Why the fight against Birth Control?

[Dr.Traveler]

I was speaking more,to,dr,traveler,than you C, but you have cut out teen pregnancies from,the other 15-44 census of women. It's the road we are going down. If you want to play, you have to pay. Why do I or you have to pay for someone else choices. I have said before, having children out of wedlock or while young is creating your own ATM machine. Are there any consequences?

To be honest, that's a dumb question. You've clearly never been around a pregnant woman. Even in the case of a planned pregnancy the actual physical process is no cake walk. That alone is plenty of consequences. And if you do keep the child then you have a completely different life ahead of you than if you didn't. I have two kids I love more than anything, and I can tell you I'd be far more wealthy and probably healthier without the kids. They're worth every other thing I sacrifice. But boy do we as parents sacrifice for them and not all of those sacrifices are monetary.

 

[kaz]

I see. So, a woman who wants to be able have sex when she feels like it, something men have always been able to do...is a skank.
Education and responsibility are part of the package but obviously they don't work well enough.

I think you don't realize what all public health involves, a large part of it is prevention. It's more expensive to wait until you have to deal with the consequences of not preventing something (short term thinking ie you guys vs. long term thinking).

What is Public Health?

Public health promotes and protects the health of people and the communities where they live, learn, work and play.


While a doctor treats people who are sick, those of us working in public health try to prevent people from getting sick or injured in the first place. We also promote wellness by encouraging healthy behaviors.


From conducting scientific research to educating about health, people in the field of public health work to assure the conditions in which people can be healthy. That can mean vaccinating children and adults to prevent the spread of disease. Or educating people about the risks of alcohol and tobacco. Public health sets safety standards to protect workers and develops school nutrition programs to ensure kids have access to healthy food.


Public health works to track disease outbreaks, prevent injuries and shed light on why some of us are more likely to suffer from poor health than others. The many facets of public health include speaking out for laws that promote smoke-free indoor air and seatbelts, spreading the word about ways to stay healthy and giving science-based solutions to problems.​

Actually a man that went around bellyaching that he wanted the public to pay for his viagra and condoms is a skank too.

Damn that's true. If coyote wasn't such a skank spreading them for whoever buys her "shrimp." She'd have no problem getting a guy to pay for it. Maybe she's hot, but I don't want to risk that disease that guys she fucks won't pay for a freaking condom

Goodness. You are certainly an excitable child. Do you normally get so excited using naughty words like that?

In the meantime (hopefully your pants are zipped and you've washed your hands) - how do you propose to reduce teen pregnancy rates or is your preference to have those costs passed on to the rest of us once they've had their babies? Because dude, that's what happens - regardless of whether you kick and scream and cry about it. Someone has to pay, and it's usually the rest of us. I'd rather pay for the prevention.

Exactly, donate to a charity and pay for it. But that isn't what you're proposing, you're proposing government do it for you. I like how when liberals want government to pay for your shit, you say you are paying for someone else's as if your greed is somehow altruistic.

Seriously, the only way you can think of paying for birth control is to hand it off to government. Personal responsibility and charity from your own pocket just aren't part of your world

If you have health insurance, your health insurance should cover your birth control. Period. End of story. You shouldn't have to pay extra for it.

Your insurance company would certainly prefer it.

Your employer should have no say in what you health care involves. That's forcing your religion on others.

Of course you pay extra for it. Seriously? You're an adult supposedly functioning who doesn't even know how insurance works? That's just sad.

Riddle me this, Batman. Why do different insurance policies cost different amounts?

I mean Jesus Francis Christ, you thought you buy insurance and then you're just covered for everything? And you're an adult? Really? Then why don't we all just buy the cheapest policy?

Spread your legs on your own dime. It's not a job for government. And as a guy I can tell you, if a guy won't gladly pay for your baby protector, there's something seriously wrong there because any warm blooded, heterosexual guy would gladly pay that for sex with a chick he's remotely interested in.

And of course in your stupidity you think that we're debating whether insurance companies should pay for birth control when we're actually debating if it's a legitimate power of government to force them to.

Anyway, the main takeaway from this is keep you knees together if a guy won't spring for it. Seriously, there's something fundamentally wrong with that situation if he won't

 

[Vastator]

In my view, when a woman uses birth control she is not engaging in the same behavior that got her pregnant, she is altering it by taking responsibility. And that means using birth control.

In my view, birth control is nothing but a way for a woman to escape that responsibility.

As soon as the cell in that zygote begins to divide, that is human life. When a woman starts using birth control, she is ending that life. That is the ultimate abandonment of responsibility. And in my view, an act of murder.

That is a pretty darn strong statement and one that places it all at the feet of the woman.

The pill acts, primarily to prevent pregnancy and secondarily to prevent implantation by keeping the womb hostile through the use of natural hormones. We're not incubators for potential life. Most fertalized eggs never even make it that far. Add to that the fact that many married couples also use birth control for family planning - is she escaping responsibility because she doesn't want go through ten or twelve pregnancies? Should a married couple be expected to practice abstinance?

What the fuck? Places at the "feet of women?" Fuck your brains out, spread your legs, get VD, get pregnant, what ever the fuck you want. Just do it on your own dime. What is possibly unclear about that?

Generally speaking, I agree I don't want to pay for other people's choices. The problem here is that I'm going to pay either way, either in the minimal cost of birth control or in the schooling or incarceration of the kid. One is very much cheaper than the other, so I'm going with the cheap one.

That's pure economics here. The only way to 100% avoid paying for unwanted pregnancies as a citizen is to either completely stop funding education via tax money, as well as jails, or to pay for birth control. And dollar for dollar, the birth control is far cheaper.

