Liz Cheney withholds evidence exonerating Trump J6

[Delldude]

And then tell us how you could possibly know who is who in the Deep State?

Easy, all the clowns who jumped on the bandwagon about the infamous phone call.........Eric Ciaramella, Vindman, Brenner, Clapper, Schiff, Pelosi....I miss anyone?

As a leader concerned with the safety of the loyal hard-working citizens who guard and service the Capitol why would Don Trump intentionally anger and incite his supporters at the Eclipse ......and then direct them to go to the Capitol?

Approved 10,000 NG troops to be available upon request from USCP, MPD. Hardly sounds like someone who doesn't care about the loyal hard working citizens who guard and service the capitol does it?

A large group, on their own volition, took it upon themselves to congregate below the capitol steps early in the day, before Trump made His speech. While He was giving his speech, a large portion left the speech, which was still in progress, and walked down to the capitol steps and joined those already there..

Why would he intentionally put employees at risk of harm?

Approving NG troops for LE support is hardly putting anyone at the risk of harm. If anyone put anybody in harms way, it was the Fed and Local LE groups that failed miserably in that days events planning. That part wasn't focused upon much, in your much heralded J6 made for TV spectacular. Funny that wasn't addressed isn't it?

Most especially when he knew a significant number of those angered supporters were armed?

How would the President have advance knowledge people would be armed?

Why wouldn't he have given a heads-up to the Capitol Police that he was gonna direct an angered and armed mob at 'em?

Capitol police was well aware of the goings on at a multitude of events in the DC area, that day. They had intel on a myriad of possible scenarios.

Why did Trump and his enablers NOT apply for permits for a march, and instruct those who were in-the-know to not divulge of Trump's plan to order a march from the podium?

There was some knowledge and intel that a march was highly probable, from your J6 TV spectacular report.

Did you think the testimony of Trump's Attorney General, William Barr, when he told Don Trump his claims of a "stolen election was bullshit" was effective use of an eyewitness?

Is this, by chance, the same Bill Barr you are referencing?

On Sunday, Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) said Barr was again using his position to protect the president.

"This is one more example why, I think, Bill Barr has repeatedly demonstrated that he's more interested in being Donald Trump's personal lawyer than he is being the attorney for the United States of America," Warner told CBS's "Face The Nation."

Other Democrats who decried the announcement included Sen. Elizabeth Warren. In a tweet Saturday, Warren implored Congress to pass a bill stripping Barr's authorities in matters involving Trump and his family.

"This is a naked abuse of power. I've already called for AG William Barr to resign & for Congress to impeach him," said the Massachusetts Democrat.

And were you disappointed, or even just surprised when all those eyewitnesses refused to testify in Don Trump's defense?

Not at all. Trump wasn't on trial.

A majority of voters say they believe the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol is biased, according to a new Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll survey.

Fifty-eight percent of voters polled said they believed the committee set up by Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was biased, while 42 percent said they thought it was fair.

“Americans want an examination of the riots over the summer and the origins of the virus over investigating Jan. 6th,” said Mark Penn, the co-director of the Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll survey. “The voters reject the Pelosi move to toss Republicans off of the committee and see it now as just a partisan exercise.”

 

[Chillicothe]

Easy, all the clowns who jumped on the bandwagon about the infamous phone call.........Eric Ciaramella, Vindman, Brenner, Clapper, Schiff, Pelosi.

So, they are your version of "Deep State" because?
Well, because you want them to be "Deep State"?
Do this, poster DellDude, show us more than your feelings.
Give us some data that:
#1 There is such a thing as this "Deep State" of yours;
#2 That you have data that identifies the official list of "Deep Staters". Hell, DDude, at least offer us their Deep State badge numbers.

Batter up, amigo.
Show.
Or go.

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How would the President have advance knowledge people would be armed?

Don Trump was told that there were a significant number of armed individuals at his Eclipse Rally. He acknowledge that....and said they "they aren't here to hurt ME". Google it. There was vivid testimony at the J6 Hearing about the communication directly to Trump about it.*

* Do yourself and your avatar a favor, watch the hearings (available on YouTube).
Do yourself a favor and read the Final Report of the J6 Committee.
You don't wanna look like some undereducated bloke who doesn't understand the utilitarian value of homework and due diligence.
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Capitol police was well aware of the goings on at a multitude of events in the DC area, that day.

Albeit, with a the main event, the headlining primary event, the only event with an issued permit.....was 2 miles away at the Eclipse. There were zero permits for a demonstration on Capitol Grounds, nor a permit even requested for it. Same with the illegal march down Pennsylvania Ave. Why wasn't a permit requested? Why was the refusal to get a permit and notify law enforcement intentionally kept secret. Why??

