Why Bush and Cheney are lying idiots.

[no1tovote4]

why are we still talking about this ass-hat?

Because you just know the dildo is still hovering around fuming at his unfair treatment.

 

[Shattered]

How can it be unfair? How many other sites actually follow the "Ask and ye shall receive" motto??

 

[Avatar4321]

First off no1, I’m not talking about Clinton……so just stop right there, IT’S IRRELEVENT!!!!

Second, follow the link stupid. I didn’t make this up. I’m commenting on an article from the Washington Post. Who by the way, has a lot more credibility then your post. Maybe you’re the one who needs a reality check.

Actually its totally relevant. What Clinton, Kerry and all the rest of the Dems say on WMDs in Iraq is completely relevant to the discussion. It shows your double standard. This is what i never understand about you libs. During the election you were trying to attack the Pres and Vice President for what they said about WMDs in Iraq and yet you wanted us to elect Kerry and Edwards who said even more extreme things about those WMDs. You attacked the President for calling the threat in Iraq as an imminent one when he didnt claim it was. He said if we waited for it to become an imminent one it would be too late. It was your own candidates that were yelling Iraq is an imminent threat.

But then you wont get over this double standard because you cant admit when you are wrong.

 

[freeandfun1]

But then you wont get over this double standard because you cant admit when you are wrong.

especially now that he has been banned for being an

 

[rtwngAvngr]

First a couple of quotes:

“Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." -- Vice President Cheney, Aug. 26, 2002.

And

“Saddam Hussein is a man who told the world he wouldn't have weapons of mass destruction, but he's got them." -- Bush, Nov. 3, 2002.

That said Bush still has no regrets about the war. What about regretting that you were wrong and that we went to war on false pretences. What about regretting the fact that because we did not find any WMD that our credibility to the rest of the world has been greatly affected. What about regretting the prisoners that were tortured.

I don’t know what I hate most about Bush. The fact that he is so stupid or that he can’t admit when something has gone wrong.

OK OK……I know what your going to say. Bush was just going on bad intelligence. So I’ll leave you with this except from the Washington Post regarding the above quotes:

“…….let's all remember that these comments came considerably before then-CIA Director George J. Tenet's assertion that the WMD case was a "slam dunk," in late December of 2002. By that point, Bush and Cheney had clearly already made up their minds”

Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6434-2005Jan13.html

All major intelligence organizations believed he had them. He kicked out inspectors. Lots of biochem WAS found. It is known that RUssians removed tons of arms prior to the war to hide their compliticty in saddams regime. He had ties to global terrorist organizations.

All this aside. WMD was never the only argument proferred, though the left wrongfully constricts the argument to this one issue. He should have been taken down just for his violation of U.N. resolutions. Don't you believe U.N. resolutions should be enforced? I know, Israel blah blah....

 

[rtwngAvngr]

This guy's banned? COme on. We're not DU for god's sake. We don't need to ban people. We can humiliate them with their own idiocy. This is wrong guys.

 

[OCA]

why are we still talking about this ass-hat?

LOL ass hat, hadn't heard you utter that lately

 

[no1tovote4]

Off Topic!

Whatever happened to Ole Spillmind? Did he succomb to his PEST?

 

[MrMarbles]

So this whole hornets nest was turned up for nothing, wow, i guess history does repeat itself. *cough* Vietnam *cough*

Anyway, I they're elections go smoothly, might aswell get some good out of this.

 

[no1tovote4]

So this whole hornets nest was turned up for nothing, wow, i guess history does repeat itself. *cough* Vietnam *cough*

Anyway, I they're elections go smoothly, might aswell get some good out of this.

We can only hope.

 

[Avatar4321]

So this whole hornets nest was turned up for nothing, wow, i guess history does repeat itself. *cough* Vietnam *cough*

Anyway, I they're elections go smoothly, might aswell get some good out of this.

What is it with you libs and Vietnam. It was over thirty freakin years ago. Get over it. Aghanistan was like Vietnam. Iraq was like Vietnam. blah blah blah blah blah. The Ironic thing is that most the people who whine about Vietnam were never there. The American people arent going to let the left betray the Iraqi people like they did the people of southeast asia. Vietnam will not be a repeat because we arent going to pull out of Iraq and let the Terrorists start killing everyone like the left did with the commies.