It's not an either or proposition though. You will still be paying for the bad choices anyway, in addition to birth control...

 

[kaz]

In my view, when a woman uses birth control she is not engaging in the same behavior that got her pregnant, she is altering it by taking responsibility. And that means using birth control.

In my view, birth control is nothing but a way for a woman to escape that responsibility.

As soon as the cell in that zygote begins to divide, that is human life. When a woman starts using birth control, she is ending that life. That is the ultimate abandonment of responsibility. And in my view, an act of murder.

That is a pretty darn strong statement and one that places it all at the feet of the woman.

The pill acts, primarily to prevent pregnancy and secondarily to prevent implantation by keeping the womb hostile through the use of natural hormones. We're not incubators for potential life. Most fertalized eggs never even make it that far. Add to that the fact that many married couples also use birth control for family planning - is she escaping responsibility because she doesn't want go through ten or twelve pregnancies? Should a married couple be expected to practice abstinance?

What the fuck? Places at the "feet of women?" Fuck your brains out, spread your legs, get VD, get pregnant, what ever the fuck you want. Just do it on your own dime. What is possibly unclear about that?

Generally speaking, I agree I don't want to pay for other people's choices. The problem here is that I'm going to pay either way, either in the minimal cost of birth control or in the schooling or incarceration of the kid. One is very much cheaper than the other, so I'm going with the cheap one.

That's pure economics here. The only way to 100% avoid paying for unwanted pregnancies as a citizen is to either completely stop funding education via tax money, as well as jails, or to pay for birth control. And dollar for dollar, the birth control is far cheaper.

Again the fallacious assumption that charity = government. You made a great case to donate to planned parenthood. I would for the reason you said if we took government out of it. I won't give money to a quasi government agency though which is what anyone primarily funded by government is

 

[Dragonlady]

Actually a man that went around bellyaching that he wanted the public to pay for his viagra and condoms is a skank too.

Damn that's true. If coyote wasn't such a skank spreading them for whoever buys her "shrimp." She'd have no problem getting a guy to pay for it. Maybe she's hot, but I don't want to risk that disease that guys she fucks won't pay for a freaking condom

Goodness. You are certainly an excitable child. Do you normally get so excited using naughty words like that?

In the meantime (hopefully your pants are zipped and you've washed your hands) - how do you propose to reduce teen pregnancy rates or is your preference to have those costs passed on to the rest of us once they've had their babies? Because dude, that's what happens - regardless of whether you kick and scream and cry about it. Someone has to pay, and it's usually the rest of us. I'd rather pay for the prevention.

Exactly, donate to a charity and pay for it. But that isn't what you're proposing, you're proposing government do it for you. I like how when liberals want government to pay for your shit, you say you are paying for someone else's as if your greed is somehow altruistic.

Seriously, the only way you can think of paying for birth control is to hand it off to government. Personal responsibility and charity from your own pocket just aren't part of your world

If you have health insurance, your health insurance should cover your birth control. Period. End of story. You shouldn't have to pay extra for it.

Your insurance company would certainly prefer it.

Your employer should have no say in what you health care involves. That's forcing your religion on others.

Of course you pay extra for it. Seriously? You're an adult supposedly functioning who doesn't even know how insurance works? That's just sad.

Riddle me this, Batman. Why do different insurance policies cost different amounts?

I mean Jesus Francis Christ, you thought you buy insurance and then you're just covered for everything? And you're an adult? Really? Then why don't we all just buy the cheapest policy?

Spread your legs on your own dime. It's not a job for government. And as a guy I can tell you, if a guy won't gladly pay for your baby protector, there's something seriously wrong there because any warm blooded, heterosexual guy would gladly pay that for sex with a chick he's remotely interested in.

And of course in your stupidity you think that we're debating whether insurance companies should pay for birth control when we're actually debating if it's a legitimate power of government to force them to.

Anyway, the main takeaway from this is keep you knees together if a guy won't spring for it. Seriously, there's something fundamentally wrong with that situation if he won't

They don't. All citizens of Ontario pay the same rate for their health insurance. All of my health care is covered by it. If a woman has an abortion, it's covered. NO EXTRA BILLING IS ALLOWED. It's illegal.

Curiously, the Catholic Church in Canada has never tried to claim that being forced to pay for their employees birth control and abortions, violates their religious freedom. They pay their employer health tax like everyone else, and their employees get to decide whether to use BC or have an abortion, just like everyone else. It's called FREEDOM.

Americans have no concept of how much easier and better health care can be.

 

[kaz]

Damn that's true. If coyote wasn't such a skank spreading them for whoever buys her "shrimp." She'd have no problem getting a guy to pay for it. Maybe she's hot, but I don't want to risk that disease that guys she fucks won't pay for a freaking condom

Goodness. You are certainly an excitable child. Do you normally get so excited using naughty words like that?

In the meantime (hopefully your pants are zipped and you've washed your hands) - how do you propose to reduce teen pregnancy rates or is your preference to have those costs passed on to the rest of us once they've had their babies? Because dude, that's what happens - regardless of whether you kick and scream and cry about it. Someone has to pay, and it's usually the rest of us. I'd rather pay for the prevention.

Exactly, donate to a charity and pay for it. But that isn't what you're proposing, you're proposing government do it for you. I like how when liberals want government to pay for your shit, you say you are paying for someone else's as if your greed is somehow altruistic.

Seriously, the only way you can think of paying for birth control is to hand it off to government. Personal responsibility and charity from your own pocket just aren't part of your world

If you have health insurance, your health insurance should cover your birth control. Period. End of story. You shouldn't have to pay extra for it.

