Why does the right defend the wealthy class

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Thom Hartmann: How America Killed Its Middle Class

Not a big fan of Alternet.....but this one makes a statement I think begs a question.

Piketty is right, especially about the importance of high marginal tax rates and inheritance taxes being necessary for the creation of a middle class that includes working-class people. Progressive taxation, when done correctly, pushes wages down to working people and reduces the incentives for the very rich to pillage their companies or rip off their workers. After all, why take another billion when 91 percent of it just going to be paid in taxes?

This is the main reason why, when GM was our largest employer and our working class were also in the middle class, CEOs only took home 30 times what working people did. The top tax rate for all the time America's middle class was created was between 74 and 91 percent. Until, of course, Reagan dropped it to 28 percent and working people moved from the middle class to becoming the working poor.

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So, as we continue to let the rich just go nuts...what is it that isn't there to prevent them.

Why does the far right vote to protect the interest of the rich ?

The answer lies, in part, in the fact that the far left is no better. First, they suck off the rich like others.

Next, they won't make a rational case. They need conservatives to join them. And yet they, like some of the assholes on this board, do nothing but antagonize them.

And the rich just eat it up......

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This thread originally got moved to Europe because I led in with an article about the European middle class.

But the comparison is bright as the day is long.

I bash the left.

I bash the right.

Regardless, this is a huge issue in my mind.

Now, if the left starts squawking about how the rich screw them over...I'd ask how they get away with it. They only get away with it because the government protects them.

The right yells...hands off. But this article flies in the face of that.
 
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Liberals/Socialists/Progressives/Communists hate both the middle class and the working class because...

they HATE the "wealthy class".

Go back to school you stupid fuck. :slap:

If you look at my posting history...that isn't me.

I am not a progressive.

But the article raises an issue I've had for a long time. The wealthy class link up with the governing class and together they screw us.

There is tons of money in D.C. It's a huge rapefest.
 
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On second thought, don't go back to school. Just get a fucking job.

I do have a job.

It pays well and I have my own insurance.

I have many friends who try to start small businesses and the government has made it very tough for them.

That is government along with the wealthy class.

I don't believe the wealthy class does this maliciously. I think they simply see it as business.
 
Liberals/Socialists/Progressives/Communists hate both the middle class and the working class because...

they HATE the "wealthy class".

Go back to school you stupid fuck. :slap:

If you look at my posting history...that isn't me.

I am not a progressive.

But the article raises an issue I've had for a long time. The wealthy class link up with the governing class and together they screw us.

There is tons of money in D.C. It's a huge rapefest.

there are very wealthy liberals such as George Soros, Warren Buffett. A significant portion of the wealthy are very left of center. Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates are two more. They and others benefit from laws that allow business's to pay immigrant workers half of what American citizens would make. This is true in agriculture, tech jobs and other areas. Much of the multinational business class are not right of center.
 
Liberals/Socialists/Progressives/Communists hate both the middle class and the working class because...

they HATE the "wealthy class".

Go back to school you stupid fuck. :slap:

If you look at my posting history...that isn't me.

I am not a progressive.

But the article raises an issue I've had for a long time. The wealthy class link up with the governing class and together they screw us.

There is tons of money in D.C. It's a huge rapefest.
My attitude in life has been that no amount of beat-down is going to keep me down.

It's how I've survived for 60 years.

You covet the riches of others, I build strength in my own riches. Which, BTW, do not include money.
 
Liberals/Socialists/Progressives/Communists hate both the middle class and the working class because...

they HATE the "wealthy class".

Go back to school you stupid fuck. :slap:

If you look at my posting history...that isn't me.

I am not a progressive.

But the article raises an issue I've had for a long time. The wealthy class link up with the governing class and together they screw us.

There is tons of money in D.C. It's a huge rapefest.

there are very wealthy liberals such as George Soros, Warren Buffett. A significant portion of the wealthy are very left of center. Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates are two more. They and others benefit from laws that allow business's to pay immigrant workers half of what American citizens would make. This is true in agriculture, tech jobs and other areas. Much of the multinational business class are not right of center.

I agree.

They are on top of money.

They use the system to their advantage.

I am asking why we allow this to happen.

Basic economics teaches that things work best when there are low or no barriers to entry.

Big business is good at using government to create huge barriers to entry.
 
Liberals/Socialists/Progressives/Communists hate both the middle class and the working class because...

they HATE the "wealthy class".

Go back to school you stupid fuck. :slap:

If you look at my posting history...that isn't me.

I am not a progressive.

But the article raises an issue I've had for a long time. The wealthy class link up with the governing class and together they screw us.

