Why does the right defend the wealthy class

[Eric Cartman]

They are either rich, belong to special interest group that has been courted by the right (e.g. gun rights, religious right, bigots), or they have been brainwashed by Foxnews and/or talk radio promoting a dishonest simpleminded narrative of rugged individualism, hard work leads to success blah, blah.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

They are either rich, belong to special interest group that has been courted by the right (e.g. gun rights, religious right, bigots), or they have been brainwashed by Foxnews and/or talk radio promoting a dishonest simpleminded narrative of rugged individualism, hard work leads to success blah, blah.

And you've got something to prove this ?

 

[Eric Cartman]

They are either rich, belong to special interest group that has been courted by the right (e.g. gun rights, religious right, bigots), or they have been brainwashed by Foxnews and/or talk radio promoting a dishonest simpleminded narrative of rugged individualism, hard work leads to success blah, blah.

And you've got something to prove this ?

Yep... their called eyes.

 

[westwall]

Thom Hartmann: How America Killed Its Middle Class

Not a big fan of Alternet.....but this one makes a statement I think begs a question.

Piketty is right, especially about the importance of high marginal tax rates and inheritance taxes being necessary for the creation of a middle class that includes working-class people. Progressive taxation, when done correctly, pushes wages down to working people and reduces the incentives for the very rich to pillage their companies or rip off their workers. After all, why take another billion when 91 percent of it just going to be paid in taxes?

This is the main reason why, when GM was our largest employer and our working class were also in the middle class, CEOs only took home 30 times what working people did. The top tax rate for all the time America's middle class was created was between 74 and 91 percent. Until, of course, Reagan dropped it to 28 percent and working people moved from the middle class to becoming the working poor.

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So, as we continue to let the rich just go nuts...what is it that isn't there to prevent them.

Why does the far right vote to protect the interest of the rich ?

The answer lies, in part, in the fact that the far left is no better. First, they suck off the rich like others.

Next, they won't make a rational case. They need conservatives to join them. And yet they, like some of the assholes on this board, do nothing but antagonize them.

And the rich just eat it up......

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This thread originally got moved to Europe because I led in with an article about the European middle class.

But the comparison is bright as the day is long.

I bash the left.

I bash the right.

Regardless, this is a huge issue in my mind.

Now, if the left starts squawking about how the rich screw them over...I'd ask how they get away with it. They only get away with it because the government protects them.

The right yells...hands off. But this article flies in the face of that.

Why does the left MAKE them richer? The only demographic that has noticeably done better under the current admin are the 1 percenters. The bottom 45% have been screwed. There are fewer people in the work force than hjas been seen since the 1970's thanks to the job destruction wrought by the current admin. The black population is really getting screwed with their employment rates at all time lows. There are more people receiving food stamps than ever before.

Basically Obama and company have created about 7 million new slaves. Great job.

 

[David_42]

Thom Hartmann: How America Killed Its Middle Class

Not a big fan of Alternet.....but this one makes a statement I think begs a question.

Piketty is right, especially about the importance of high marginal tax rates and inheritance taxes being necessary for the creation of a middle class that includes working-class people. Progressive taxation, when done correctly, pushes wages down to working people and reduces the incentives for the very rich to pillage their companies or rip off their workers. After all, why take another billion when 91 percent of it just going to be paid in taxes?

This is the main reason why, when GM was our largest employer and our working class were also in the middle class, CEOs only took home 30 times what working people did. The top tax rate for all the time America's middle class was created was between 74 and 91 percent. Until, of course, Reagan dropped it to 28 percent and working people moved from the middle class to becoming the working poor.

#############################

So, as we continue to let the rich just go nuts...what is it that isn't there to prevent them.

Why does the far right vote to protect the interest of the rich ?

The answer lies, in part, in the fact that the far left is no better. First, they suck off the rich like others.

Next, they won't make a rational case. They need conservatives to join them. And yet they, like some of the assholes on this board, do nothing but antagonize them.

And the rich just eat it up......

