one of the best businessmen ever- and haven't provided any examples of what those are.

Guys and Ladies, I have been trawling various threads and I have noticed that very few of the posters ever do,"Due Dilligence" regarding your so called politicians or wanabees.........Firstly ALL Polititians LIE to you.......Full Stop and they always have,but still you don't care because they are telling you what you want to hear(Trump)is a great exponent of this,Lying has become acceptable to the voters even when you know it's a Lie because you like what you are being told...thus when reality arrives..the disappointment is greater

You are just helping her proove her case for her WHY trump should be elected because thats just it,Trump is NOT a politician.Has he ever been a governor,mayor,or congressman before? No so it would be a refreshing change to have an outsider as president.

He wont get elected though.If he is really wants to stop the destruction of america and the world that Reagan got started and every president since then has contunied and expanded upon,I guarantee he wont get elected since he is not a globalist as the bushs and clintons and Obama and Romney and all the other candidates are.

They will do the same thing with him they did with ron paul in the last election if he is really for the american people as he says he is.Paul was the only candidate in the last election who believed in the constitution so the establishment rigged the elections to make sure he did not get the republican nomination.

Paul was the only one not part of the new world order agenda of the elite and the only non globalist so they invented rule changes at the last minute to make sure he did not get the election so if Trump is really not a globalist and on the level with everyone,people here are foolish if they think he will get elected.

I was gullible once before in the last election and bought into all the positive thinking out there since paul was leading in all the polls taken,he would get the republican nomination and have a chance of being the new president but i was thinking with me heart and not my head. fool me once,not twice.

Elections are rigged and they will make sure their next puppet Hillery is the next POTUS since they know she will be their willing puppet that will do everything they tell her to do and sabotogage Trumps campaine same as they did paul and also invent new rules at the last minute so he does not get elected.

that is what everyone here who is gullible into thinking he has a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected doesnt seem to understand why there is no chance he will since he is not a gloabalist same as paul wasnt which is why they fixed and destroyed his campaine so he did not get the nomination,they wil do the same with trump.

The reason the establishment was afraid of ron paul being president is he was ALWAYS consistant in everything he said he would do when he was a congressman.when he first got to washington he was a republican and knew reagan very well. Once he saw how corrupt they all were in washington and the REAL Ronald Reagan though,he got out of politics and became a doctor. He then got back into politics and became a congressman as an independent since he saw first hand how both parties are corrupt and there was no difference in the two.

the only reason he ran under the republican ticket in the last last election was because the independent never wins.Paul was a RINO which i am sure you know what that means right? lol

All I am saying 9/11 is that I don't think he is capable of running the United States,that is my opinion,OPINION and for many reasons,...he will be a disaster....I cannot see him being President,dispite me living in Australia.......I will be proven right,let us see............anyhow Americans deserve better(IN MY OPINION)steve

IF he does get in.............I hope you are wrong. We. Need. A. Leader.

 

[theliq]

1. He is not Hillary
2. He is one of the best businessmen ever, and our country needs that for the economy.

I have said time and again I am not a Party person, I vote for the individual.

Has Trump made screw up's? Umm yeah, like others I would like to smack him now and then. Feel the same about my husband (and I am sure he does me).

MY values are the same as ever. I am not like some that bought into Obama and actually voted for him, then pretend they didn't.
I saw through Obama from the beginning....and I mean long before he decided to run for President, he caught my eye, and I started studying him, never dreaming he would run for office.

LOL I never bought into the ''Change". Oh, but I guess he told the truth there, because things certainly have changed. Maybe the USA will survive, or maybe not,. But, I think the only possible chance is Trump.....for sure someone other than Hillary.


Any of you guys that are making fun of his hair...anything superficial...it doesn't wash in the end. I don't judge political figures for their looks (well except maybe Cruz with the booger on his lip /snort).

I think Trump DOES care about the country. I think Hillary cares about herself and power.

That's just a little of why he would get my vote over Hillary.

If he loses I have to accept it, but I sure would be scared for this country....and actually myself.
Just as I am now.

What reasons would you vote for him?

I could not have said it better myself.Yeah I saw right through Obama as well and knew he was a fraud just a couple months before he got elected.that he was no different than Bush.I had no idea he would be much worse,just that he was not there to serve us like many gullible blacks believed.

It was easy to see right through his facade because he is a member of the evil CFR group same as the clintons and bushs are so it was easy as pie to spot through his deception and lies and see that he was here just to serve the bankers instead of the people as every president since LBJ has.

what the LAMESTREAM media left out Obama when he was running is they had connections to terrorists,a member of the CFR,and mass murderer Henry Kissinger was his mentor in college.

The Clintons and Bushs are mass murderers so anybody with a brain would vote Trump over her.Trump is not connected to the CFR,not a mass murderer and is not connected to the CIA or other government institutions.

I am just glad that americas worst nightmare did not come true with another bush going against another clinton. thank god for that.

I am with dotcom as well in the anybody but Hillery camp.


everybody who has doubts about Trump NEEDS to watch this video.The video also shows why i dont completely trust Trump because there is one thing he says at the end that is an outright lie saying Iran wants to control the middle east and leaves out that Israel wants to rule the world.Everything else he is spot on though.