Your insurance company would certainly prefer it.

Your employer should have no say in what you health care involves. That's forcing your religion on others.

Of course you pay extra for it. Seriously? You're an adult supposedly functioning who doesn't even know how insurance works? That's just sad.

Riddle me this, Batman. Why do different insurance policies cost different amounts?

I mean Jesus Francis Christ, you thought you buy insurance and then you're just covered for everything? And you're an adult? Really? Then why don't we all just buy the cheapest policy?

Spread your legs on your own dime. It's not a job for government. And as a guy I can tell you, if a guy won't gladly pay for your baby protector, there's something seriously wrong there because any warm blooded, heterosexual guy would gladly pay that for sex with a chick he's remotely interested in.

And of course in your stupidity you think that we're debating whether insurance companies should pay for birth control when we're actually debating if it's a legitimate power of government to force them to.

Anyway, the main takeaway from this is keep you knees together if a guy won't spring for it. Seriously, there's something fundamentally wrong with that situation if he won't

They don't. All citizens of Ontario pay the same rate for their health insurance. All of my health care is covered by it. If a woman has an abortion, it's covered. NO EXTRA BILLING IS ALLOWED. It's illegal.

Curiously, the Catholic Church in Canada has never tried to claim that being forced to pay for their employees birth control and abortions, violates their religious freedom. They pay their employer health tax like everyone else, and their employees get to decide whether to use BC or have an abortion, just like everyone else. It's called FREEDOM.

Americans have no concept of how much easier and better health care can be.

Then why do Canadians who can afford it come here for medical care?

That you live in a socialist country doesn't excuse that you don't know how insurance works. You have benefits and the rates are charged on the benefits you have. Forcing an insurance company to add a benefit means there is an extra cost for that because you weren't being charged for it before becuase you didn't have that benefit. Shame on you for not knowing that, it's pathetic.

So do you send claims into your car insurance for oil changes? Why not? You have car insurance, right? Dumb ass

 

[Coyote]

She's a skank libtard that wants to screw whoever without giving a thought to any consequences, just like all liberals.

But to answer your stupid, no she's not a skank now, she's always been one.

I see. So, a woman who wants to be able have sex when she feels like it, something men have always been able to do...is a skank.

Correction. Irresponsible entitlement prices are a matter of public health. Education, and responsibility is the answer.

Education and responsibility are part of the package but obviously they don't work well enough.

I think you don't realize what all public health involves, a large part of it is prevention. It's more expensive to wait until you have to deal with the consequences of not preventing something (short term thinking ie you guys vs. long term thinking).

What is Public Health?

Public health promotes and protects the health of people and the communities where they live, learn, work and play.


While a doctor treats people who are sick, those of us working in public health try to prevent people from getting sick or injured in the first place. We also promote wellness by encouraging healthy behaviors.


From conducting scientific research to educating about health, people in the field of public health work to assure the conditions in which people can be healthy. That can mean vaccinating children and adults to prevent the spread of disease. Or educating people about the risks of alcohol and tobacco. Public health sets safety standards to protect workers and develops school nutrition programs to ensure kids have access to healthy food.


Public health works to track disease outbreaks, prevent injuries and shed light on why some of us are more likely to suffer from poor health than others. The many facets of public health include speaking out for laws that promote smoke-free indoor air and seatbelts, spreading the word about ways to stay healthy and giving science-based solutions to problems.​

Actually a man that went around bellyaching that he wanted the public to pay for his viagra and condoms is a skank too.

Damn that's true. If coyote wasn't such a skank spreading them for whoever buys her "shrimp." She'd have no problem getting a guy to pay for it. Maybe she's hot, but I don't want to risk that disease that guys she fucks won't pay for a freaking condom

Goodness. You are certainly an excitable child. Do you normally get so excited using naughty words like that?

In the meantime (hopefully your pants are zipped and you've washed your hands) - how do you propose to reduce teen pregnancy rates or is your preference to have those costs passed on to the rest of us once they've had their babies? Because dude, that's what happens - regardless of whether you kick and scream and cry about it. Someone has to pay, and it's usually the rest of us. I'd rather pay for the prevention.

Exactly, donate to a charity and pay for it. But that isn't what you're proposing, you're proposing government do it for you. I like how when liberals want government to pay for your shit, you say you are paying for someone else's as if your greed is somehow altruistic.

Seriously, the only way you can think of paying for birth control is to hand it off to government. Personal responsibility and charity from your own pocket just aren't part of your world

Not sure about you, but I pay taxes. I've worked full time since the age of 18, had my own health insurance continiously and been fortunate enough not to ever NEED "freebies" as you like to call them. As such, I have a say in what I want those taxes to pay for and one of the things I think is important is birth control. You can call that "greed" if you want, but I would rather my taxes go to that then to subsidizing other things such as agricorps, big pharma, etc. as "your world" is prone to desire.

 

[kaz]

I see. So, a woman who wants to be able have sex when she feels like it, something men have always been able to do...is a skank.
Education and responsibility are part of the package but obviously they don't work well enough.

I think you don't realize what all public health involves, a large part of it is prevention. It's more expensive to wait until you have to deal with the consequences of not preventing something (short term thinking ie you guys vs. long term thinking).

What is Public Health?

Public health promotes and protects the health of people and the communities where they live, learn, work and play.


While a doctor treats people who are sick, those of us working in public health try to prevent people from getting sick or injured in the first place. We also promote wellness by encouraging healthy behaviors.


From conducting scientific research to educating about health, people in the field of public health work to assure the conditions in which people can be healthy. That can mean vaccinating children and adults to prevent the spread of disease. Or educating people about the risks of alcohol and tobacco. Public health sets safety standards to protect workers and develops school nutrition programs to ensure kids have access to healthy food.


