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Why ISIS is Americas Problem
- Thread starter Geaux4it
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- Oct 7, 2011
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ISIS is America's creation. It was created with the help of Saudi and British intelligence. They want Assad dead. Many Rebel groups in Syria are being funded & armed by the Saudis and West. ISIS is just one of them. They didn't just magically appear with all that cash and weapons. It was provided to them.
My guess is, they'll continue to use ISIS and allow them more gains until they kill Assad. Once that happens, ISIS with ether rapidly fade away, or be killed by those who created it. Because there's little doubt the U.S. and allies are allowing ISIS to make gains. But that'll change once Assad is dead. But then again, that could all be crazy tin foil hat stuff. You decide for yourself.
My guess is, they'll continue to use ISIS and allow them more gains until they kill Assad. Once that happens, ISIS with ether rapidly fade away, or be killed by those who created it. Because there's little doubt the U.S. and allies are allowing ISIS to make gains. But that'll change once Assad is dead. But then again, that could all be crazy tin foil hat stuff. You decide for yourself.
Wildman
Gold Member
No one is buying your ridiculous lies.
you are so fucking stupid and brain dead you can not tell the difference between lies and FACTS !
simply due to your lock on liberism.
- Oct 7, 2011
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WTG Rand! Tellin it like it is again. He better be careful though. His Father taught him that 'Truth is Treason in the Empire of Lies.'
IMHO...
Our going into Afghanistan was 'righteous', but we should have been in-and-out of there within six months, and not tried nation-building.
Our going into Iraq was 'unnecessary', but we should have been in-and-out of there within six months, once we killed Saddam and his sons, and not tried nation-building.
In the final analysis, ISIS is a product of the Arab Spring, not American intervention in the region.
American intervention in the region merely accelerated its solidification and accelerated its ability to gain traction.
The Arab Spring infected Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain, and Syria, among others, with special emphasis on both Egypt and Syria.
The Arabs of the region were already well along the road to throwing off Western influence and returning to a fundamentalist flavor of populism.
Our misguided intervention in Iraq merely aggravated or accelerated what was already underway and which would have unfolded anyway, given a year or two or three.
We are dealing with a resurgent and re-awakening and re-militarizing Islam, people.
If it wasn't Excuse A (for the revolts and violence and in-fighting amongst themseleves), ir would have been Excuse B... we were just the Excuse du jour.
Have we acted stupidly and foolishly, in thinking that we could talk sense into these Neanderthals, and bring about stability and lasting peace, and that we could nation-build, given the piss-poor raw material that we had to work with over there?
Yep.
Is is entirely (or even mostly) our doing?
Nope.
Enough of the whiny bleeding-heart hair-shirt behaviors...
Our going into Afghanistan was 'righteous', but we should have been in-and-out of there within six months, and not tried nation-building.
Our going into Iraq was 'unnecessary', but we should have been in-and-out of there within six months, once we killed Saddam and his sons, and not tried nation-building.
In the final analysis, ISIS is a product of the Arab Spring, not American intervention in the region.
American intervention in the region merely accelerated its solidification and accelerated its ability to gain traction.
The Arab Spring infected Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain, and Syria, among others, with special emphasis on both Egypt and Syria.
The Arabs of the region were already well along the road to throwing off Western influence and returning to a fundamentalist flavor of populism.
Our misguided intervention in Iraq merely aggravated or accelerated what was already underway and which would have unfolded anyway, given a year or two or three.
We are dealing with a resurgent and re-awakening and re-militarizing Islam, people.
If it wasn't Excuse A (for the revolts and violence and in-fighting amongst themseleves), ir would have been Excuse B... we were just the Excuse du jour.
Have we acted stupidly and foolishly, in thinking that we could talk sense into these Neanderthals, and bring about stability and lasting peace, and that we could nation-build, given the piss-poor raw material that we had to work with over there?
Yep.
Is is entirely (or even mostly) our doing?
Nope.
Enough of the whiny bleeding-heart hair-shirt behaviors...
IMHO...
Our going into Afghanistan was 'righteous', but we should have been in-and-out of there within six months, and not tried nation-building.
Our going into Iraq was 'unnecessary', but we should have been in-and-out of there within six months, once we killed Saddam and his sons, and not tried nation-building.
