Why Progressives always call it "Reform"

[CrusaderFrank]

Wow, you posted four content-less threads about the health care debate? Clearly you did read the bills! That just leaves us with the mystery of why you don't know jack shit about the reform law.

Because it's not "Reform", nOOb.

 

[The T]

Wow, you posted four content-less threads about the health care debate? Clearly you did read the bills! That just leaves us with the mystery of why you don't know jack shit about the reform law.

I'd like to ask too? Whom are you working for? Which part of Gubmint? Or are you in the employ of Soros or one of those people?

 

[Greenbeard]

I'd like to ask too? Whom are you working for? Which part of Gubmint? Or are you in the employ of Soros or one of those people?

Believe it or not, you don't need top secret clearance to read a fucking bill that's been publicly available on the internet for 8 months (psst, there's this thing called the Library of Congress).

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Wow, you posted four content-less threads about the health care debate? Clearly you did read the bills! That just leaves us with the mystery of why you don't know jack shit about the reform law.

The reason I'm your worst fucking nightmare is because I'm not a paid poster, not a politician, not a staffer, not here to spew RNC talking points, not a policy wonk, not on anybody's campaign or think tank.

I'm an American citizen and you made the big mistake of pissing me off enough to take an interest in what you were up to.

And it's still not "Reform"

 

[Greenbeard]

...not here to spew RNC talking points...

And fail. This would likely carry more weight in a thread where you haven't been spewing RNC talking points (if such a thread exists). For future reference.

 

[The T]

I'd like to ask too? Whom are you working for? Which part of Gubmint? Or are you in the employ of Soros or one of those people?

Believe it or not, you don't need top secret clearance to read a fucking bill that's been publicly available on the internet for 8 months (psst, there's this thing called the Library of Congress).

I said nothing of clearences did I? Fact is? You've been coming in here with all sorts of sources of info...and the like ALL pro government stance on a myriad of subjects.

I had you pegged the day you came here. You're an infiltrator from the Gubmint. Go ahead...admit it. Whom do you work for?

 

[Greenbeard]

You've been coming in here with all sorts of sources of info...\

Facts and sources?!

 

[JBeukema]

Wow, you posted four content-less threads about the health care debate? Clearly you did read the bills! That just leaves us with the mystery of why you don't know jack shit about the reform law.

Because it's not "Reform", nOOb.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

...not here to spew RNC talking points...

And fail. This would likely carry more weight in a thread where you haven't been spewing RNC talking points (if such a thread exists). For future reference.

Again. Epic Fail. EPIC!

If the RNC had any interest in winning they would shitcan Steele ASAP and beg Palin to take over and organize a national campaign this fall.

The RNC is doing all it can to keep the Dem losses to a bare minimum.

There are millions like me. I don't always get it right, but I here to talk it through and trade ideas with people all over this once great country.

Just deal with that.

 

[Big Fitz]

The truth, of course, lies somewhere in between.

Yes. but it still results in the destruction of free enterprise for the sake of an unconstitutional government tyranny.

The truth, of course, lies somewhere in between. A large amount of federal money is going to be pumped into private insurance pools to shore them up, and a large number of new customers will be entering those pools (in fact, the customers are the ones bringing the federal money, so they get to choose which private pool that money will be directed to). However, insurers get new strings attached to them regarding how they treat their customers.

Funny... they don't have the power to do that.

At this stage in his career, I doubt he cares much anymore.

Of course not. He's in endgame mode. He doesn't give a shit about anything except passing the progressofascist agenda or setting it up for the next one we mistakenly elect. I wouldn't put it past him to try and manufacture a crisis to prevent the transfer of power in 2012 once he's thrown out of office. I very easily could see him trying to pull a Zalaya on us.

She said it has to be implemented before you'll know what's in it. And that's because you didn't bother to read it or find reliable sources about what's in it.

Not even congress had a chance to. A distinction without a meaning. What they did should be classified as treason. It is a direct legislative assault on the constitution... voting on any legislation of such sweeping changes and culture changing power without reading it is tantamount to criminal dereliction of duty, as if they had an agenda to do so for ulterior motive.