 

[Hobbit]

Hey, I thought the procedure was tar, feather, then exile. Seems like he was too aggressive to let us do the full procedure. Now what am I gonna do with all these feathers?

 

[FollowerOfKeeb]

Ironic thing is that most the people who whine about Vietnam were never there. QUOTE]

And do you think, that just POSSIBILY, this might be because MOST PEOPLE were never over there?

 

[dmp]

Ironic thing is that most the people who whine about Vietnam were never there.

And do you think, that just POSSIBILY, this might be because MOST PEOPLE were never over there?

You are implying there is a cause-and-effect relationship between 'not having been in Nam' and 'whining about Nam'. Re-word your question, maybe?

 

[FollowerOfKeeb]

You are implying there is a cause-and-effect relationship between 'not having been in Nam' and 'whining about Nam'. Re-word your question, maybe?

No, I'm not. Saying that most people who are against Vietnam were not in Vietnam is a rather obvious statement. Most people were not in Vietnam, the VAST majority of people have never even been to Vietnam much less fought a war there. Therefore, it SHOULD COME AS NO SURPRISE that most people who are against the Vietnam war were never in it.

 

[dmp]

No, I'm not. Saying that most people who are against Vietnam were not in Vietnam is a rather obvious statement. Most people were not in Vietnam, the VAST majority of people have never even been to Vietnam much less fought a war there. Therefore, it SHOULD COME AS NO SURPRISE that most people who are against the Vietnam war were never in it.

but you can't undestand the point, because you are being hardheaded about the nitty-gritty...

the point IS - There are VASTLY more soldiers who were IN Nam which support(ed) the efforts there, than otherewise.

 

[FollowerOfKeeb]

but you can't undestand the point, because you are being hardheaded about the nitty-gritty...

the point IS - There are VASTLY more soldiers who were IN Nam which support(ed) the efforts there, than otherewise.

Do you have factual evidence for that, or am I just supposed to take your word for it?

 

[freeandfun1]

Do you have factual evidence for that, or am I just supposed to take your word for it?

take his word for it. he is right.

even schartzkoff said on Hardball that our abandoning the S. Vietnamese was a travesty. Of course, Chris Mathews didn't know how to reply.

Almost every Vietnam vet I have EVER talked to supported the war. Just like now, the ones over in Iraq fighting by far support the war while the yellow-bellies sitting here at home protest it.

 

[Gem]

SocialistPunk Blathered:

So this whole hornets nest was turned up for nothing, wow, i guess history does repeat itself. *cough* Vietnam *cough*

SP, perhaps if you feel interested enough in a topic to join a message board to discuss it you should be motivated enough to actually KNOW WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT!!!

The very reports (Kay, Duefler, UN, etc.) that stated no WMD were found also stressed multiple times that Saddam was keeping his weapons programs up to date and ready to go for when the UN Inspectors left, had most definetly attempted to buy materials for WMD, and possibly moved WMD prior to the war, and was most CERTAINLY a dangerous threat to the United States and to the world and there was no doubt (especially after learning what they did) that Saddam needed to be removed from power. While faulty information has been a MAJOR problem and needs to be addressed DESPERATELY...to say that the war was for nothing or somehow unneccesary is a complete fallacy.

I would advise you to go find these reports and read a bit more than the front page headlines screaming "NO WMD FOUND!" Otherwise, you are simply an ignorant poster who demonstrates how little they are willing to look into the positions they care about when they can simply be spoon-fed by liberal talking points rather than what you could be with a bit of work: a relevant member of this posting board.

 

[FollowerOfKeeb]

take his word for it. he is right.

I'm older than 12 years old. I don't just believe things because people tell me its so.



"even schartzkoff said on Hardball that our abandoning the S. Vietnamese was a travesty. "

And? So? It wasn't a travesty to the thousands of Americans who didn't lost their sons or their fathers or husbands or arms or legs or mobility because we pulled out.

"Almost every Vietnam vet I have EVER talked to supported the war. Just like now, the ones over in Iraq fighting by far support the war while the yellow-bellies sitting here at home protest it."

The yellow-bellies sitting at home? What are you doing?