In the final analysis, ISIS is a product of the Arab Spring, not American intervention in the region.
American intervention in the region merely accelerated its solidification and accelerated its ability to gain traction.
The Arab Spring infected Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain, and Syria, among others, with special emphasis on both Egypt and Syria.
The Arabs of the region were already well along the road to throwing off Western influence and returning to a fundamentalist flavor of populism.
Our misguided intervention in Iraq merely aggravated or accelerated what was already underway and which would have unfolded anyway, given a year or two or three.
We are dealing with a resurgent and re-awakening and re-militarizing Islam, people.
If it wasn't Excuse A (for the revolts and violence and in-fighting amongst themseleves), ir would have been Excuse B... we were just the Excuse du jour.
Have we acted stupidly and foolishly, in thinking that we could talk sense into these Neanderthals, and bring about stability and lasting peace, and that we could nation-build, given the piss-poor raw material that we had to work with over there?
Yep.
Is is entirely (or even mostly) our doing?
Nope.
Enough of the whiny bleeding-heart hair-shirt behaviors...
Dude, your boy Bush fucked this up. Deal with it.
I stand by my earlier observation.IMHO...
Our going into Afghanistan was 'righteous', but we should have been in-and-out of there within six months, and not tried nation-building.
Our going into Iraq was 'unnecessary', but we should have been in-and-out of there within six months, once we killed Saddam and his sons, and not tried nation-building.
In the final analysis, ISIS is a product of the Arab Spring, not American intervention in the region.
American intervention in the region merely accelerated its solidification and accelerated its ability to gain traction.
The Arab Spring infected Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain, and Syria, among others, with special emphasis on both Egypt and Syria.
The Arabs of the region were already well along the road to throwing off Western influence and returning to a fundamentalist flavor of populism.
Our misguided intervention in Iraq merely aggravated or accelerated what was already underway and which would have unfolded anyway, given a year or two or three.
We are dealing with a resurgent and re-awakening and re-militarizing Islam, people.
If it wasn't Excuse A (for the revolts and violence and in-fighting amongst themseleves), ir would have been Excuse B... we were just the Excuse du jour.
Have we acted stupidly and foolishly, in thinking that we could talk sense into these Neanderthals, and bring about stability and lasting peace, and that we could nation-build, given the piss-poor raw material that we had to work with over there?
Yep.
Is is entirely (or even mostly) our doing?
Nope.
Enough of the whiny bleeding-heart hair-shirt behaviors...
Dude, your boy Bush fucked this up. Deal with it.
Whatever makes you more comfortable with your Islamophobia and racism, dude.I stand by my earlier observation
EdwardBaiamonte
Platinum Member
- Nov 23, 2011
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IMHO...
Our going into Afghanistan was 'righteous', but we should have been in-and-out of there within six months, and not tried nation-building.
Our going into Iraq was 'unnecessary', but we should have been in-and-out of there within six months, once we killed Saddam and his sons, and not tried nation-building.
In the final analysis, ISIS is a product of the Arab Spring, not American intervention in the region.
American intervention in the region merely accelerated its solidification and accelerated its ability to gain traction.
The Arab Spring infected Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain, and Syria, among others, with special emphasis on both Egypt and Syria.
The Arabs of the region were already well along the road to throwing off Western influence and returning to a fundamentalist flavor of populism.
Our misguided intervention in Iraq merely aggravated or accelerated what was already underway and which would have unfolded anyway, given a year or two or three.
We are dealing with a resurgent and re-awakening and re-militarizing Islam, people.
If it wasn't Excuse A (for the revolts and violence and in-fighting amongst themseleves), ir would have been Excuse B... we were just the Excuse du jour.
Have we acted stupidly and foolishly, in thinking that we could talk sense into these Neanderthals, and bring about stability and lasting peace, and that we could nation-build, given the piss-poor raw material that we had to work with over there?
Yep.
Is is entirely (or even mostly) our doing?
Nope.
Enough of the whiny bleeding-heart hair-shirt behaviors...
Dude, your boy Bush fucked this up. Deal with it.
Dear, Bush won the war, and Obama lost it by pulling out too soon. He learned the lesson and is not pulling out of Afghanistan the same way.