Public health works to track disease outbreaks, prevent injuries and shed light on why some of us are more likely to suffer from poor health than others. The many facets of public health include speaking out for laws that promote smoke-free indoor air and seatbelts, spreading the word about ways to stay healthy and giving science-based solutions to problems.​

Actually a man that went around bellyaching that he wanted the public to pay for his viagra and condoms is a skank too.

Damn that's true. If coyote wasn't such a skank spreading them for whoever buys her "shrimp." She'd have no problem getting a guy to pay for it. Maybe she's hot, but I don't want to risk that disease that guys she fucks won't pay for a freaking condom

Goodness. You are certainly an excitable child. Do you normally get so excited using naughty words like that?

In the meantime (hopefully your pants are zipped and you've washed your hands) - how do you propose to reduce teen pregnancy rates or is your preference to have those costs passed on to the rest of us once they've had their babies? Because dude, that's what happens - regardless of whether you kick and scream and cry about it. Someone has to pay, and it's usually the rest of us. I'd rather pay for the prevention.

Exactly, donate to a charity and pay for it. But that isn't what you're proposing, you're proposing government do it for you. I like how when liberals want government to pay for your shit, you say you are paying for someone else's as if your greed is somehow altruistic.

Seriously, the only way you can think of paying for birth control is to hand it off to government. Personal responsibility and charity from your own pocket just aren't part of your world

Not sure about you, but I pay taxes. I've worked full time since the age of 18, had my own health insurance continiously and been fortunate enough not to ever NEED "freebies" as you like to call them. As such, I have a say in what I want those taxes to pay for and one of the things I think is important is birth control. You can call that "greed" if you want, but I would rather my taxes go to that then to subsidizing other things such as agricorps, big pharma, etc. as "your world" is prone to desire.

Um ... where do you get that is a choice? My choice is to not pay for any of that. And where do you get your taxes are paying for "big pharma?" You're just making up your shit, I've never said any such thing. It's just you being a liar, I have clearly opposed all government role in supporting corporations and want failures to fail.

Now what about addressing my point? "Seriously, the only way you can think of paying for birth control is to hand it off to government. Personal responsibility and charity from your own pocket just aren't part of your world"

 

[Coyote]

Goodness. You are certainly an excitable child. Do you normally get so excited using naughty words like that?

In the meantime (hopefully your pants are zipped and you've washed your hands) - how do you propose to reduce teen pregnancy rates or is your preference to have those costs passed on to the rest of us once they've had their babies? Because dude, that's what happens - regardless of whether you kick and scream and cry about it. Someone has to pay, and it's usually the rest of us. I'd rather pay for the prevention.

Exactly, donate to a charity and pay for it. But that isn't what you're proposing, you're proposing government do it for you. I like how when liberals want government to pay for your shit, you say you are paying for someone else's as if your greed is somehow altruistic.

Seriously, the only way you can think of paying for birth control is to hand it off to government. Personal responsibility and charity from your own pocket just aren't part of your world

If you have health insurance, your health insurance should cover your birth control. Period. End of story. You shouldn't have to pay extra for it.

Your insurance company would certainly prefer it.

Your employer should have no say in what you health care involves. That's forcing your religion on others.

Of course you pay extra for it. Seriously? You're an adult supposedly functioning who doesn't even know how insurance works? That's just sad.

Riddle me this, Batman. Why do different insurance policies cost different amounts?

I mean Jesus Francis Christ, you thought you buy insurance and then you're just covered for everything? And you're an adult? Really? Then why don't we all just buy the cheapest policy?

Spread your legs on your own dime. It's not a job for government. And as a guy I can tell you, if a guy won't gladly pay for your baby protector, there's something seriously wrong there because any warm blooded, heterosexual guy would gladly pay that for sex with a chick he's remotely interested in.

And of course in your stupidity you think that we're debating whether insurance companies should pay for birth control when we're actually debating if it's a legitimate power of government to force them to.

Anyway, the main takeaway from this is keep you knees together if a guy won't spring for it. Seriously, there's something fundamentally wrong with that situation if he won't

They don't. All citizens of Ontario pay the same rate for their health insurance. All of my health care is covered by it. If a woman has an abortion, it's covered. NO EXTRA BILLING IS ALLOWED. It's illegal.

Curiously, the Catholic Church in Canada has never tried to claim that being forced to pay for their employees birth control and abortions, violates their religious freedom. They pay their employer health tax like everyone else, and their employees get to decide whether to use BC or have an abortion, just like everyone else. It's called FREEDOM.

Americans have no concept of how much easier and better health care can be.

Then why do Canadians who can afford it come here for medical care?

That you live in a socialist country doesn't excuse that you don't know how insurance works. You have benefits and the rates are charged on the benefits you have. Forcing an insurance company to add a benefit means there is an extra cost for that because you weren't being charged for it before becuase you didn't have that benefit. Shame on you for not knowing that, it's pathetic.

So do you send claims into your car insurance for oil changes? Why not? You have car insurance, right? Dumb ass

Yet, if you ASK those Canadians if they'd trade their system for ours, you'll find overwelmingly the answer is "no".

 

[kaz]

Exactly, donate to a charity and pay for it. But that isn't what you're proposing, you're proposing government do it for you. I like how when liberals want government to pay for your shit, you say you are paying for someone else's as if your greed is somehow altruistic.

Seriously, the only way you can think of paying for birth control is to hand it off to government. Personal responsibility and charity from your own pocket just aren't part of your world

If you have health insurance, your health insurance should cover your birth control. Period. End of story. You shouldn't have to pay extra for it.