Which leads to a great deal of confusion (see the guy above who thinks you can be arrested for ignoring the mandate or that the law gives the government access to your bank account) which won't be cleared up until the law is implemented. It's regrettable that misinformation and laziness rule the day but that does seem to be the situation.

I don't think the confusion is unintentional either. Otherwise it would be easy to both find AND read this legislation instead of hiding it in labyrinthian websites with multiple copies of the legislation, all saying something different as well as being a maze of legalese referring to different sections clauses and folderol.

But... I don't think that matters to the progressofascists who have crafted it. They never follow the rule of law anyway... unless it suits them.

 

[Big Fitz]

I pulled it from the bill itself.

Again, no you didn't. That shit may work with the bootlickers who want to believe your bullshit and don't care much for facts but you can't lie to me. I read each incarnation of each health care bill that came out last year so when you try to pull text from H.R. 3200 and pretend it's from the Affordable Care Act, I know. And since I can also understand what I'm reading, when you completely distort what a sentence says, again, I know.

But I'm giving you too much credit. I've seen the list of fantasy provisions about H.R. 3200 you drew that from. I saw it when it came out in June of 2009. The creators of that list are the ones who fabricated and distorted, you just unwittingly passed their bullshit on.

[singing]Do the health care shuffle... uhhhh huhhhh....[/singing]

 

[RevRabbiJCG]

Liberals like to call themselves Progressives which is a loose translation of another name: Socialist. And if anyone can clearly see it doesn't take long for a nation to go from Socialist to Communist if left unchecked.

 

[HUGGY]

Liberals like to call themselves Progressives which is a loose translation of another name: Socialist. And if anyone can clearly see it doesn't take long for a nation to go from Socialist to Communist if left unchecked.

This isn't the kiddie board you pompus little prick. I look forward to tearing a piece off of you every day you show up. Then I will distribute those stinking little pieces all around like a good communist. Maybe if you are lucky I will tack your worthless hide up in "The List" after I toy with your dumb self absorbed ass for a while.

 

[Big Fitz]

Liberals like to call themselves Progressives which is a loose translation of another name: Socialist. And if anyone can clearly see it doesn't take long for a nation to go from Socialist to Communist if left unchecked.

As I keep reminding people, we have the Leftist Rainbow:

Liberalism = Socialism = Communism = Progressivism = Marxism = Fascism

No matter which one of these paths you take, the application always leads you to an authoritarian tyrannical hell of total government control.

Learn it, love it.

This isn't the kiddie board you pompus little prick. I look forward to tearing a piece off of you every day you show up. Then I will distribute those stinking little pieces all around like a good communist. Maybe if you are lucky I will tack your worthless hide up in "The List" after I toy with your dumb self absorbed ass for a while.

Huggy, put it back in your pants. It's small and unimpressive and nobody cares how much you can piss through it. I've seen more impressive bar straws.

Leftist freakout in 3...2...1...

 

[JBeukema]

Liberals like to call themselves Progressives which is a loose translation of another name: Socialist. And if anyone can clearly see it doesn't take long for a nation to go from Socialist to Communist if left unchecked.

As I keep reminding people, we have the Leftist Rainbow:

Liberalism = Socialism = Communism = Progressivism = Marxism = Fascism

That's right, folks

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[HUGGY]

Liberals like to call themselves Progressives which is a loose translation of another name: Socialist. And if anyone can clearly see it doesn't take long for a nation to go from Socialist to Communist if left unchecked.

As I keep reminding people, we have the Leftist Rainbow:

Liberalism = Socialism = Communism = Progressivism = Marxism = Fascism

No matter which one of these paths you take, the application always leads you to an authoritarian tyrannical hell of total government control.

Learn it, love it.

