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The telling part of this speech was not Obamas love of Federal planning and projects as has been expounded upon by many pundits, but of his hate of American capitalism and what made America greatthe strength of individual achievement and private industry, not government.
Nonsense.The telling part of this speech was not Obamas love of Federal planning and projects as has been expounded upon by many pundits, but of his hate of American capitalism and what made America greatthe strength of individual achievement and private industry, not government.
America is made great by the blending of private and public sectors, each addressing issues both know best and which are appropriate for either to indeed address. In a modern industrialized society there is no hard, bold border between public and private.
I wonder what Henry Ford would have thought if he would have heard these words coming out of a president of the U.S. ?
I would love to see the business climate if government didn't enforce physical or intellectual property rights.
Rightwing nirvana!
The government doesn't enforce those rights. They determine who has them and what damages are due through litigation brought by businesspersons.
So when someone breaks into a store and steals physical property, the people you call to reclaim your merchandise and catch the thief, the ones carrying guns and tasers, aren't government employees?
I'm not sure which country you live in, but here in the United States the police are government employees funded by tax dollars. YRMV.
History is full of examples of the government taking on projects that are huge because they believe they wouldn't happen otherwise. History is also full of examples of projects that businesses took on because they were needed. My favorite example of the latter is one of Obama's talking points when he claims that the government is indispensable.
So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. Thats how we funded the GI Bill. Thats how we created the middle class. Thats how we built the Golden Gate Bridge...
Turns out that the government actually did everything it could to stop the Golden Gate bridge, and that, ultimately, it was built because of one man.
A second problem in 1929 when the US Stock Market collapsed made for more problems. The Golden Gate committee now has trouble issuing the bond needed for the construction of the bridge, even though the citizens of the surrounding area had put up their own personal lands and farms as collateral. It takes 3 more years and the wealthy President and founder of Bank of America, A.P. Giannini, to personally buy the 35 million dollar bond which he then finances through the bank. Without the bank and the intervention of private industry fueled by personal wealth, again the bridge would not have been built. By 1937 the bridge is completedand Strauss delivers the bridge 1.7 million UNDER budget, using local non-union labor and private contractors.
www.thomas-purcell.com: Obama's Golden Gate Sized Error
Want to know what else got built without the government?
I'm interested, what else?
How can government do the right thing to help productivity and the employment it fosters? Get out of the fucking way.
I would love to see the business climate if government didn't enforce physical or intellectual property rights.
Rightwing nirvana!
The government doesn't enforce those rights. They determine who has them and what damages are due through litigation brought by businesspersons.
So when someone breaks into a store and steals physical property, the people you call to reclaim your merchandise and catch the thief, the ones carrying guns and tasers, aren't government employees?
I'm not sure which country you live in, but here in the United States the police are government employees funded by tax dollars. YRMV.
Nonsense.The telling part of this speech was not Obamas love of Federal planning and projects as has been expounded upon by many pundits, but of his hate of American capitalism and what made America greatthe strength of individual achievement and private industry, not government.
America is made great by the blending of private and public sectors, each addressing issues both know best and which are appropriate for either to indeed address. In a modern industrialized society there is no hard, bold border between public and private.
What issues does the public sector know best?
Other than making life hard for the private sector.
The government doesn't enforce those rights. They determine who has them and what damages are due through litigation brought by businesspersons.
So when someone breaks into a store and steals physical property, the people you call to reclaim your merchandise and catch the thief, the ones carrying guns and tasers, aren't government employees?
I'm not sure which country you live in, but here in the United States the police are government employees funded by tax dollars. YRMV.
Tax dollars that are already paid in greater percentage by businesses. My city and my county take a percentage of my profits in direct tax every year as well being required to pay each of them personal property taxes on every shelf and piece of equipment I own, even down to a stapler. And that doesn't count the property taxes on the building that my landlord pays.
I would love to see the business climate if government didn't enforce physical or intellectual property rights.
Rightwing nirvana!
Strangely enough, Google has made billions by making as much as possible freely available to everyone.
Very well reasoned and detailed response their, windbag.The police don't track down people that aren't reported by the businessowner.
Of course they do! Any time there is a break in and police learn of it, they attempt to enforce the law by apprehending the suspect.