Your insurance company would certainly prefer it.

Your employer should have no say in what you health care involves. That's forcing your religion on others.

Of course you pay extra for it. Seriously? You're an adult supposedly functioning who doesn't even know how insurance works? That's just sad.

Riddle me this, Batman. Why do different insurance policies cost different amounts?

I mean Jesus Francis Christ, you thought you buy insurance and then you're just covered for everything? And you're an adult? Really? Then why don't we all just buy the cheapest policy?

Spread your legs on your own dime. It's not a job for government. And as a guy I can tell you, if a guy won't gladly pay for your baby protector, there's something seriously wrong there because any warm blooded, heterosexual guy would gladly pay that for sex with a chick he's remotely interested in.

And of course in your stupidity you think that we're debating whether insurance companies should pay for birth control when we're actually debating if it's a legitimate power of government to force them to.

Anyway, the main takeaway from this is keep you knees together if a guy won't spring for it. Seriously, there's something fundamentally wrong with that situation if he won't

They don't. All citizens of Ontario pay the same rate for their health insurance. All of my health care is covered by it. If a woman has an abortion, it's covered. NO EXTRA BILLING IS ALLOWED. It's illegal.

Curiously, the Catholic Church in Canada has never tried to claim that being forced to pay for their employees birth control and abortions, violates their religious freedom. They pay their employer health tax like everyone else, and their employees get to decide whether to use BC or have an abortion, just like everyone else. It's called FREEDOM.

Americans have no concept of how much easier and better health care can be.

Then why do Canadians who can afford it come here for medical care?

That you live in a socialist country doesn't excuse that you don't know how insurance works. You have benefits and the rates are charged on the benefits you have. Forcing an insurance company to add a benefit means there is an extra cost for that because you weren't being charged for it before becuase you didn't have that benefit. Shame on you for not knowing that, it's pathetic.

So do you send claims into your car insurance for oil changes? Why not? You have car insurance, right? Dumb ass

Yet, if you ASK those Canadians if they'd trade their system for ours, you'll find overwelmingly the answer is "no".

Then why do the ones who can afford it come here for medical care?

But wow, what a point. Canadians like having other people paying their bills for them. I'll give you that is how most people are like here too. You know, like you ...

 

[Coyote]

Actually a man that went around bellyaching that he wanted the public to pay for his viagra and condoms is a skank too.

Damn that's true. If coyote wasn't such a skank spreading them for whoever buys her "shrimp." She'd have no problem getting a guy to pay for it. Maybe she's hot, but I don't want to risk that disease that guys she fucks won't pay for a freaking condom

Goodness. You are certainly an excitable child. Do you normally get so excited using naughty words like that?

In the meantime (hopefully your pants are zipped and you've washed your hands) - how do you propose to reduce teen pregnancy rates or is your preference to have those costs passed on to the rest of us once they've had their babies? Because dude, that's what happens - regardless of whether you kick and scream and cry about it. Someone has to pay, and it's usually the rest of us. I'd rather pay for the prevention.

Exactly, donate to a charity and pay for it. But that isn't what you're proposing, you're proposing government do it for you. I like how when liberals want government to pay for your shit, you say you are paying for someone else's as if your greed is somehow altruistic.

Seriously, the only way you can think of paying for birth control is to hand it off to government. Personal responsibility and charity from your own pocket just aren't part of your world

Not sure about you, but I pay taxes. I've worked full time since the age of 18, had my own health insurance continiously and been fortunate enough not to ever NEED "freebies" as you like to call them. As such, I have a say in what I want those taxes to pay for and one of the things I think is important is birth control. You can call that "greed" if you want, but I would rather my taxes go to that then to subsidizing other things such as agricorps, big pharma, etc. as "your world" is prone to desire.

Um ... where do you get that is a choice?

Now what about addressing my point? "Seriously, the only way you can think of paying for birth control is to hand it off to government. Personal responsibility and charity from your own pocket just aren't part of your world"

You know nothing about "my world". Shall we assume "your world" is all about greed and personal entitlement? You have to pay taxes. If you feel our taxes shouldn't be paying for that - fine. We disagree on that. I feel our taxes SHOULD because the cost of not preventing teen pregnancy is so much higher.

 

[Coyote]

If you have health insurance, your health insurance should cover your birth control. Period. End of story. You shouldn't have to pay extra for it.

Your insurance company would certainly prefer it.

Your employer should have no say in what you health care involves. That's forcing your religion on others.

Of course you pay extra for it. Seriously? You're an adult supposedly functioning who doesn't even know how insurance works? That's just sad.

Riddle me this, Batman. Why do different insurance policies cost different amounts?

I mean Jesus Francis Christ, you thought you buy insurance and then you're just covered for everything? And you're an adult? Really? Then why don't we all just buy the cheapest policy?

Spread your legs on your own dime. It's not a job for government. And as a guy I can tell you, if a guy won't gladly pay for your baby protector, there's something seriously wrong there because any warm blooded, heterosexual guy would gladly pay that for sex with a chick he's remotely interested in.

And of course in your stupidity you think that we're debating whether insurance companies should pay for birth control when we're actually debating if it's a legitimate power of government to force them to.

Anyway, the main takeaway from this is keep you knees together if a guy won't spring for it. Seriously, there's something fundamentally wrong with that situation if he won't

They don't. All citizens of Ontario pay the same rate for their health insurance. All of my health care is covered by it. If a woman has an abortion, it's covered. NO EXTRA BILLING IS ALLOWED. It's illegal.

