Why the need for Senate impeachment witnesses is invalid.

[toobfreak]

The House is suppose to present the facts of the impeachment.
Why didn't they call witnesses for Trump in the House?
Simple answer and not many people are given the FACTS which is the fault of the GOP especially.
The Executive branch has a RIGHT to take the House witness requests to SCOTUS.
But the Democrats didn't want to have this go to SCOTUS for one reason. Time.
The Democrats wanted to speed up the impeachment process and since they had the majority in the house
there was no need.
So now the Senate does NOT need any more witnesses.

The evidence in their file sent to the Senate contained all the evidence they needed to find Trump guilty for impeachment. Remember Nancy's "Forever Impeached?" So why now the need to bring forth more witnesses? Are the Dems admitting their case is full of holes?

The Dems were stonewalled by a corrupt POTUS. Even his lawyer admits as much.

Alan Dershowitz called Trump corrupt in 2016 and said he could be corrupt as President - CNNPolitics

And as part of Trump's delaying tactics if the House had called Bolton,et.al. then the Executive branch would claim executive privilege.
At that point then the House would have taken the Executive branch to SCOTUS to determine "Executive privilege" was legal.
BUT the Democrats were anxious to get this done BEFORE the 2020 elections. Knowing that the general public would be very
disgusted by the waste of time and these same Democrats would be voted out of the majority in the House.
Bye bye impeachment!

Trump has not claimed executive privilege on anything regarding the impeachment inquiry yet, even for the people that were subpoenaed. The Trump administration could drag this out in court for years. Once this Congress ends next Jan, the subpoena's disappear.

Trump's lawyers are alleging that the court case could be settled by then, but Trump's other lawyers are in court delaying these rulings to the greatest degree possible.

This is not a way for a country to be run.

Part of the problem lies in the fact that Pelosi never actually held a vote on wether to begin impeachment proceedings before they actually began.

To be more specific, it was contingent upon the House to take a vote to subpoena the evidence, they never did. Instead, in keeping with their timetable, they tried to do an end around to speed things up with only the subcommittee on Intelligence voting for them~~ ~~ they haven't the authority (legal standing) to do that. On the advice of the Dept. of Justice, Trump's people rejected the subpoenas on the grounds that they were constitutionally invalid, with the offer to resolve the matter in the court, but instead, the House withdrew them, again to save time, then used that as basis for their hilarious "Article II." "Obstruction of Congress."

And they have the nerve to talk of "abuse of power."

Now they hope to get the Senate to finish their investigation for them after the investigation was formally concluded December 13!

 

[Obiwan]

The evidence in their file sent to the Senate contained all the evidence they needed to find Trump guilty for impeachment. Remember Nancy's "Forever Impeached?" So why now the need to bring forth more witnesses? Are the Dems admitting their case is full of holes?

The Dems were stonewalled by a corrupt POTUS. Even his lawyer admits as much.

Alan Dershowitz called Trump corrupt in 2016 and said he could be corrupt as President - CNNPolitics

And as part of Trump's delaying tactics if the House had called Bolton,et.al. then the Executive branch would claim executive privilege.
At that point then the House would have taken the Executive branch to SCOTUS to determine "Executive privilege" was legal.
BUT the Democrats were anxious to get this done BEFORE the 2020 elections. Knowing that the general public would be very
disgusted by the waste of time and these same Democrats would be voted out of the majority in the House.
Bye bye impeachment!

Trump has not claimed executive privilege on anything regarding the impeachment inquiry yet, even for the people that were subpoenaed. The Trump administration could drag this out in court for years. Once this Congress ends next Jan, the subpoena's disappear.

Trump's lawyers are alleging that the court case could be settled by then, but Trump's other lawyers are in court delaying these rulings to the greatest degree possible.

This is not a way for a country to be run.

Part of the problem lies in the fact that Pelosi never actually held a vote on wether to begin impeachment proceedings before they actually began.

What is that a problem? Standing House committees have subpoena power. Subpoenas were ignored even after the vote was held.

And the Democrats failed to take that matter to court...

Face it, Democrats fuck up everything they touch!!!