######################################

This thread originally got moved to Europe because I led in with an article about the European middle class.

But the comparison is bright as the day is long.

I bash the left.

I bash the right.

Regardless, this is a huge issue in my mind.

Now, if the left starts squawking about how the rich screw them over...I'd ask how they get away with it. They only get away with it because the government protects them.

The right yells...hands off. But this article flies in the face of that.

Why does the left MAKE them richer? The only demographic that has noticeably done better under the current admin are the 1 percenters. The bottom 45% have been screwed. There are fewer people in the work force than hjas been seen since the 1970's thanks to the job destruction wrought by the current admin. The black population is really getting screwed with their employment rates at all time lows. There are more people receiving food stamps than ever before.

Basically Obama and company have created about 7 million new slaves. Great job.

Very interesting analysis in regards to Obama and slavery, I would love to hear more of this interesting topic.

 

[Eric Cartman]

Thom Hartmann: How America Killed Its Middle Class

Not a big fan of Alternet.....but this one makes a statement I think begs a question.

Piketty is right, especially about the importance of high marginal tax rates and inheritance taxes being necessary for the creation of a middle class that includes working-class people. Progressive taxation, when done correctly, pushes wages down to working people and reduces the incentives for the very rich to pillage their companies or rip off their workers. After all, why take another billion when 91 percent of it just going to be paid in taxes?

This is the main reason why, when GM was our largest employer and our working class were also in the middle class, CEOs only took home 30 times what working people did. The top tax rate for all the time America's middle class was created was between 74 and 91 percent. Until, of course, Reagan dropped it to 28 percent and working people moved from the middle class to becoming the working poor.

#############################

So, as we continue to let the rich just go nuts...what is it that isn't there to prevent them.

Why does the far right vote to protect the interest of the rich ?

The answer lies, in part, in the fact that the far left is no better. First, they suck off the rich like others.

Next, they won't make a rational case. They need conservatives to join them. And yet they, like some of the assholes on this board, do nothing but antagonize them.

And the rich just eat it up......

######################################

This thread originally got moved to Europe because I led in with an article about the European middle class.

But the comparison is bright as the day is long.

I bash the left.

I bash the right.

Regardless, this is a huge issue in my mind.

Now, if the left starts squawking about how the rich screw them over...I'd ask how they get away with it. They only get away with it because the government protects them.

The right yells...hands off. But this article flies in the face of that.

Why does the left MAKE them richer? The only demographic that has noticeably done better under the current admin are the 1 percenters. The bottom 45% have been screwed. There are fewer people in the work force than hjas been seen since the 1970's thanks to the job destruction wrought by the current admin. The black population is really getting screwed with their employment rates at all time lows. There are more people receiving food stamps than ever before.

Basically Obama and company have created about 7 million new slaves. Great job.

Really? How many of Obama's jobs and stimulus bills has congress passed in the last 6 years?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

This thread isn't going to become a light beer commercial.

The question in the OP is what is to be addressed.

 

[Avorysuds]

What a dumb conversation.

Why does the Dems buy Unions with tax payer money?

Why do the Dems buy the poor with welfare?

If you need a link for something so well known you have no place on these boards.

 

[David_42]

What a dumb conversation.

Why does the Dems buy Unions with tax payer money?

Why do the Dems buy the poor with welfare?

If you need a link for something so well known you have no place on these boards.

Sorry, ridiculous claims require extraordinary evidence.

 

[whitehall]

Everyone strives to become wealthy in the greatest Country in the world. Why does the left, especially the wealthy elitist left, want to demonize people who work their asses off for maybe 200k gross income? All republicans want to do is trim the size of government and allow people to become wealthy without idiots like Obama, who never had a real job, picking their pockets for programs that are designed to keep Blacks in poverty and dependent on government.

 

[2aguy]

Thom Hartmann: How America Killed Its Middle Class

Not a big fan of Alternet.....but this one makes a statement I think begs a question.

