Why Do/Don't We Need The Department of Education?

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    It was mentioned in passing in another topic that we do not need the Department of Education.

    I would like to hear detailed arguments exactly why we do or do not need it.

    Convince me.

    Thanks.
     
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    Most of our educational funding is generated at the local and state level. That is where most educational decisions are made. The Dept of Education provides about ten percent of our educational funding

    There is a wide disparity in funding and educational quality between states. Some states do not emphasize education and their children suffer for it. Theses states, which we like to call Red States are the ones who most want to get rid of the Dept of Education. This is primarily because the Dept of Education sets standards that they will actually have to expend money to meet.
     
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    We do not need a Department of Education.

    1) It is redundant...States and Counties all have there own D.o.Ed.

    2) It is unconstitutional...nowhere does the Constitution give the Feds the authority to nationalize Education.

    3) It doesn't improve results...schools, education and the education system are in far worse shape today then they were prior to the departments formation.
     
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    All those Red States education systems, like Los Angeles, Chicago, New York City, Boston, Detroit...:cuckoo:


    I'll put a rural school up against an inner city school any day...and win.
     
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    Additionally, if the standards are set low enough and people like Grandpa can graduate high school, the governor of that state can point ot a higher graduation rate than their predacessor.

    Without national standards, there is no way to measure the progress. "Waiting for Superman" does an excellent job or painting the connundrum of the DOE v. States v. School Boards v. Teachers Unions

    Waiting For Superman | Shock & Awe Public Service Announcement US (2010) - YouTube

    After watching the video trailer...you have to really wonder why Newt wants to spawn more janitors and fewer college educated students. Nothing wrong with janitorial work; but Americans should want more for their kids.
     
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    Would you agree that when the department was formed, the world was a different place? We had less competition from foreign countries, less technical education was needed for graduates, and less funding was needed to teach the less technical skills to students?
     
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    We went for over a hundred years without a DOE. Since then education has not improved any and the department has simply grown and grown, without producing anything substantial.
    Think of all the F-16s and Abrams tanks we can buy with what would have been spent on useless bureaucrats.
     
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    Those cities also have some exceptional school systems. They tend to suffer because of the diverse populations they have to educate.

    When you look at which states do the worst job of educating their students, it os primarily RED states. They also have the lowest per student expenditures. If it were not for the Dept of Education, these states could spend even less on their schools
     
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    Yeah...like we need more F16's and Abrams tanks???

    Perry.
     
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    And despite increases in all of those elements, education results across this country are poorer today than they were then. That was his point. The Dept of Ed hasn't improved anything.
     

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