There is tons of money in D.C. It's a huge rapefest.

there are very wealthy liberals such as George Soros, Warren Buffett. A significant portion of the wealthy are very left of center. Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates are two more. They and others benefit from laws that allow business's to pay immigrant workers half of what American citizens would make. This is true in agriculture, tech jobs and other areas. Much of the multinational business class are not right of center.
This is informative. But supporting reference would be appreciated.
 
Liberals/Socialists/Progressives/Communists hate both the middle class and the working class because...

they HATE the "wealthy class".

Go back to school you stupid fuck. :slap:

If you look at my posting history...that isn't me.

I am not a progressive.

But the article raises an issue I've had for a long time. The wealthy class link up with the governing class and together they screw us.

There is tons of money in D.C. It's a huge rapefest.
My attitude in life has been that no amount of beat-down is going to keep me down.

It's how I've survived for 60 years.

You covet the riches of others, I build strength in my own riches. Which, BTW, do not include money.

I am not talking about beat-down. I am talking about a legitimate conversation around taxes and spending controls.

I think the left wing morons like David42, FrancoWhackjob, Rightwinger whoever are not liberals..they are left wing nazi's who also seek to use government to reach their goals (and they hide behind the so called altruism of their goals).
 
Liberals/Socialists/Progressives/Communists hate both the middle class and the working class because...

they HATE the "wealthy class".

Go back to school you stupid fuck. :slap:

If you look at my posting history...that isn't me.

I am not a progressive.

But the article raises an issue I've had for a long time. The wealthy class link up with the governing class and together they screw us.

There is tons of money in D.C. It's a huge rapefest.
My attitude in life has been that no amount of beat-down is going to keep me down.

It's how I've survived for 60 years.

You covet the riches of others, I build strength in my own riches. Which, BTW, do not include money.

I am not talking about beat-down. I am talking about a legitimate conversation around taxes and spending controls.

I think the left wing morons like David42, FrancoWhackjob, Rightwinger whoever are not liberals..they are left wing nazi's who also seek to use government to reach their goals (and they hide behind the so called altruism of their goals).
Left wing nazi's? Shit, he's on to us! :coffee:
rightwinger
francoHFW
 
What a dumb conversation.

Why does the Dems buy Unions with tax payer money?

Why do the Dems buy the poor with welfare?

The leaders of the democrats are no different than the leaders of the Republicans.

Look how wealthy the Clintons are.

Remember Michelle's job at 300 K which was not replaced. Hubby was pretty instrumental at getting the place that hired her a nice fat grant.

Pat Roberts (Kansas) has been in congress for almost 50 years.

He does not even live there.
 
Liberals/Socialists/Progressives/Communists hate both the middle class and the working class because...

they HATE the "wealthy class".

Go back to school you stupid fuck. :slap:

If you look at my posting history...that isn't me.

I am not a progressive.

But the article raises an issue I've had for a long time. The wealthy class link up with the governing class and together they screw us.

There is tons of money in D.C. It's a huge rapefest.
My attitude in life has been that no amount of beat-down is going to keep me down.

It's how I've survived for 60 years.

You covet the riches of others, I build strength in my own riches. Which, BTW, do not include money.

I am not talking about beat-down. I am talking about a legitimate conversation around taxes and spending controls.

I think the left wing morons like David42, FrancoWhackjob, Rightwinger whoever are not liberals..they are left wing nazi's who also seek to use government to reach their goals (and they hide behind the so called altruism of their goals).
Left wing nazi's? Shit, he's on to us! :coffee:
rightwinger
francoHFW

Add Matthew to the list of dickweeds.
 
Liberals/Socialists/Progressives/Communists hate both the middle class and the working class because...

they HATE the "wealthy class".

Go back to school you stupid fuck. :slap:

If you look at my posting history...that isn't me.

I am not a progressive.

But the article raises an issue I've had for a long time. The wealthy class link up with the governing class and together they screw us.

There is tons of money in D.C. It's a huge rapefest.

there are very wealthy liberals such as George Soros, Warren Buffett. A significant portion of the wealthy are very left of center. Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates are two more. They and others benefit from laws that allow business's to pay immigrant workers half of what American citizens would make. This is true in agriculture, tech jobs and other areas. Much of the multinational business class are not right of center.

I agree.

They are on top of money.

They use the system to their advantage.

I am asking why we allow this to happen.

Basic economics teaches that things work best when there are low or no barriers to entry.

Big business is good at using government to create huge barriers to entry.

There are several reasons this happens. K street lobbyists with their PAC money and something John D, Rockefeller the First said 'Competition is a sin'. Our immigration and tax laws presently on the books ( or lack thereof) are a major factor as are certain government regulations that make the cost of doing business very high as to discourage competition. Not referring to those regulations pertaining to health so much as others.
 
Liberals/Socialists/Progressives/Communists hate both the middle class and the working class because...

they HATE the "wealthy class".

Go back to school you stupid fuck. :slap:

If you look at my posting history...that isn't me.