Piketty is right, especially about the importance of high marginal tax rates and inheritance taxes being necessary for the creation of a middle class that includes working-class people. Progressive taxation, when done correctly, pushes wages down to working people and reduces the incentives for the very rich to pillage their companies or rip off their workers. After all, why take another billion when 91 percent of it just going to be paid in taxes?

This is the main reason why, when GM was our largest employer and our working class were also in the middle class, CEOs only took home 30 times what working people did. The top tax rate for all the time America's middle class was created was between 74 and 91 percent. Until, of course, Reagan dropped it to 28 percent and working people moved from the middle class to becoming the working poor.

#############################

So, as we continue to let the rich just go nuts...what is it that isn't there to prevent them.

Why does the far right vote to protect the interest of the rich ?

The answer lies, in part, in the fact that the far left is no better. First, they suck off the rich like others.

Next, they won't make a rational case. They need conservatives to join them. And yet they, like some of the assholes on this board, do nothing but antagonize them.

And the rich just eat it up......

######################################

This thread originally got moved to Europe because I led in with an article about the European middle class.

But the comparison is bright as the day is long.

I bash the left.

I bash the right.

Regardless, this is a huge issue in my mind.

Now, if the left starts squawking about how the rich screw them over...I'd ask how they get away with it. They only get away with it because the government protects them.

The right yells...hands off. But this article flies in the face of that.

We aren't defending one class, we dont' have "classes" in this country we have individuals....we believe in equality before the law, and we don't want individuals targeted for more wealth confiscation simply because they are successful. The left targets anyone they can single out...and the successful are easy targets because the left appeals to the most base of emotions....jealousy, hate, envy, greed.....and then they use those emotions to take money from the people they hate....anyone who makes 1 dollar more than they do.

The American conservatives, libertarians, Tea Party members believe in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence. We believe that all men and women are created equal and have a right to equal justice before the law. That means we don't target people simply because they are easy targets.

High tax rates and inheretence taxes....are simply a means for politicians to grow their own wealth and power by taking money from the people who earned it and taking it away from the people who were meant to have it. When you have low tax rates..more people can become wealthy.....when you have high tax rates, then that limits the ability of the poor to get out of poverty. When you take the money from someone who is rich just because they died.....where is the morality in that. It then goes to greedy, corrupt politicians who simply use it to empower themselves.

I want that money to go to whoever the person who earned wants it to go to...why is that wrong...and don't give me any crap about we don't want dynasties in this country.....that is just a justification for stealing someone elses property.

 

[2aguy]

Liberals/Socialists/Progressives/Communists hate both the middle class and the working class because...

they HATE the "wealthy class".

Go back to school you stupid fuck.

If you look at my posting history...that isn't me.

I am not a progressive.

But the article raises an issue I've had for a long time. The wealthy class link up with the governing class and together they screw us.

There is tons of money in D.C. It's a huge rapefest.

there are very wealthy liberals such as George Soros, Warren Buffett. A significant portion of the wealthy are very left of center. Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates are two more. They and others benefit from laws that allow business's to pay immigrant workers half of what American citizens would make. This is true in agriculture, tech jobs and other areas. Much of the multinational business class are not right of center.

I agree.

They are on top of money.

They use the system to their advantage.

I am asking why we allow this to happen.

Basic economics teaches that things work best when there are low or no barriers to entry.

Big business is good at using government to create huge barriers to entry.

then you get rid of big goverment...since big government and big business are best friends.....and increasing taxes only helps big business because it interferes with the people trying to compete against the big companies....the big company can absorb the hit....by using their influence to get breaks, the little guy can't..that is why buffet, gates and the others want high taxes...it keeps those guys starting out in their garage from becoming a threat...since just as they are about to become a threat...they get hit with massive taxes they have to deal with.

A low, flat or sales tax allows more people to move up and down the economic ladder....

 

[2aguy]

Liberals/Socialists/Progressives/Communists hate both the middle class and the working class because...

they HATE the "wealthy class".

Go back to school you stupid fuck.

If you look at my posting history...that isn't me.

I am not a progressive.

But the article raises an issue I've had for a long time. The wealthy class link up with the governing class and together they screw us.