NYcarbineer
Diamond Member
IMHO...
Our going into Afghanistan was 'righteous', but we should have been in-and-out of there within six months, and not tried nation-building.
Our going into Iraq was 'unnecessary', but we should have been in-and-out of there within six months, once we killed Saddam and his sons, and not tried nation-building.
In the final analysis, ISIS is a product of the Arab Spring, not American intervention in the region.
American intervention in the region merely accelerated its solidification and accelerated its ability to gain traction.
The Arab Spring infected Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain, and Syria, among others, with special emphasis on both Egypt and Syria.
The Arabs of the region were already well along the road to throwing off Western influence and returning to a fundamentalist flavor of populism.
Our misguided intervention in Iraq merely aggravated or accelerated what was already underway and which would have unfolded anyway, given a year or two or three.
We are dealing with a resurgent and re-awakening and re-militarizing Islam, people.
If it wasn't Excuse A (for the revolts and violence and in-fighting amongst themseleves), ir would have been Excuse B... we were just the Excuse du jour.
Have we acted stupidly and foolishly, in thinking that we could talk sense into these Neanderthals, and bring about stability and lasting peace, and that we could nation-build, given the piss-poor raw material that we had to work with over there?
Yep.
Is is entirely (or even mostly) our doing?
Nope.
Enough of the whiny bleeding-heart hair-shirt behaviors...
Dude, your boy Bush fucked this up. Deal with it.
Dear, Bush won the war, and Obama lost it by pulling out too soon. He learned the lesson and is not pulling out of Afghanistan the same way.
No, he didn't. If Bush had won the war, the Iraqi military wouldn't be running pell mell away from ISIS.
NYcarbineer
Diamond Member
Iraq is Vietnam. The Iraqi Army is ARVN.
The sooner we say fuck it and leave the better.
The sooner we say fuck it and leave the better.
EdwardBaiamonte
Platinum Member
- Nov 23, 2011
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IMHO...
Our going into Afghanistan was 'righteous', but we should have been in-and-out of there within six months, and not tried nation-building.
Our going into Iraq was 'unnecessary', but we should have been in-and-out of there within six months, once we killed Saddam and his sons, and not tried nation-building.
In the final analysis, ISIS is a product of the Arab Spring, not American intervention in the region.
American intervention in the region merely accelerated its solidification and accelerated its ability to gain traction.
The Arab Spring infected Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain, and Syria, among others, with special emphasis on both Egypt and Syria.
The Arabs of the region were already well along the road to throwing off Western influence and returning to a fundamentalist flavor of populism.
Our misguided intervention in Iraq merely aggravated or accelerated what was already underway and which would have unfolded anyway, given a year or two or three.
We are dealing with a resurgent and re-awakening and re-militarizing Islam, people.
If it wasn't Excuse A (for the revolts and violence and in-fighting amongst themseleves), ir would have been Excuse B... we were just the Excuse du jour.
Have we acted stupidly and foolishly, in thinking that we could talk sense into these Neanderthals, and bring about stability and lasting peace, and that we could nation-build, given the piss-poor raw material that we had to work with over there?
Yep.
Is is entirely (or even mostly) our doing?
Nope.
Enough of the whiny bleeding-heart hair-shirt behaviors...
Dude, your boy Bush fucked this up. Deal with it.
Dear, Bush won the war, and Obama lost it by pulling out too soon. He learned the lesson and is not pulling out of Afghanistan the same way.
No, he didn't. If Bush had won the war, the Iraqi military wouldn't be running pell mell away from ISIS.
Dear Iraq military was abandoned by Obama. Thats why Obama is not making same mistake in Afghanistan.
Do you understand???
NYcarbineer
Diamond Member
IMHO...
Our going into Afghanistan was 'righteous', but we should have been in-and-out of there within six months, and not tried nation-building.
Our going into Iraq was 'unnecessary', but we should have been in-and-out of there within six months, once we killed Saddam and his sons, and not tried nation-building.
In the final analysis, ISIS is a product of the Arab Spring, not American intervention in the region.
American intervention in the region merely accelerated its solidification and accelerated its ability to gain traction.
The Arab Spring infected Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain, and Syria, among others, with special emphasis on both Egypt and Syria.
