Why do liberals say secession is TREASON?

[there4eyeM]

Can someone inform 'speeders' about the difference between being a colony and joining a Union described at inception as Perpetual?

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Did the signers of the declaration of independence commit treason against England and King George? I'm sure the english considered it treason, but the founders considered it founding a new nation. What you call it depends on where you sit and whether you win or lose.

I'm sure the english called it treason but they didn't think it. Simply leaving a country is not treason.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Can someone inform 'speeders' about the difference between being a colony and joining a Union described at inception as Perpetual?

Where does the constitution say the union is perpetual?. The Articles of Confederation said that but the Articles were rejected and are just an historical footnote. THINK

 

[there4eyeM]

Can someone inform 'speeders' about the difference between being a colony and joining a Union described at inception as Perpetual?

Where does the constitution say the union is perpetual?. The Articles of Confederation said that but the Articles were rejected and are just an historical footnote. THINK

Link?

 

[Clementine]

What's funny is that the Democrats, who actually were traitors and racists according to their own current definition now find any dissent or confrontation against their own current racist beliefs and practices to be treasonous and/or racist.

Disagreeing with all the liberal bullshit would be genuine treason if we lived in a dictatorship. However, the current government is treasonous in the way they ignore the constitution and rule of law. They are going against everything this country stands for.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Did the signers of the declaration of independence commit treason against England and King George? I'm sure the english considered it treason, but the founders considered it founding a new nation. What you call it depends on where you sit and whether you win or lose.

I'm sure the english called it treason but they didn't think it. Simply leaving a country is not treason.

According to US law.
UK law circa 1775 was likely different.

 

[Redfish]

Did the signers of the declaration of independence commit treason against England and King George? I'm sure the english considered it treason, but the founders considered it founding a new nation. What you call it depends on where you sit and whether you win or lose.

I'm sure the english called it treason but they didn't think it. Simply leaving a country is not treason.

According to US law.
UK law circa 1775 was likely different.

The real question here is: So What? Unless the country being left is willing to use military force, what the law says is meaningless.

So lets say that Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, and a few others decide to secede and form a new country. Those states have a lot of military bases and equipment. Would the DC government declare war on them?

 

[there4eyeM]

Can someone inform 'speeders' about the difference between being a colony and joining a Union described at inception as Perpetual?

Where does the constitution say the union is perpetual?. The Articles of Confederation said that but the Articles were rejected and are just an historical footnote. THINK

Link?

Hmmm....
...still no link.
That is because there is none.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Disagreeing with all the liberal bullshit would be genuine treason if we lived in a dictatorship. However, the current government is treasonous in the way they ignore the constitution and rule of law. They are going against everything this country stands for.

For the first time ever we have a president who truly hates america and wants to destroy it. Little Barry would love to feed every white american to the ovens.

 

[mikegriffith1]

It's not just liberals who oppose secession as treason. Some misguided conservatives also view secession as treason. They agree with the British view of secession.

If you oppose secession, you should renounce your American citizenship and apply for British citizenship, since America was founded on secession: The colonies seceded from England. The colonies tried to leave peacefully, but the British would not allow peaceful separation, and that's why the War of Independence had to be fought.

Secession is nothing but the right of peaceful separation taught by the founding fathers. The Patriots were furious that the British would not allow the colonies to leave in peace, and they resented being called "rebels" and "traitors." They argued that the colonies had a natural right to peacefully separate from England.

 

[there4eyeM]

It's not just liberals who oppose secession as treason. Some misguided conservatives also view secession as treason. They agree with the British view of secession.

If you oppose secession, you should renounce your American citizenship and apply for British citizenship, since America was founded on secession: The colonies seceded from England. The colonies tried to leave peacefully, but the British would not allow peaceful separation, and that's why the War of Independence had to be fought.

Secession is nothing but the right of peaceful separation taught by the founding fathers. The Patriots were furious that the British would not allow the colonies to leave in peace, and they resented being called "rebels" and "traitors." They argued that the colonies had a natural right to peacefully separate from England.

Such a comparison cannot be taken seriously. The thirteen colonies and England were not a union declared to be perpetual.

 

[RKMBrown]

It's not just liberals who oppose secession as treason. Some misguided conservatives also view secession as treason. They agree with the British view of secession.

If you oppose secession, you should renounce your American citizenship and apply for British citizenship, since America was founded on secession: The colonies seceded from England. The colonies tried to leave peacefully, but the British would not allow peaceful separation, and that's why the War of Independence had to be fought.