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

The evidence in their file sent to the Senate contained all the evidence they needed to find Trump guilty for impeachment. Remember Nancy's "Forever Impeached?" So why now the need to bring forth more witnesses? Are the Dems admitting their case is full of holes?

The Dems were stonewalled by a corrupt POTUS. Even his lawyer admits as much.

Alan Dershowitz called Trump corrupt in 2016 and said he could be corrupt as President - CNNPolitics

Dumb ass, I suppose you didn't see Dershowitz's speech the other day. Now you look just like the fool you are.

Dershowitz has been contradicting himself. He has no principles. He looks like a fool.

Shiff looks a long way from being credible. In fact lieing clown comes to mind but he was chosen to head a portion of the impeachment and is one of the main house impeachment managers. So your point is?

He’s more truthful than Trump’s team.

So you dont beleive the witnesses testimony Nazi,Schifty and Chuckie picked and Trumps team played for you? Ignoring facts. You get a gold star on your leftist card.

 

[jc456]

again, if witnesses are really what they want, then the senate must dismiss these two articles and tell the house to relitigate with their new witnesses and re-present any new articles. That's how it is set up in the constitution.

I'm not so sure about that. Would that reasoning apply to the President's witnesses as well?

As a practical approach, wouldn't it be better for the Senate to vote (and acquit) on the articles that have been submitted? This would create a negative public impression of double jeopardy if the House tried to resubmit them.

well sure. I was providing all with what was necessary if additional witnesses were needed. It would be done in the house.

 

[toobfreak]

The Dems were stonewalled by a corrupt POTUS.

DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH, Komrad. Trump hasn't done anything illegal or out of the ordinary. The House literally impeached him for exercising his rights under the advice of the Dept. of Justice! Then they celebrated with gold pens. "We got Him!" This is an election year, an extraordinary circumstance, they aren't trying to impeach Donald, they are trying to have him removed from the ballot leaving them the de facto party to win! Not on your life.

It just shows how hypocritical the Trumpistas are, since they don't even care that Trump's own lawyer called him corrupt! It'd be funny, if it weren't so sad.

No hypocrisy, you stupid pig bladder. You obviously didn't watch Dershowitz's testimony the other day. He was highly critical of Trump in general in not agreeing with his POLICIES. He is not there as lawyer for Trump, jerkoff, he is there as lawyer for the Constitution, and to try to prevent any further shitting on it by the Democrats.

 

[Maxdeath]

The evidence in their file sent to the Senate contained all the evidence they needed to find Trump guilty for impeachment. Remember Nancy's "Forever Impeached?" So why now the need to bring forth more witnesses? Are the Dems admitting their case is full of holes?

The Dems were stonewalled by a corrupt POTUS. Even his lawyer admits as much.

Alan Dershowitz called Trump corrupt in 2016 and said he could be corrupt as President - CNNPolitics

Dumb ass, I suppose you didn't see Dershowitz's speech the other day. Now you look just like the fool you are.

Dershowitz has been contradicting himself. He has no principles. He looks like a fool.

Shiff looks a long way from being credible. In fact lieing clown comes to mind but he was chosen to head a portion of the impeachment and is one of the main house impeachment managers. So your point is?

He’s more truthful than Trump’s team.

You mean the guy that claimed for over two years that he had incontrovertible proof the Trump colluded with Russia? The guy that lied about what was in the transcript of the Ukraine call? The fellow that can't seem to tell the same story of how long he met with the whistleblower or if he met with him at all?
You have a very partisan and funny idea of truthful.

 

[colfax_m]

The Dems were stonewalled by a corrupt POTUS. Even his lawyer admits as much.

Alan Dershowitz called Trump corrupt in 2016 and said he could be corrupt as President - CNNPolitics

Dumb ass, I suppose you didn't see Dershowitz's speech the other day. Now you look just like the fool you are.

Dershowitz has been contradicting himself. He has no principles. He looks like a fool.

Shiff looks a long way from being credible. In fact lieing clown comes to mind but he was chosen to head a portion of the impeachment and is one of the main house impeachment managers. So your point is?

He’s more truthful than Trump’s team.