No, it doesn't. You attempted to deny that the government enforces property rights -a claim that is, on its face, wholly inaccurate and wrong. In fact, the most basic function of government is to enforce and protect intellectual and physical property rights.They also can't prosecute in most cases without a complaint from the businessowner. Citizens can also arrest people. See your generalized statement has a few flaws.
You are either incredibly naive or really stupid.
The MAIN reason Obama is wrong...........
What he fails to realize is that the "government" IS the people.
So when the Tea Party Imbeciles say they hate the US Government, what they are really saying is they hate the American people?
welcome to reality.
we have a wingnut detox center that will help you out -- free -- the people fund it -- the people fund it through their government
So now you admit that the government enforces the law and protects property rights?The police don't track down people that aren't reported by the businessowner.
Of course they do! Any time there is a break in and police learn of it, they attempt to enforce the law by apprehending the suspect.
They also can't prosecute in most cases without a complaint from the businessowner. Citizens can also arrest people. See your generalized statement has a few flaws.
No, it doesn't. You attempted to deny that the government enforces property rights -a claim that is, on its face, wholly inaccurate and wrong. In fact, the most basic function of government is to enforce and protect intellectual and physical property rights.
Exactly, not all crimes are reported. Also, the courts enforce the law, police make arrests and detain people. A plaintiff requests the laws be enforced.
you said:The government doesn't enforce those rights.
you said:the courts enforce the law,
History is full of examples of the government taking on projects that are huge because they believe they wouldn't happen otherwise. History is also full of examples of projects that businesses took on because they were needed. My favorite example of the latter is one of Obama's talking points when he claims that the government is indispensable.
So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. Thats how we funded the GI Bill. Thats how we created the middle class. Thats how we built the Golden Gate Bridge...
Turns out that the government actually did everything it could to stop the Golden Gate bridge, and that, ultimately, it was built because of one man.
In fact, it was the One Percenters, as is the term coined of the rich and powerful these days, that built the Golden Gate, not government. More importantly, it was government that posed more obstacles for the building of the bridge than any other entity and if the Department of Defense had their way it never would have been built at all.
Some basic research into the building of the bridge indicated that the original architect of the bridge, Joseph Strauss (who also designed a bridge to be built over the Bering Strait) faced numerous obstacles from government after his original proposal to them in 1921. Several years earlier the government had done a study about building a bridge in those waters and had come to the conclusion that it was impossible to build a bridge from the city to Marin County. San Francisco City Engineer Michael O'Shaughnessy had requested the United States Coast and Geodetic Survey to make soundings of the channel bottom. The U.S.S. Natoma completed the sounding of the channel in May 1920, and after receiving the Natoma's survey data, O'Shaughnessy consults engineers from around the country about feasibility and cost. Many say it cannot be done, and if it can be the cost would exceed $100 million. The idea was then shelved until Strauss comes forward with his design.
A second problem in 1929 when the US Stock Market collapsed made for more problems. The Golden Gate committee now has trouble issuing the bond needed for the construction of the bridge, even though the citizens of the surrounding area had put up their own personal lands and farms as collateral. It takes 3 more years and the wealthy President and founder of Bank of America, A.P. Giannini, to personally buy the 35 million dollar bond which he then finances through the bank. Without the bank and the intervention of private industry fueled by personal wealth, again the bridge would not have been built. By 1937 the bridge is completedand Strauss delivers the bridge 1.7 million UNDER budget, using local non-union labor and private contractors.
www.thomas-purcell.com: Obama's Golden Gate Sized Error
Want to know what else got built without the government?
The government doesn't enforce those rights. They determine who has them and what damages are due through litigation brought by businesspersons.
So when someone breaks into a store and steals physical property, the people you call to reclaim your merchandise and catch the thief, the ones carrying guns and tasers, aren't government employees?
I'm not sure which country you live in, but here in the United States the police are government employees funded by tax dollars. YRMV.
Where were those cops when the alarm the owner bought from a private company went off?
I'm afraid you think you have a point. When it comes time to arrest the perp and try him for his crimes, will that be a private sector function? OR does government enforce private property rights. (hint: in the United States, the government enforces private property rights. YRMV)The owner probably gave the cops the surveillance tape from the camera that he bought from a private company. Then he called his private insurance company to cover the cost of his losses.