There is tons of money in D.C. It's a huge rapefest.

And you don't solve it by giving the government more money in taxes...since the very people you are saying rape the system are the ones getting all that extra money...right? So why would you want those people you just said are raping the system to get even more money to continue raping the system. We need to cut tax revenue to those guys, not increase it.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

All men are created equal, and that means they should have equal protection, equal taxes and equal opportunity to either excel or fail.
you can't claim equality if you start to punish someone simply because they took the initiative to succeed in life.
Besides, today its those that make a million, when that fails to supply enough revenue it will be those that make over 500k, when that fails it might be 250, then 100 then those 30 or 40 people that are still middle class and not in poverty.

 

[Toro]

Thom Hartmann: How America Killed Its Middle Class

Not a big fan of Alternet.....but this one makes a statement I think begs a question.

Piketty is right, especially about the importance of high marginal tax rates and inheritance taxes being necessary for the creation of a middle class that includes working-class people. Progressive taxation, when done correctly, pushes wages down to working people and reduces the incentives for the very rich to pillage their companies or rip off their workers. After all, why take another billion when 91 percent of it just going to be paid in taxes?

This is the main reason why, when GM was our largest employer and our working class were also in the middle class, CEOs only took home 30 times what working people did. The top tax rate for all the time America's middle class was created was between 74 and 91 percent. Until, of course, Reagan dropped it to 28 percent and working people moved from the middle class to becoming the working poor.

False premise.

Wrong conclusion.

 

[francoHFW]

What a dumb conversation.

Why does the Dems buy Unions with tax payer money?

Why do the Dems buy the poor with welfare?

The leaders of the democrats are no different than the leaders of the Republicans.

Look how wealthy the Clintons are.

Remember Michelle's job at 300 K which was not replaced. Hubby was pretty instrumental at getting the place that hired her a nice fat grant.

Pat Roberts (Kansas) has been in congress for almost 50 years.

He does not even live there.

And the Clintons and all the other rich Dems want to RAISE their OWN TAXES, Pub dupe. Their wealth is IRRELEVANT. duh

Lots of reps live in DC duh. That and Michelle is pure malevolent Pub gossip, for dupes only. Like YOU. POLICY, stupid.

 

[2aguy]

What a dumb conversation.

Why does the Dems buy Unions with tax payer money?

Why do the Dems buy the poor with welfare?

The leaders of the democrats are no different than the leaders of the Republicans.

Look how wealthy the Clintons are.

Remember Michelle's job at 300 K which was not replaced. Hubby was pretty instrumental at getting the place that hired her a nice fat grant.

Pat Roberts (Kansas) has been in congress for almost 50 years.

He does not even live there.

And the Clintons and all the other rich Dems want to RAISE their OWN TAXES, Pub dupe. Their wealth is IRRELEVANT. duh

Lots of reps live in DC duh. That and Michelle is pure malevolent Pub gossip, for dupes only. Like YOU. POLICY, stupid.

dipshit...they don't want to raise their own taxes...they hide their money in their foundations...where they get massive tax breaks for the money they invest...and the government can't take it when they die....you are the dupe....

They want to raise everyone elses taxes...and on top of that....many of those democrats who want to raise other peoples taxes don't pay their own...like Warren buffet and al "tawana brawley" sharpton....

 

[francoHFW]

BS. Have you ever read a newspaper? LOL RW functional idiot. Tax/wealth inequality is so bad only total dupes don't get it.

 

[my2¢]

My reason in defending the wealthy class is the belief that private citizens having wealth can provide more good for others than that available through bureaucratic government programs.

 

[francoHFW]

My reason in defending the wealthy class is the belief that private citizens having wealth can provide more good for others than that available through bureaucratic government programs.

Of course, but our middle class has been crushed by Reaganist tax rates and policy (- see Trump and all Dems). Defended to the death by greedy idiot megarich Pubs and their silly dupes. Infrastructure jobs and training for 3-4 million tech jobs going begging would need some gov't activity.