You mean the guy that claimed for over two years that he had incontrovertible proof the Trump colluded with Russia? The guy that lied about what was in the transcript of the Ukraine call? The fellow that can't seem to tell the same story of how long he met with the whistleblower or if he met with him at all?
You have a very partisan and funny idea of truthful.

Trump tower meeting was with Russians, was it not? He didn't lie about the transcript, you guys just can't tell when someone is making a parody.

Trump has made so many claims about Ukraine that are false, it's enough to make you dizzy.

 

[Brain357]

Repubs sure don’t want the facts.

 

[colfax_m]

The Dems were stonewalled by a corrupt POTUS. Even his lawyer admits as much.

Alan Dershowitz called Trump corrupt in 2016 and said he could be corrupt as President - CNNPolitics

Dumb ass, I suppose you didn't see Dershowitz's speech the other day. Now you look just like the fool you are.

Dershowitz has been contradicting himself. He has no principles. He looks like a fool.

Shiff looks a long way from being credible. In fact lieing clown comes to mind but he was chosen to head a portion of the impeachment and is one of the main house impeachment managers. So your point is?

He’s more truthful than Trump’s team.

So you dont beleive the witnesses testimony Nazi,Schifty and Chuckie picked and Trumps team played for you? Ignoring facts. You get a gold star on your leftist card.

I'm not ignoring facts. I'm just honest enough to look at all the facts.

 

[Maxdeath]

The evidence in their file sent to the Senate contained all the evidence they needed to find Trump guilty for impeachment. Remember Nancy's "Forever Impeached?" So why now the need to bring forth more witnesses? Are the Dems admitting their case is full of holes?

The Dems were stonewalled by a corrupt POTUS. Even his lawyer admits as much.

Alan Dershowitz called Trump corrupt in 2016 and said he could be corrupt as President - CNNPolitics

And as part of Trump's delaying tactics if the House had called Bolton,et.al. then the Executive branch would claim executive privilege.
At that point then the House would have taken the Executive branch to SCOTUS to determine "Executive privilege" was legal.
BUT the Democrats were anxious to get this done BEFORE the 2020 elections. Knowing that the general public would be very
disgusted by the waste of time and these same Democrats would be voted out of the majority in the House.
Bye bye impeachment!

Trump has not claimed executive privilege on anything regarding the impeachment inquiry yet, even for the people that were subpoenaed. The Trump administration could drag this out in court for years. Once this Congress ends next Jan, the subpoena's disappear.

Trump's lawyers are alleging that the court case could be settled by then, but Trump's other lawyers are in court delaying these rulings to the greatest degree possible.

This is not a way for a country to be run.

Part of the problem lies in the fact that Pelosi never actually held a vote on wether to begin impeachment proceedings before they actually began.

What is that a problem? Standing House committees have subpoena power. Subpoenas were ignored even after the vote was held.

Funny how laws actually get in the way. There was supposed to be a vote before the impeachment process takes place.
Anyone can ignore a subpoena from the house especially if proper procedure is not followed. There is that damn law in the way again.

If the House was really serious they could actually follow the law. The problem is you don't follow the law expect to lose.

 

[colfax_m]

The Dems were stonewalled by a corrupt POTUS. Even his lawyer admits as much.

Alan Dershowitz called Trump corrupt in 2016 and said he could be corrupt as President - CNNPolitics

And as part of Trump's delaying tactics if the House had called Bolton,et.al. then the Executive branch would claim executive privilege.
At that point then the House would have taken the Executive branch to SCOTUS to determine "Executive privilege" was legal.
BUT the Democrats were anxious to get this done BEFORE the 2020 elections. Knowing that the general public would be very
disgusted by the waste of time and these same Democrats would be voted out of the majority in the House.
Bye bye impeachment!

Trump has not claimed executive privilege on anything regarding the impeachment inquiry yet, even for the people that were subpoenaed. The Trump administration could drag this out in court for years. Once this Congress ends next Jan, the subpoena's disappear.

Trump's lawyers are alleging that the court case could be settled by then, but Trump's other lawyers are in court delaying these rulings to the greatest degree possible.

This is not a way for a country to be run.

Part of the problem lies in the fact that Pelosi never actually held a vote on wether to begin impeachment proceedings before they actually began.