I am not a progressive.

But the article raises an issue I've had for a long time. The wealthy class link up with the governing class and together they screw us.

There is tons of money in D.C. It's a huge rapefest.

there are very wealthy liberals such as George Soros, Warren Buffett. A significant portion of the wealthy are very left of center. Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates are two more. They and others benefit from laws that allow business's to pay immigrant workers half of what American citizens would make. This is true in agriculture, tech jobs and other areas. Much of the multinational business class are not right of center.

I agree.

They are on top of money.

They use the system to their advantage.

I am asking why we allow this to happen.

Basic economics teaches that things work best when there are low or no barriers to entry.

Big business is good at using government to create huge barriers to entry.

There are several reasons this happens. K street lobbyists with their PAC money and something John D, Rockefeller the First said 'Competition is a sin'. Our immigration and tax laws presently on the books ( or lack thereof) are a major factor as are certain government regulations that make the cost of doing business very high as to discourage competition. Not referring to those regulations pertaining to health so much as others.

Again...agreed.

It's a subsystem where they laugh their asses off at us.

Look at that prattling moron from Matel who almost killed the company and got 50 million when they fired her.
 
The Middle-Class Squeeze

Here are a few good paragraphs:

When things go backward in nations accustomed to middle-class stability, people start to ask questions. What is the use of capitalism if its rewards go to the few and its risks are dumped on the many? The rights of property do not seem so enticing if the value of what you own collapses or if that property is trapped by debt. What is so great about globalization if it means that the products and services you offer are undercut by foreign competition and that millions of new people can come to your country, take your jobs and enjoy your welfare benefits?

Great international banks and other corporations—and their top executives—can devise a life that escapes normal tax jurisdictions. Their successes are globalized and accrue chiefly to them; their failures crawl back home to die, at the expense of the rest of us.

So instead of feeling that it is a privilege to be an ordinary citizen of a free country, many of us start to feel a bit like suckers. Hope—the inseparable companion of progress—fades and is replaced by disappointment, even bitterness. It has always been understood that opportunity carries some price of insecurity, but what happens if insecurity rises and opportunity contracts?

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Here is big business screwing the little guy...again. They use the government like they'd use a lawyer.

And the final paragraph has some pretty nasty implications.
 
The Middle-Class Squeeze

Here are a few good paragraphs:

When things go backward in nations accustomed to middle-class stability, people start to ask questions. What is the use of capitalism if its rewards go to the few and its risks are dumped on the many? The rights of property do not seem so enticing if the value of what you own collapses or if that property is trapped by debt. What is so great about globalization if it means that the products and services you offer are undercut by foreign competition and that millions of new people can come to your country, take your jobs and enjoy your welfare benefits?

Great international banks and other corporations—and their top executives—can devise a life that escapes normal tax jurisdictions. Their successes are globalized and accrue chiefly to them; their failures crawl back home to die, at the expense of the rest of us.

So instead of feeling that it is a privilege to be an ordinary citizen of a free country, many of us start to feel a bit like suckers. Hope—the inseparable companion of progress—fades and is replaced by disappointment, even bitterness. It has always been understood that opportunity carries some price of insecurity, but what happens if insecurity rises and opportunity contracts?

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Here is big business screwing the little guy...again. They use the government like they'd use a lawyer.

And the final paragraph has some pretty nasty implications.

many of these so called free trade agreements are not free trade at all, but what I call cartel capitalism.
 
The Middle-Class Squeeze

Here are a few good paragraphs:

When things go backward in nations accustomed to middle-class stability, people start to ask questions. What is the use of capitalism if its rewards go to the few and its risks are dumped on the many? The rights of property do not seem so enticing if the value of what you own collapses or if that property is trapped by debt. What is so great about globalization if it means that the products and services you offer are undercut by foreign competition and that millions of new people can come to your country, take your jobs and enjoy your welfare benefits?

Great international banks and other corporations—and their top executives—can devise a life that escapes normal tax jurisdictions. Their successes are globalized and accrue chiefly to them; their failures crawl back home to die, at the expense of the rest of us.

So instead of feeling that it is a privilege to be an ordinary citizen of a free country, many of us start to feel a bit like suckers. Hope—the inseparable companion of progress—fades and is replaced by disappointment, even bitterness. It has always been understood that opportunity carries some price of insecurity, but what happens if insecurity rises and opportunity contracts?

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Here is big business screwing the little guy...again. They use the government like they'd use a lawyer.

And the final paragraph has some pretty nasty implications.

many of these so called free trade agreements are not free trade at all, but what I call cartel capitalism.

Right...but they get sold that way.

We have cattle ranchers in this area that can't compete because of the regulations placed on them by the state and fed. But we can bring beef up from Mexico that is not subject to the same bullcrap....

It's a load all the way around.
 

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