Secession is nothing but the right of peaceful separation taught by the founding fathers. The Patriots were furious that the British would not allow the colonies to leave in peace, and they resented being called "rebels" and "traitors." They argued that the colonies had a natural right to peacefully separate from England.

Such a comparison cannot be taken seriously. The thirteen colonies and England were not a union declared to be perpetual.

rofl what a dumb ass

 

[bripat9643]

It's not just liberals who oppose secession as treason. Some misguided conservatives also view secession as treason. They agree with the British view of secession.

If you oppose secession, you should renounce your American citizenship and apply for British citizenship, since America was founded on secession: The colonies seceded from England. The colonies tried to leave peacefully, but the British would not allow peaceful separation, and that's why the War of Independence had to be fought.

Secession is nothing but the right of peaceful separation taught by the founding fathers. The Patriots were furious that the British would not allow the colonies to leave in peace, and they resented being called "rebels" and "traitors." They argued that the colonies had a natural right to peacefully separate from England.

Such a comparison cannot be taken seriously. The thirteen colonies and England were not a union declared to be perpetual.

rofl what a dumb ass

Agreed

 

[ShootSpeeders]

If you oppose secession, you should renounce your American citizenship and apply for British citizenship, since America was founded on secession:
Secession is nothing but the right of peaceful separation taught by the founding fathers..

That's like saying 2 plus 2 is 4 and yet millions of americans can't see it.

 

[there4eyeM]

Equating the American struggle for independence from a foreign empire to the seditious effort to destroy a voluntarily joined union requires a very special intellect.

 

[bripat9643]

Equating the American struggle for independence from a foreign empire to the seditious effort to destroy a voluntarily joined union requires a very special intellect.

ROFL! It requires the intellect of a 5-year-old to see that the situations are exactly analogous.

 

[bripat9643]

It's not just liberals who oppose secession as treason. Some misguided conservatives also view secession as treason. They agree with the British view of secession.

If you oppose secession, you should renounce your American citizenship and apply for British citizenship, since America was founded on secession: The colonies seceded from England. The colonies tried to leave peacefully, but the British would not allow peaceful separation, and that's why the War of Independence had to be fought.

Secession is nothing but the right of peaceful separation taught by the founding fathers. The Patriots were furious that the British would not allow the colonies to leave in peace, and they resented being called "rebels" and "traitors." They argued that the colonies had a natural right to peacefully separate from England.

Such a comparison cannot be taken seriously. The thirteen colonies and England were not a union declared to be perpetual.

Neither was the United States. Where does the Constitution use the phrase "perpetual union?"

 

[there4eyeM]

All political differences and all wars are the same, it is posited above. Refusal to support opinion is continued above. Those posters are speaking only to themselves. This post is directed at objective readers.
Can one seriously think that an empire imposed on subjects is the same as a Republic to which people voluntarily attached themselves is are the same?
Can one seriously think that fighting to resist tyranny is the same as fighting to break a solemn contract?
I leave it to you, those with intelligence and the ability to reason, to decide.

 

[Skylar]

Equating the American struggle for independence from a foreign empire to the seditious effort to destroy a voluntarily joined union requires a very special intellect.

Well, the founders recognized the right to revolution. Where the people essentially upend the entire system and start anew. But this 'right to revolution' was distinct and separate from any claimed 'right to secede' or 'right to nullify', which founders like Madison rejected. He didn't believe that such a right existed under the constitution for a state to exercise unilaterally. With secession being something done on the scale of amendments. And nullification done via amendments.

The Revolutionary War was extra-legal per the system of laws that the founders lived under. Had they lost they would almost certainly have been executed as insurrectionists. The founders followed their 'right to revolution', the right to reject the current system of laws and overturn the government.

The Secession argument is that it was *within* the system of laws to secede. That it was constitutionally permissible. And this the founders generally didn't accept. With the most constitutionally relevant founders rejecting it explicitly. They recognized neither the right to nullify nor the right to secede under the constitution.

 

[Skylar]

Did the signers of the declaration of independence commit treason against England and King George? I'm sure the english considered it treason, but the founders considered it founding a new nation. What you call it depends on where you sit and whether you win or lose.

I'm sure the english called it treason but they didn't think it. Simply leaving a country is not treason.

Wait, so your argument is to tell us what the English *thought*, with your alternative narration being explicitly contradicted by what the English *said*?

That's silly. You're merely ignoring the English response to the Declaration of Independence and inserting whatever you make up in its place. Not only did the English consider the Declaration of Independence to be Treason, they sent armies to the colony to put the rebellion down.