This isn't the kiddie board you pompus little prick. I look forward to tearing a piece off of you every day you show up. Then I will distribute those stinking little pieces all around like a good communist. Maybe if you are lucky I will tack your worthless hide up in "The List" after I toy with your dumb self absorbed ass for a while.

Huggy, put it back in your pants. It's small and unimpressive and nobody cares how much you can piss through it. I've seen more impressive bar straws.

Leftist freakout in 3...2...1...

Don't stain your panties. I wasn't talking to you. But since you want attention...What is it with your obssesion with the size of my penis? I remember o so well the Christian Fundimentalist freaks in the senate drooling over the possibility of getting a peak at Clintons dick. You people are disgusting.

 

[Big Fitz]

Liberals like to call themselves Progressives which is a loose translation of another name: Socialist. And if anyone can clearly see it doesn't take long for a nation to go from Socialist to Communist if left unchecked.

As I keep reminding people, we have the Leftist Rainbow:

Liberalism = Socialism = Communism = Progressivism = Marxism = Fascism

No matter which one of these paths you take, the application always leads you to an authoritarian tyrannical hell of total government control.

Learn it, love it.

This isn't the kiddie board you pompus little prick. I look forward to tearing a piece off of you every day you show up. Then I will distribute those stinking little pieces all around like a good communist. Maybe if you are lucky I will tack your worthless hide up in "The List" after I toy with your dumb self absorbed ass for a while.

Huggy, put it back in your pants. It's small and unimpressive and nobody cares how much you can piss through it. I've seen more impressive bar straws.

Leftist freakout in 3...2...1...

Don't stain your panties. I wasn't talking to you. But since you want attention...What is it with your obssesion with the size of my penis? I remember o so well the Christian Fundimentalist freaks in the senate drooling over the possibility of getting a peak at Clintons dick. You people are disgusting.

You're the one who wanted to measure size and production with the new guy with your innerweb tough guy act. Figured I'd clue the new guy in as to what he was up against.

My bad for being helpful.

 

[Modbert]

The reason I'm your worst fucking nightmare is because I'm not a paid poster, not a politician, not a staffer, not here to spew RNC talking points, not a policy wonk, not on anybody's campaign or think tank.

I'm an American citizen and you made the big mistake of pissing me off enough to take an interest in what you were up to.

And it's still not "Reform"

You're a hack Frank. You accuse Greenbeard of being a paid shill with no evidence, but don't mind that Sinatra does it. Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[HUGGY]

As I keep reminding people, we have the Leftist Rainbow:

Liberalism = Socialism = Communism = Progressivism = Marxism = Fascism

No matter which one of these paths you take, the application always leads you to an authoritarian tyrannical hell of total government control.

Learn it, love it.



Huggy, put it back in your pants. It's small and unimpressive and nobody cares how much you can piss through it. I've seen more impressive bar straws.

Leftist freakout in 3...2...1...

Don't stain your panties. I wasn't talking to you. But since you want attention...What is it with your obssesion with the size of my penis? I remember o so well the Christian Fundimentalist freaks in the senate drooling over the possibility of getting a peak at Clintons dick. You people are disgusting.

You're the one who wanted to measure size and production with the new guy with your innerweb tough guy act. Figured I'd clue the new guy in as to what he was up against.

My bad for being helpful.

Nothing all that dramatic... I just read one of his posts and thought?... HMMmmmm?? That was stupid. Then dropped by his public messages and it was confirmed.

So I stumbled onto this thread an offered an introduction.. Simple as pie!

Internet tough guy? Puullleezzz! There was a drive by at the motel sat... Actual gunfire..got shot at through the bathroom window... What ever on the internet would compare with that? This is all meaningless nonsense. It's fun..kills time..that's about it.

 

[Woyzeck]

Hell, my state government requires me to have car insurance in order to even drive a damned car. Again, just how is this fundamentally changing the government?

You don't have to buy a car. Second, you can drive a car without insurance, as long as it doesn't leave private property. Thirdly, a car is property, not a part of you. Fourth, cars are not a right. Fifth, there is no power in the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT that allows the forcing the purchase of a product for citizenship.