The Arabs of the region were already well along the road to throwing off Western influence and returning to a fundamentalist flavor of populism.
Our misguided intervention in Iraq merely aggravated or accelerated what was already underway and which would have unfolded anyway, given a year or two or three.
We are dealing with a resurgent and re-awakening and re-militarizing Islam, people.
If it wasn't Excuse A (for the revolts and violence and in-fighting amongst themseleves), ir would have been Excuse B... we were just the Excuse du jour.
Have we acted stupidly and foolishly, in thinking that we could talk sense into these Neanderthals, and bring about stability and lasting peace, and that we could nation-build, given the piss-poor raw material that we had to work with over there?
Yep.
Is is entirely (or even mostly) our doing?
Nope.
Enough of the whiny bleeding-heart hair-shirt behaviors...
Dude, your boy Bush fucked this up. Deal with it.
Dear, Bush won the war, and Obama lost it by pulling out too soon. He learned the lesson and is not pulling out of Afghanistan the same way.
No, he didn't. If Bush had won the war, the Iraqi military wouldn't be running pell mell away from ISIS.
Dear Iraq military was abandoned by Obama. Thats why Obama is not making same mistake in Afghanistan.
Do you understand???
I understand you're an idiot who has swallowed the latest rightwing propaganda machine's spew.
The Iraqis wanted us out. We got out. I say let them sink or swim. Let the ME solve its own problems.
[QUO
Dude, your boy Bush fucked this up. Deal with it.
Dear, Bush won the war, and Obama lost it by pulling out too soon. He learned the lesson and is not pulling out of Afghanistan the same way.
Are you some kind of retard? Bush didn't "win". He paid the Sunnis a bunch of bribes not to attack us while we were retreating. That's not a win, guy.
EdwardBaiamonte
Platinum Member
- Nov 23, 2011
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[QUO
Dude, your boy Bush fucked this up. Deal with it.
Dear, Bush won the war, and Obama lost it by pulling out too soon. He learned the lesson and is not pulling out of Afghanistan the same way.
Are you some kind of retard? Bush didn't "win". He paid the Sunnis a bunch of bribes not to attack us while we were retreating. That's not a win, guy.
Leon Panetta criticizes Obama for Iraq withdrawal - CBS News
www.cbsnews.com/.../leon-panetta-criticizes-obama-for-iraq-withdrawal/
Oct 2, 2014 ... Former Defense Secretary: U.S. in Syria too late, left Iraq too soon ... Mr.Obama rejected that analysis as "bogus and wrong" when he spoke to
[QUO
Dude, your boy Bush fucked this up. Deal with it.
Dear, Bush won the war, and Obama lost it by pulling out too soon. He learned the lesson and is not pulling out of Afghanistan the same way.
Are you some kind of retard? Bush didn't "win". He paid the Sunnis a bunch of bribes not to attack us while we were retreating. That's not a win, guy.
Leon Panetta criticizes Obama for Iraq withdrawal - CBS News
www.cbsnews.com/.../leon-panetta-criticizes-obama-for-iraq-withdrawal/
Oct 2, 2014 ... Former Defense Secretary: U.S. in Syria too late, left Iraq too soon ... Mr.Obama rejected that analysis as "bogus and wrong" when he spoke to
Screw Leon Panetta.
Here's the thing. Americans were sick and tired of watching their sons come home in body bags over Bush's LIES!!!
Obama fixed that.
I am not a racist.Whatever makes you more comfortable with your Islamophobia and racism, dude.I stand by my earlier observation
I am not an Islamophobe.
Islam is not a race.
I am not phobic (afraid) of Islam.
I despise Islam for the war-mongering, misogynistic, archaic, savage collective of make-believe practices, plagiarized dogma and hallucinogenic origins that it is.
Islam is incompatible with Western Culture and Western-style Democracy.
And I really don't give a damn whether that offends your Suicidal Liberal Mentality or not.
Because he's more on their side than he is on our side.Go over there and fight them.
Go over there and fight them.
Again.. can anyone answer one of my questions? Such as why Obama decided not to take out an over 1 mile ISIS victory parade in Ramadi?
-Geaux
He likes Muslims more than Americans.
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