Curiously, the Catholic Church in Canada has never tried to claim that being forced to pay for their employees birth control and abortions, violates their religious freedom. They pay their employer health tax like everyone else, and their employees get to decide whether to use BC or have an abortion, just like everyone else. It's called FREEDOM.

Americans have no concept of how much easier and better health care can be.

Then why do Canadians who can afford it come here for medical care?

That you live in a socialist country doesn't excuse that you don't know how insurance works. You have benefits and the rates are charged on the benefits you have. Forcing an insurance company to add a benefit means there is an extra cost for that because you weren't being charged for it before becuase you didn't have that benefit. Shame on you for not knowing that, it's pathetic.

So do you send claims into your car insurance for oil changes? Why not? You have car insurance, right? Dumb ass

Yet, if you ASK those Canadians if they'd trade their system for ours, you'll find overwelmingly the answer is "no".

Then why do the ones who can afford it come here for medical care?

But wow, what a point. Canadians like having other people paying their bills for them. I'll give you that is how most people are like here too. You know, like you ...

For the same reason rich people all over go to different countries or out-of-plan places for health care - because they can, because they feel it's better, because they can get it quicker. In the end though - they don't want what we have and have emphatically stated that.

 

[koshergrl]

Damn that's true. If coyote wasn't such a skank spreading them for whoever buys her "shrimp." She'd have no problem getting a guy to pay for it. Maybe she's hot, but I don't want to risk that disease that guys she fucks won't pay for a freaking condom

Goodness. You are certainly an excitable child. Do you normally get so excited using naughty words like that?

In the meantime (hopefully your pants are zipped and you've washed your hands) - how do you propose to reduce teen pregnancy rates or is your preference to have those costs passed on to the rest of us once they've had their babies? Because dude, that's what happens - regardless of whether you kick and scream and cry about it. Someone has to pay, and it's usually the rest of us. I'd rather pay for the prevention.

Exactly, donate to a charity and pay for it. But that isn't what you're proposing, you're proposing government do it for you. I like how when liberals want government to pay for your shit, you say you are paying for someone else's as if your greed is somehow altruistic.

Seriously, the only way you can think of paying for birth control is to hand it off to government. Personal responsibility and charity from your own pocket just aren't part of your world

Not sure about you, but I pay taxes. I've worked full time since the age of 18, had my own health insurance continiously and been fortunate enough not to ever NEED "freebies" as you like to call them. As such, I have a say in what I want those taxes to pay for and one of the things I think is important is birth control. You can call that "greed" if you want, but I would rather my taxes go to that then to subsidizing other things such as agricorps, big pharma, etc. as "your world" is prone to desire.

Um ... where do you get that is a choice?

Now what about addressing my point? "Seriously, the only way you can think of paying for birth control is to hand it off to government. Personal responsibility and charity from your own pocket just aren't part of your world"

You know nothing about "my world". Shall we assume "your world" is all about greed and personal entitlement? You have to pay taxes. If you feel our taxes shouldn't be paying for that - fine. We disagree on that. I feel our taxes SHOULD because the cost of not preventing teen pregnancy is so much higher.

No, it isn't.

Since the feds started interfering with the sexual development and fertility of our youths, stds and teen pregnancy costs have SKYROCKETED. So stop with the stupid, repetitive and false lie that "FEDERAL FUNDING OF BIRTH CONTROL SAVES US MONEY!" There's absolutely no support for that statement, and quite a bit of support for just the opposite.

 

[kaz]

Damn that's true. If coyote wasn't such a skank spreading them for whoever buys her "shrimp." She'd have no problem getting a guy to pay for it. Maybe she's hot, but I don't want to risk that disease that guys she fucks won't pay for a freaking condom

Goodness. You are certainly an excitable child. Do you normally get so excited using naughty words like that?

In the meantime (hopefully your pants are zipped and you've washed your hands) - how do you propose to reduce teen pregnancy rates or is your preference to have those costs passed on to the rest of us once they've had their babies? Because dude, that's what happens - regardless of whether you kick and scream and cry about it. Someone has to pay, and it's usually the rest of us. I'd rather pay for the prevention.

Exactly, donate to a charity and pay for it. But that isn't what you're proposing, you're proposing government do it for you. I like how when liberals want government to pay for your shit, you say you are paying for someone else's as if your greed is somehow altruistic.

Seriously, the only way you can think of paying for birth control is to hand it off to government. Personal responsibility and charity from your own pocket just aren't part of your world

Not sure about you, but I pay taxes. I've worked full time since the age of 18, had my own health insurance continiously and been fortunate enough not to ever NEED "freebies" as you like to call them. As such, I have a say in what I want those taxes to pay for and one of the things I think is important is birth control. You can call that "greed" if you want, but I would rather my taxes go to that then to subsidizing other things such as agricorps, big pharma, etc. as "your world" is prone to desire.

Um ... where do you get that is a choice?

Now what about addressing my point? "Seriously, the only way you can think of paying for birth control is to hand it off to government. Personal responsibility and charity from your own pocket just aren't part of your world"

You know nothing about "my world". Shall we assume "your world" is all about greed and personal entitlement? You have to pay taxes. If you feel our taxes shouldn't be paying for that - fine. We disagree on that. I feel our taxes SHOULD because the cost of not preventing teen pregnancy is so much higher.

First of all, I'm not an anarchist, simpleton. I've made clear my standard is opposition to redistribution of wealth. You have to know that in all the years you've read my posts. Too many concussions from your head hitting the headboard from guys too cheap to pay for your birth control? If you're not going to be serious, don't ask me to be.

What is a small government libertarian?