Fail x 5

No, you don't have to buy a car, nothing's forcing you. But keep in mind, alternatives to car transport aren't exactly everywhere in America. We've got well over 200 million registered cars, drivers with licenses number around the 200 million mark. There's a great affinity for cars in the United States, and there's a great need for them. Almost everyone requires car insurance if they drive a car, if they don't, they don't need it. But tell me how requiring people to purchase health insurance is different? People can't simply opt out and not 'drive' their bodies around, and people could opt out of cars, but the vast majority of people would find themselves inconvenienced by it.

Two, you can drive a car sans insurance as long as it doesn't leave private property? Aren't roads public, government property technically? I don't see what this point has to do with anything, since, as I stated in the above paragraph a car is almost required everywhere in the United States to get anywhere. At some point during driving a car, you will leave private property.

Your third point is true, this is fact. However, as stated twice previously, cars are very much required for transport, and our cars outnumber registered drivers comfortably. Public transit is not an option everywhere for alternatives to be viable.

Fourth, this is also true. Car's aren't a right, but since you seem to be listing the differences between it and health care, does this mean you consider health care a right now? Than why are you advocating against the health insurance mandate? Surely you must be all for it, but perhaps you think its not liberal enough?

Fifth, what makes state governments so special? Why should we allow them to mandate what citizens should buy, and not allow the federal government?

Again, just how is this fundamentally changing the government?

Look at it from an abortion point of view. By forcing a woman to get insurance, they can control the means in which is administered and she has no recourse because she must have health insurance. So if they tell her to abort her child, she must. If she must carry the child to term, she must.

A woman no longer has the right to control her own body thanks to health care.

How's that sit with your relativistic morals?

...lolwhut? That's some of the most fucked up logic you've ever touted, and I've heard you spout all liberals are fascists. I wasn't aware of a few things, that 1) the bill gave the government the power to decide what procedures people can have done, and 2) the government owned all the insurance companies so they could do as such to the entire population. I'm sure you have a link to which specific part of the bill that makes everyone buy health insurance that gives such power to the government, even in private companies?

This logic is so stupid, I must commend you for your high degree of trolling here. No one would actually use an example as silly and fucked up as that.

My analysis is so spot on it's staggering.

Progressives have honed to perfection the the notion of selling a fundamental transformation as "reform" with Health Care "reform" and banking "reform" being the 2 most recent examples.

Health Care "Reform" is a total, fundamental rewrite of the relationship between the Government and the people (subjects or conquered also fits) The government directs you what you MUST purchase and then monitors you forever! That's "reform"

And because they don't want their game exposed, they come here still telling me/us, "Who are you going to believe us or your lying eyes?"

A 2,000 page document no one read, and Democrats (Sen Dingell) are now on record as saying it finally gives them the control they've sought for the past 100 years over the American people, but I'm wrong about Reform.

Yeah. Sure.

Changing the relationship between government and it's people? Frank, for Christ's sake, the government making people buy insurance is nothing new. Hell, my state government requires me to have car insurance in order to even drive a damned car. Again, just how is this fundamentally changing the government?

See? There is is again, who are you going to believe a Progressive or your lying eyes?

This is not a state making sure you have car insurance which is perfectly appropriate and at your option; if you can't afford it or don't feel like you should be driving anymore, you don't have to get car insurance.

Do you understand that Health Care "Reform" is from the Federal Government and no one can opt out?

That's a key here and I'm not sure you understand that.

This is the formerly limited Federal Government directing and dictating all human activity for ALL its citizens in all 50 states

As I pointed out above, not getting car insurance is difficult in a nation where driving and cars are national pastimes. I'm still not sure how any of this relates to what Machiavelli wrote in the Discourses' chapter you quoted, or to a fundamental change in government. As I mentioned with my car insurance example, government telling citizens what to buy is nothing new. Hell, the federal government dictating what people should or shouldn't do isn't new either. We can't own slaves, or segregate or do anything the federal government has had to step in and enforce.