I did. I gave a few in the OP.

No- you just claimed he was one of the best businessmen ever- and haven't provided any examples of what those are.

Guys and Ladies, I have been trawling various threads and I have noticed that very few of the posters ever do,"Due Dilligence" regarding your so called politicians or wanabees.........Firstly ALL Polititians LIE to you.......Full Stop and they always have,but still you don't care because they are telling you what you want to hear(Trump)is a great exponent of this,Lying has become acceptable to the voters even when you know it's a Lie because you like what you are being told...thus when reality arrives..the disappointment is greater

You are just helping her proove her case for her WHY trump should be elected because thats just it,Trump is NOT a politician.Has he ever been a governor,mayor,or congressman before? No so it would be a refreshing change to have an outsider as president.

He wont get elected though.If he is really wants to stop the destruction of america and the world that Reagan got started and every president since then has contunied and expanded upon,I guarantee he wont get elected since he is not a globalist as the bushs and clintons and Obama and Romney and all the other candidates are.

They will do the same thing with him they did with ron paul in the last election if he is really for the american people as he says he is.Paul was the only candidate in the last election who believed in the constitution so the establishment rigged the elections to make sure he did not get the republican nomination.

Paul was the only one not part of the new world order agenda of the elite and the only non globalist so they invented rule changes at the last minute to make sure he did not get the election so if Trump is really not a globalist and on the level with everyone,people here are foolish if they think he will get elected.

I was gullible once before in the last election and bought into all the positive thinking out there since paul was leading in all the polls taken,he would get the republican nomination and have a chance of being the new president but i was thinking with me heart and not my head. fool me once,not twice.

Elections are rigged and they will make sure their next puppet Hillery is the next POTUS since they know she will be their willing puppet that will do everything they tell her to do and sabotogage Trumps campaine same as they did paul and also invent new rules at the last minute so he does not get elected.

that is what everyone here who is gullible into thinking he has a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected doesnt seem to understand why there is no chance he will since he is not a gloabalist same as paul wasnt which is why they fixed and destroyed his campaine so he did not get the nomination,they wil do the same with trump.

The reason the establishment was afraid of ron paul being president is he was ALWAYS consistant in everything he said he would do when he was a congressman.when he first got to washington he was a republican and knew reagan very well. Once he saw how corrupt they all were in washington and the REAL Ronald Reagan though,he got out of politics and became a doctor. He then got back into politics and became a congressman as an independent since he saw first hand how both parties are corrupt and there was no difference in the two.

the only reason he ran under the republican ticket in the last last election was because the independent never wins.Paul was a RINO which i am sure you know what that means right? lol

All I am saying 9/11 is that I don't think he is capable of running the United States,that is my opinion,OPINION and for many reasons,...he will be a disaster....I cannot see him being President,dispite me living in Australia.......I will be proven right,let us see............anyhow Americans deserve better(IN MY OPINION)steve

IF he does get in.............I hope you are wrong. We. Need. A. Leader.

Let's see Kat..........steve

 

[yiostheoy]

Trump is a rich dumb azz frat boy who never grew up.

He is so rich he was able to jack the GOP.

Now that he has jacked the GOP he has run out of available cash.

So Hillary is going to pommel him during the final stretch.

So far she is doing a good job. He is easy meat.

The GOP had several great choices but none of them survived Trump's hijacking.

Oh will, here goes another year with the GOP having a moron for their candidate.

And what excuse are you going to conjure up if he wins? You are already convoluted with your reasoning... he's so rich he bought off the GOP nomination but he's now so broke he can't win the general? If you're counting on Trump running out of money, that's kind of desperate if you ask me.

The GOP establishment failed to get behind the one man who could have beaten Trump in the primaries until it was far too late. They didn't ever like Cruz and they let their pride get in the way of their thinking. Now they have Trump as their candidate.

Maybe you missed his 40-minute speech in New York last week? You know, the one Billary felt so compelled to respond to immediately with an incoherent screeching rant full of blunders that just made her look more incompetent. You know things are bad when you've got Joe Biden out there speaking for you.

Trump is going to continue to pound that message all the way to November. And honestly, I don't even think Ted Cruz could have been so effective. You are facing a candidate you can't smear and paint with the Republican brush like you've been used to doing. You can't hang Bush and Iraq around his neck. But he sure can hang Obama around yours and Hillary's.

And.... we're not even talking about Hillary's scandals. She is currently under criminal investigation... and I don't care what speculations are being floated out there... this is serious. Whether she is totally cleared by the FBI or not, this will be a major problem. In fact, it might be MORE of a problem if the FBI totally clears her of all wrongdoing because there will be the appearance of something unethical going on behind the scenes. No one has that much smoke without a little fire.

I cannot imagine someone who pisses off all the major minorities to win any of the swing states.

To win swing states you need very broad appeal.

Trump has very narrow appeal and then only in the red states.

There are even those news commentators who fear Trump will lose some of the red states as well.

There are even some that fear he will lose Senate and House seats as well as red states.

So I would say the odds of a Trump win is like the odds of a snowball in Hell.