The other small government libertarians pretty well agreed with what I said. Do you really need this explained to you ... again? You have to keep using disingenuous arguments? I guess that's a reflection of the lack of bullets in your intellectual gun.

Again, why won't you donate your OWN money to support charities you believe in? Note the difference between us. I'm saying I will donate to planned parenthood if they get off the public dole. You're saying if government doesn't fund them, you believe they will go under. Obviously you know liberals just won't give their own money voluntarily. I guess there's at least a grain of truth in that admission

 

[Coyote]

That is a pretty darn strong statement and one that places it all at the feet of the woman.

Because the woman is the only half of our species capable of giving birth to offspring. The female is the conduit by which all human life springs. She carries the greatest responsibility of all -- nurturing and protecting the life inside her. The moment she starts using birth control is the moment she shirks that responsibility.

We're not incubators for potential life.

Yes you are. The biological nature of our species says you are. If you don't want to be "incubators", then practice abstinence. It is at this point that instead of treating human life as the human life life it actually is, people of your persuasion turn it into a valueless object, in exchange for the illusion of liberation. No longer is life viewed as precious in any stage of its existence, it is now known "potential life."

It makes me angry thinking about it. Life has no value in that it is invaluable. Even the most primal of animals in our world can disseminate that life is life and that life invaluable. But us? We have to place value on life for the sake of choice. Human life isn't something you play with or take lightly and it isn't something you should have the freedom to destroy.

Animals have been known to destroy their own young. But I disagree with you. Recognizing that life is valuable lies at the heart of birth control. In choosing NOT to bring into the world a life that won't be valued. I don't understand how you can expect a married couple, who have had the two children they wanted, to then either continue to have babies or practice abstinance for the rest of their married life. Sex is also an act of love.

 

[kaz]

Of course you pay extra for it. Seriously? You're an adult supposedly functioning who doesn't even know how insurance works? That's just sad.

Riddle me this, Batman. Why do different insurance policies cost different amounts?

I mean Jesus Francis Christ, you thought you buy insurance and then you're just covered for everything? And you're an adult? Really? Then why don't we all just buy the cheapest policy?

Spread your legs on your own dime. It's not a job for government. And as a guy I can tell you, if a guy won't gladly pay for your baby protector, there's something seriously wrong there because any warm blooded, heterosexual guy would gladly pay that for sex with a chick he's remotely interested in.

And of course in your stupidity you think that we're debating whether insurance companies should pay for birth control when we're actually debating if it's a legitimate power of government to force them to.

Anyway, the main takeaway from this is keep you knees together if a guy won't spring for it. Seriously, there's something fundamentally wrong with that situation if he won't

They don't. All citizens of Ontario pay the same rate for their health insurance. All of my health care is covered by it. If a woman has an abortion, it's covered. NO EXTRA BILLING IS ALLOWED. It's illegal.

Curiously, the Catholic Church in Canada has never tried to claim that being forced to pay for their employees birth control and abortions, violates their religious freedom. They pay their employer health tax like everyone else, and their employees get to decide whether to use BC or have an abortion, just like everyone else. It's called FREEDOM.

Americans have no concept of how much easier and better health care can be.

Then why do Canadians who can afford it come here for medical care?

That you live in a socialist country doesn't excuse that you don't know how insurance works. You have benefits and the rates are charged on the benefits you have. Forcing an insurance company to add a benefit means there is an extra cost for that because you weren't being charged for it before becuase you didn't have that benefit. Shame on you for not knowing that, it's pathetic.

So do you send claims into your car insurance for oil changes? Why not? You have car insurance, right? Dumb ass

Yet, if you ASK those Canadians if they'd trade their system for ours, you'll find overwelmingly the answer is "no".

Then why do the ones who can afford it come here for medical care?

But wow, what a point. Canadians like having other people paying their bills for them. I'll give you that is how most people are like here too. You know, like you ...

For the same reason rich people all over go to different countries or out-of-plan places for health care - because they can, because they feel it's better, because they can get it quicker. In the end though - they don't want what we have and have emphatically stated that.

Canadians also die of heart disease and cancer at higher rates. Equal access to healthcare means many don't get it until after they are dead

 

[Coyote]

Goodness. You are certainly an excitable child. Do you normally get so excited using naughty words like that?

In the meantime (hopefully your pants are zipped and you've washed your hands) - how do you propose to reduce teen pregnancy rates or is your preference to have those costs passed on to the rest of us once they've had their babies? Because dude, that's what happens - regardless of whether you kick and scream and cry about it. Someone has to pay, and it's usually the rest of us. I'd rather pay for the prevention.

Exactly, donate to a charity and pay for it. But that isn't what you're proposing, you're proposing government do it for you. I like how when liberals want government to pay for your shit, you say you are paying for someone else's as if your greed is somehow altruistic.

Seriously, the only way you can think of paying for birth control is to hand it off to government. Personal responsibility and charity from your own pocket just aren't part of your world

Not sure about you, but I pay taxes. I've worked full time since the age of 18, had my own health insurance continiously and been fortunate enough not to ever NEED "freebies" as you like to call them. As such, I have a say in what I want those taxes to pay for and one of the things I think is important is birth control. You can call that "greed" if you want, but I would rather my taxes go to that then to subsidizing other things such as agricorps, big pharma, etc. as "your world" is prone to desire.

Um ... where do you get that is a choice?

Now what about addressing my point? "Seriously, the only way you can think of paying for birth control is to hand it off to government. Personal responsibility and charity from your own pocket just aren't part of your world"

You know nothing about "my world". Shall we assume "your world" is all about greed and personal entitlement? You have to pay taxes. If you feel our taxes shouldn't be paying for that - fine. We disagree on that. I feel our taxes SHOULD because the cost of not preventing teen pregnancy is so much higher.