What is that a problem? Standing House committees have subpoena power. Subpoenas were ignored even after the vote was held.

And the Democrats failed to take that matter to court...

Face it, Democrats fuck up everything they touch!!!

So what? They don't need to take it to court. They took it to impeachment.

 

[colfax_m]

The Dems were stonewalled by a corrupt POTUS. Even his lawyer admits as much.

Alan Dershowitz called Trump corrupt in 2016 and said he could be corrupt as President - CNNPolitics

And as part of Trump's delaying tactics if the House had called Bolton,et.al. then the Executive branch would claim executive privilege.
At that point then the House would have taken the Executive branch to SCOTUS to determine "Executive privilege" was legal.
BUT the Democrats were anxious to get this done BEFORE the 2020 elections. Knowing that the general public would be very
disgusted by the waste of time and these same Democrats would be voted out of the majority in the House.
Bye bye impeachment!

Trump has not claimed executive privilege on anything regarding the impeachment inquiry yet, even for the people that were subpoenaed. The Trump administration could drag this out in court for years. Once this Congress ends next Jan, the subpoena's disappear.

Trump's lawyers are alleging that the court case could be settled by then, but Trump's other lawyers are in court delaying these rulings to the greatest degree possible.

This is not a way for a country to be run.

Part of the problem lies in the fact that Pelosi never actually held a vote on wether to begin impeachment proceedings before they actually began.

What is that a problem? Standing House committees have subpoena power. Subpoenas were ignored even after the vote was held.

Funny how laws actually get in the way. There was supposed to be a vote before the impeachment process takes place.
Anyone can ignore a subpoena from the house especially if proper procedure is not followed. There is that damn law in the way again.

If the House was really serious they could actually follow the law. The problem is you don't follow the law expect to lose.

There is no law which says any of this. You're making this up.

 

[jwoodie]

Repubs sure don’t want the facts.

 

[jc456]

The Dems were stonewalled by a corrupt POTUS. Even his lawyer admits as much.

Alan Dershowitz called Trump corrupt in 2016 and said he could be corrupt as President - CNNPolitics

Dumb ass, I suppose you didn't see Dershowitz's speech the other day. Now you look just like the fool you are.

Dershowitz has been contradicting himself. He has no principles. He looks like a fool.

Shiff looks a long way from being credible. In fact lieing clown comes to mind but he was chosen to head a portion of the impeachment and is one of the main house impeachment managers. So your point is?

He’s more truthful than Trump’s team.

You mean the guy that claimed for over two years that he had incontrovertible proof the Trump colluded with Russia? The guy that lied about what was in the transcript of the Ukraine call? The fellow that can't seem to tell the same story of how long he met with the whistleblower or if he met with him at all?
You have a very partisan and funny idea of truthful.

again, irony meet colfax

 

[Maxdeath]

Dumb ass, I suppose you didn't see Dershowitz's speech the other day. Now you look just like the fool you are.

Dershowitz has been contradicting himself. He has no principles. He looks like a fool.

Shiff looks a long way from being credible. In fact lieing clown comes to mind but he was chosen to head a portion of the impeachment and is one of the main house impeachment managers. So your point is?

He’s more truthful than Trump’s team.

You mean the guy that claimed for over two years that he had incontrovertible proof the Trump colluded with Russia? The guy that lied about what was in the transcript of the Ukraine call? The fellow that can't seem to tell the same story of how long he met with the whistleblower or if he met with him at all?
You have a very partisan and funny idea of truthful.

Trump tower meeting was with Russians, was it not? He didn't lie about the transcript, you guys just can't tell when someone is making a parody.

Trump has made so many claims about Ukraine that are false, it's enough to make you dizzy.

Some of Trumps people did meet with a Russian the whole problem is that some like you have tried to make it into more then it was.
Nothing like conspiracy therys.
Sorry but if the impeachment was such a solemn and divisive process as has been claimed by the Speaker of the House and other high ranking Dems then should anyone in their right mind be making jokes?

Funny that during Clinton's impeachment democrats were all screaming that impeachment should never be partisan. Suddenly it is not only hypocritically partisan but they could not get even all of their members to toe the party line. One even left the party.

