Why I Could Never Be GOP or Libertarian

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

All you prove is that the GOP is producing a society of greedy assholes.

How do I prove that? Elaborate please. And last I checked, you're the one with your hand out expecting to be entitled to someone else's money.

And I don't need to provide the proof that Romney paid 12% in taxes last year.

Then shut the fuck up and go whine somewhere else because you don't know what you're talking about. You made the claim. The onus is on you to provide evidence to back up your claim. That's how it works here. If you aren't willing to do that don't expect others to take you seriously.

He provided his returns and thats how we know.

So it should be incredibly easy for you to link to it then.

Were you one of those Birthers who didn't believe Obama was born in America even after he showed you he was?

Google the term "Red Herring."

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

And if you think Ron Paul's way isn't just another way for the rich to take over our country. How is it that you guys understand the bankers are corrupt but you defend all the other robber barons like the Koch Brothers and the Insurance giants?

Feel free to produce a single quote of mine where I have even discussed the Koch Brothers and/or defended insurance companies.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

This is why I don't buy into Ron Paul. He and his croneys talk a good game about the bankers and the federal reserve, but they don't, for example, admit that Wallstreet Oil speculators are gouging us at the pumps. Ron Paul doesn't seem to have an answer to this other than let the markets decide.

You really are very uninformed about Ron Paul, and libertarian views in general. Corporate welfare is one of the prime targets.

Exactly. It's like I said before, the people who run around calling others ignorant tend to be the worst offenders.

 

[sealybobo]

America was created to get away from people just like the OP.

/thread.

1. There is no such thing as a "free market."

2. The "middle class" is the creation of government intervention in the marketplace, and won't exist without it (as millions of Americans and Europeans are discovering).

Democracy - Not "The Free Market" - Will Save America's Middle Class

 

[sealybobo]

This is why I don't buy into Ron Paul. He and his croneys talk a good game about the bankers and the federal reserve, but they don't, for example, admit that Wallstreet Oil speculators are gouging us at the pumps. Ron Paul doesn't seem to have an answer to this other than let the markets decide.

You really are very uninformed about Ron Paul, and libertarian views in general. Corporate welfare is one of the prime targets.

Exactly. It's like I said before, the people who run around calling others ignorant tend to be the worst offenders.

The Republican presidential campaign is not just about the presidential race. It is about using conservative language to strengthen conservative values in the brains of voters.

They have been pounding the most radical conservative ideas into the public mind by constant repetition during the Republican presidential campaign, popular or not. Cuts to social security and medicare? Selling "the commons" to corporations? Doing away with collective bargaining, union workers make too much, jobs Americans won't do, anti abortion laws, tax breaks for the rich, war, deregulations, etc.

So even if unpopular and even if they are the minority party next year, the GOP will continue to push their unpopular ideas. Look how much they were able to accomplish the past two years without even controlling the Senate or White House!

And language, far from being neutral, activates complex brain circuitry that is rooted in conservative or liberal moral systems. Conservative language, even when argued against, activates and strengthens conservative brain circuitry. This is extremely important for so-called "independents," who actually have both conservative and liberal moral systems in their brains and can shift back and forth. The more they hear conservative language over the next eight months, the more their conservative brain circuitry will be strengthened.

The Republican presidential campaign is not just about the presidential race. It is about using conservative language to strengthen conservative values in the brains of voters -- in campaigns at all levels from Congress to school boards. Part of the Republican strategy is to get liberals to argue against them, repeating conservative language.

Democrats need much better positive messaging, expressing and repeating liberal moral values -- not just policies-- uniformly across the party. That is not happening.

 

[sealybobo]

America was created to get away from people just like the OP.

/thread.

You sound like a Klan member.

The basic moral values in the progressive moral system are empathy and responsibility, both for oneself and others. This leads to a view of government as having certain moral obligations: providing protection and empowerment for everyone equally. This requires a vibrant commitment to the public -- public infrastructure (roads, buildings, sewers), public education, public health, and so on. No private business can prosper at all without such public provisions. The private depends on the public.

For conservatives, democracy is about liberty, individual responsibility and self-reliance -- the freedom to seek one's own self-interest with minimal or no commitment to the interests of others.

 

[Avatar4321]

You'd have to take responsibility for yourself?

 

[LogikAndReazon]

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need..........."

It takes a communist village

 

[sealybobo]

You'd have to take responsibility for yourself?