No, it isn't.

Since the feds started interfering with the sexual development and fertility of our youths, stds and teen pregnancy costs have SKYROCKETED. So stop with the stupid, repetitive and false lie that "FEDERAL FUNDING OF BIRTH CONTROL SAVES US MONEY!" There's absolutely no support for that statement, and quite a bit of support for just the opposite.

I've offered up support - from a variety of sources - that free birth control to teens has reduced teen pregnancy rates AND abortion rates. You can choose to ignore it, but thus far you've only offered up one source in opposition and no real data.

 

[Coyote]

They don't. All citizens of Ontario pay the same rate for their health insurance. All of my health care is covered by it. If a woman has an abortion, it's covered. NO EXTRA BILLING IS ALLOWED. It's illegal.

Curiously, the Catholic Church in Canada has never tried to claim that being forced to pay for their employees birth control and abortions, violates their religious freedom. They pay their employer health tax like everyone else, and their employees get to decide whether to use BC or have an abortion, just like everyone else. It's called FREEDOM.

Americans have no concept of how much easier and better health care can be.

Then why do Canadians who can afford it come here for medical care?

That you live in a socialist country doesn't excuse that you don't know how insurance works. You have benefits and the rates are charged on the benefits you have. Forcing an insurance company to add a benefit means there is an extra cost for that because you weren't being charged for it before becuase you didn't have that benefit. Shame on you for not knowing that, it's pathetic.

So do you send claims into your car insurance for oil changes? Why not? You have car insurance, right? Dumb ass

Yet, if you ASK those Canadians if they'd trade their system for ours, you'll find overwelmingly the answer is "no".

Then why do the ones who can afford it come here for medical care?

But wow, what a point. Canadians like having other people paying their bills for them. I'll give you that is how most people are like here too. You know, like you ...

For the same reason rich people all over go to different countries or out-of-plan places for health care - because they can, because they feel it's better, because they can get it quicker. In the end though - they don't want what we have and have emphatically stated that.

Canadians also die of heart disease and cancer at higher rates. Equal access to healthcare means many don't get it until after they are dead

That doesn't necessarily mean that the death rates from those diseases are caused by access to health care - there are a lot of factors that go into that.

 

[kaz]

Goodness. You are certainly an excitable child. Do you normally get so excited using naughty words like that?

In the meantime (hopefully your pants are zipped and you've washed your hands) - how do you propose to reduce teen pregnancy rates or is your preference to have those costs passed on to the rest of us once they've had their babies? Because dude, that's what happens - regardless of whether you kick and scream and cry about it. Someone has to pay, and it's usually the rest of us. I'd rather pay for the prevention.

Exactly, donate to a charity and pay for it. But that isn't what you're proposing, you're proposing government do it for you. I like how when liberals want government to pay for your shit, you say you are paying for someone else's as if your greed is somehow altruistic.

Seriously, the only way you can think of paying for birth control is to hand it off to government. Personal responsibility and charity from your own pocket just aren't part of your world

Not sure about you, but I pay taxes. I've worked full time since the age of 18, had my own health insurance continiously and been fortunate enough not to ever NEED "freebies" as you like to call them. As such, I have a say in what I want those taxes to pay for and one of the things I think is important is birth control. You can call that "greed" if you want, but I would rather my taxes go to that then to subsidizing other things such as agricorps, big pharma, etc. as "your world" is prone to desire.

Um ... where do you get that is a choice?

Now what about addressing my point? "Seriously, the only way you can think of paying for birth control is to hand it off to government. Personal responsibility and charity from your own pocket just aren't part of your world"

You know nothing about "my world". Shall we assume "your world" is all about greed and personal entitlement? You have to pay taxes. If you feel our taxes shouldn't be paying for that - fine. We disagree on that. I feel our taxes SHOULD because the cost of not preventing teen pregnancy is so much higher.

No, it isn't.

Since the feds started interfering with the sexual development and fertility of our youths, stds and teen pregnancy costs have SKYROCKETED. So stop with the stupid, repetitive and false lie that "FEDERAL FUNDING OF BIRTH CONTROL SAVES US MONEY!" There's absolutely no support for that statement, and quite a bit of support for just the opposite.

Liberals are endlessly baffled that the concept of giving things away for free drives up cost. I'd say it is a remarkable phenomena except that it's driven by politically motivated intentional self delusion.

What they are saying is, but I whaaaaant it!

 

[kaz]

Then why do Canadians who can afford it come here for medical care?

That you live in a socialist country doesn't excuse that you don't know how insurance works. You have benefits and the rates are charged on the benefits you have. Forcing an insurance company to add a benefit means there is an extra cost for that because you weren't being charged for it before becuase you didn't have that benefit. Shame on you for not knowing that, it's pathetic.

So do you send claims into your car insurance for oil changes? Why not? You have car insurance, right? Dumb ass

Yet, if you ASK those Canadians if they'd trade their system for ours, you'll find overwelmingly the answer is "no".

Then why do the ones who can afford it come here for medical care?

But wow, what a point. Canadians like having other people paying their bills for them. I'll give you that is how most people are like here too. You know, like you ...

For the same reason rich people all over go to different countries or out-of-plan places for health care - because they can, because they feel it's better, because they can get it quicker. In the end though - they don't want what we have and have emphatically stated that.

Canadians also die of heart disease and cancer at higher rates. Equal access to healthcare means many don't get it until after they are dead

That doesn't necessarily mean that the death rates from those diseases are caused by access to health care - there are a lot of factors that go into that.

Do some reading on the subject and the time it takes in Canada to get healthcare