 

[BlindBoo]

It's true. We know what the Shakedown was, who did it, how and why it was done. Trumpybears' own word tell us that he wanted multiple foreign countries to investigate his political rivals.

Trumpublicans want a quick show trial to try and shore up to their dwindling base. Dems will keep investigating and releasing more and more information to the public.

Have fun kids.

 

[Maxdeath]

And as part of Trump's delaying tactics if the House had called Bolton,et.al. then the Executive branch would claim executive privilege.
At that point then the House would have taken the Executive branch to SCOTUS to determine "Executive privilege" was legal.
BUT the Democrats were anxious to get this done BEFORE the 2020 elections. Knowing that the general public would be very
disgusted by the waste of time and these same Democrats would be voted out of the majority in the House.
Bye bye impeachment!

Trump has not claimed executive privilege on anything regarding the impeachment inquiry yet, even for the people that were subpoenaed. The Trump administration could drag this out in court for years. Once this Congress ends next Jan, the subpoena's disappear.

Trump's lawyers are alleging that the court case could be settled by then, but Trump's other lawyers are in court delaying these rulings to the greatest degree possible.

This is not a way for a country to be run.

Part of the problem lies in the fact that Pelosi never actually held a vote on wether to begin impeachment proceedings before they actually began.

What is that a problem? Standing House committees have subpoena power. Subpoenas were ignored even after the vote was held.

Funny how laws actually get in the way. There was supposed to be a vote before the impeachment process takes place.
Anyone can ignore a subpoena from the house especially if proper procedure is not followed. There is that damn law in the way again.

If the House was really serious they could actually follow the law. The problem is you don't follow the law expect to lose.

There is no law which says any of this. You're making this up.

Not hardly jr. They should have called for a vote to even start the impeachment process. The DOJ claimed that the subpoenas were not properly done and could therefore be ignored. They were ignored. Trump did not claim executive privilege to keep anyone from testifying. The Dems refused to take their case to court. You claimed speed. They sat on the articles for almost a month. A month that could have been spent on strengthening their case or in court.

Funny that the DOJ claims the same thing that I am. Maybe they just make up things that Dems don't agree with.

 

[jc456]

It's true. We know what the Shakedown was, who did it, how and why it was done. Trumpybears' own word tell us that he wanted multiple foreign countries to investigate his political rivals.

Trumpublicans want a quick show trial to try and shore up to their dwindling base. Dems will keep investigating and releasing more and more information to the public.

Have fun kids.

or not

 

[Maxdeath]

It's true. We know what the Shakedown was, who did it, how and why it was done. Trumpybears' own word tell us that he wanted multiple foreign countries to investigate his political rivals.

Trumpublicans want a quick show trial to try and shore up to their dwindling base. Dems will keep investigating and releasing more and more information to the public.

Have fun kids.

To actually have a shakedown (as you put it) both parties have to understand that there is something one sides wants and the other side has to understand that if that want is not meant that there will be a consequence. Trump never tied anything to his request. Zelinsky did not know there was a consequence of not doing as Trump requested. The aid was released without any investigation or announcement.
The aid was more then was threatened to be held up by Biden.

You claim on his political rival. So then Biden has actually been chosen as the democrat presidential candidate?

 

[BlindBoo]

It's true. We know what the Shakedown was, who did it, how and why it was done. Trumpybears' own word tell us that he wanted multiple foreign countries to investigate his political rivals.

Trumpublicans want a quick show trial to try and shore up to their dwindling base. Dems will keep investigating and releasing more and more information to the public.

Have fun kids.

To actually have a shakedown (as you put it) both parties have to understand that there is something one sides wants and the other side has to understand that if that want is not meant that there will be a consequence. Trump never tied anything to his request. Zelinsky did not know there was a consequence of not doing as Trump requested. The aid was released without any investigation or announcement.
The aid was more then was threatened to be held up by Biden.

You claim on his political rival. So then Biden has actually been chosen as the democrat presidential candidate?

The Ukrainians knew the aid was being held up in July.

The entire Democrat party as well as all our Intelligence Agency's were also being targeted with the whole Crowdstrike DNC Server in the Ukraine claim.