Of course. And my question back to you would be, are you against our society having safety nets? Like unemployment or foodstamps?

Chances are you are against them. And that is why I could never vote GOP or Libertarian.

 

[sealybobo]

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need..........."

It takes a communist village

See how far to the right you Repugs have gone? Even Reagan would have been considered a socialist by todays GOP standards.

Another reason why I could never vote GOP or Libertard.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need..........."

It takes a communist village

See how far to the right you Repugs have gone? Even Reagan would have been considered a socialist by todays GOP standards.

Another reason why I could never vote GOP or Libertard.

Mocking Marxism can be sooooooooooooooo right wing "extremist"................lol

now, now adolescents

 

[LibertyForAll]

America was created to get away from people just like the OP.

/thread.

You sound like a Klan member.

The basic moral values in the progressive moral system are empathy and responsibility, both for oneself and others. This leads to a view of government as having certain moral obligations: providing protection and empowerment for everyone equally. This requires a vibrant commitment to the public -- public infrastructure (roads, buildings, sewers), public education, public health, and so on. No private business can prosper at all without such public provisions. The private depends on the public.

For conservatives, democracy is about liberty, individual responsibility and self-reliance -- the freedom to seek one's own self-interest with minimal or no commitment to the interests of others.

What you fail to see is that the interests of others is a vital interest to ME because I have to ensure their rights are protected so that mine are. I have to protect the freedom of EVERYONE so that mine is protected. Self interest is a survival imperitive and should not be marginalized by calling it selfish. I value my life and my freedom so I want to foster an environment that is conducive to those things. Your freedoms are my freedoms because we are equal, if I sit by and allow the government to take something from you then I am allowing them to take it from me as well.

 

[whitehall]

Selfish is good boo boo. Thank God we still have enough freedom left after three years of socialism to be a little selfish.

 

[sealybobo]

Selfish is good boo boo. Thank God we still have enough freedom left after three years of socialism to be a little selfish.

Selfish is good???

Stop with the freedom and socialism bullshit! I'm so sick of you parrots saying that when you don't even know what the fuck you are talking about. Another reason I could never vote GOP. The dumb ass talking points. So easily debunked with one or two questions. And all you have is the talking point. Freedom. What a joke.

Bush has been wire tapping your phones since 2001. Actually they were doing it even before 9-11. So their excuse of "fighting terrorism" is a lie.

And then they locked up US Citizens indefinately without habeus corpus or due process, blablabla. Not about to try to explain it to a right wing talking point.

What a hoot.

 

[sealybobo]

Selfish is good boo boo. Thank God we still have enough freedom left after three years of socialism to be a little selfish.

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Another great reason why I could never be a Republican.

 

[LockeJaw]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

Funny... I don't see how wanting free shit from the government is less selfish than libertarianism or conservatism. It looks more selfish to me, but I digress.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Selfish is good boo boo. Thank God we still have enough freedom left after three years of socialism to be a little selfish.

Selfish is good???

Stop with the freedom and socialism bullshit! I'm so sick of you parrots saying that when you don't even know what the fuck you are talking about. Another reason I could never vote GOP. The dumb ass talking points. So easily debunked with one or two questions. And all you have is the talking point. Freedom. What a joke.

Bush has been wire tapping your phones since 2001. Actually they were doing it even before 9-11. So their excuse of "fighting terrorism" is a lie.

And then they locked up US Citizens indefinately without habeus corpus or due process, blablabla. Not about to try to explain it to a right wing talking point.

What a hoot.

Yeah, good thing Obama changed those policies. Now he just assassinates American citizens.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You could never be GOP or Libertarian because you have an IQ of less than 40.



I'm just sayin...

 

[LockeJaw]

This is why I don't buy into Ron Paul. He and his croneys talk a good game about the bankers and the federal reserve, but they don't, for example, admit that Wallstreet Oil speculators are gouging us at the pumps. Ron Paul doesn't seem to have an answer to this other than let the markets decide.

You really are very uninformed about Ron Paul, and libertarian views in general. Corporate welfare is one of the prime targets.

Exactly. It's like I said before, the people who run around calling others ignorant tend to be the worst offenders.

Indeed. These douches just lump all of those they oppose into the same group. I am against corporate welfare as well.

 

[LockeJaw]

You could never be GOP or Libertarian because you have an IQ of less than 40.



I'm just sayin...

College education doesnt mean Intelligent. Most of the time it means trained monkey.