So do this, poster DellDude, rather than blaming law enforcement.....blame the perps who actually broke the law. Society often works rather well that way.

Not at all. Trump wasn't on trial.

Strawman.
The position was advanced in this thread that there was no "rebuttal" to any of the Republican witnesses who gave such damaging testimony against Don Trump and his now indicted co-conspirators.

But the opportunity, the invitation, the subpoenas ...... that sought that so-call 'rebuttal' were extended by the Committee......and refused by the witnesses to the backroom machinations. Why?

Clearly, they felt that they couldn't defend Don Trump's actions.....or their own.
Clearly, they felt that if they testified they could admit their criminal liability.
Clearly, they believed that what happened was criminal and they were trying to duck & cover.

IMHO

 

[j-mac]

Dear poster j-mac, do this: Go to DC during a work day. Notice how busy and full the thorofares are, particularly Pennsylvania Avenue. If a party wishes to demonstrate and occupy one of those busy streets they need seek a permit first. So that the Parks Police, the Metropolitan Police, and in the case of J6, the Capitol Police....can be alerted a crowd will assemble and move, and thus traffic barricades and crowd control measures be applied so that there are not injuries or undue disruption of the commerce of the city.
I am mildly sure that you can see the utility of alerting the police that parts of their city will be given over to a use other than movement of vehicles.
Trust me, there really is utilitarian reasons for requiring permits.
Don Trump, his enablers and organizers, knew that. They should, they work there. Yet, they conspired to keep the long gestating plans to 'March-to-the-Capitol' unknown to the authorities.
Why?
Was it mendacious? That they wanted a skeleton force of uniforms on hand? I could be persuaded that is exactly what their intention was.

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Ah, prolific poster j-mac.....you seem over-caffeinated this morning.
Settle down, son. It's only the internet.

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Prove it.

Prove it.





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Earnest posters J-mac & Hollie, do this: Read the Final Report from the Congressional J6 Committee. I'd recommend you start with the Executive Summary before diving into the 'Evidence' sections. Good luck, and if you would.....please report back to the forum what you learned.

Find it here:

Select January 6th Committee Final Report and Supporting Materials Collection

www.govinfo.gov

So, according to you, leftists always get permits? Really?


Thats so stupid I don’t even know where you would get that from…

 

[Mac1958]

So, they are your version of "Deep State" because?
Well, because you want them to be "Deep State"?

The Deep State appears to be anyone in government who isn't in the cult, who doesn't obediently toe the ideological line.

In a world replete with complexity, the thought processes of MAGA are consistently shallow and easily identifiable.

 

[SeaMajor7]

The Deep State appears to be anyone in government who isn't in the cult, who doesn't obediently toe the ideological line.

In a world replete with complexity, the thought processes of MAGA are consistently shallow and easily identifiable.

So, for one example, the rogue FBI agents that set up an "insurance plan" to spy on candidate, and then president elect Trump using the FISA courts is not an example of the putrid deep state????

Your GASLIGHT THEATRE BULLSHIT is what's "shallow".

 

[Dagosa]

The Deep State appears to be anyone in government who isn't in the cult, who doesn't obediently toe the ideological line.

In a world replete with complexity, the thought processes of MAGA are consistently shallow and easily identifiable.

Of course, MAGA can’t identify who is part of the deep state as it’s a moving target. It’s Bill Barr when he said Trump’s election fraud was bullshit….but he wasn’t in the “ no collusion “ investigation. Then there’s Mike Pence who was Trump’s loyal servant till he wasn’t. You never know with Trump. It could be Melania when she wants nothing to do with Donald or when she wants to renegotiate the pre nup.

 

[Mac1958]

Of course, MAGA can’t identify who is part of the deep state as it’s a moving target. It’s Bill Barr when he said Trump’s election fraud was bullshit….but he wasn’t in the “ no collusion “ investigation. Then there’s Mike Pence who was Trump’s loyal servant till he wasn’t. You never know with Trump. It could be Melania when she wants nothing to do with Donald or when she wants to renegotiate the pre up.

The storylines move and change to keep the rubes engaged.

Like Pro Wrestling.

 

[Dagosa]

According to MAGA even the Donald could have a touch of deep state…..when he began to recommend covid shots.

The storylines move and change to keep the rubes engaged.

Like Pro Wrestling.

Good analogy

 

[Chillicothe]

In a world replete with complexity, the thought processes of MAGA are consistently shallow and easily identifiable.
The storylines move and change to keep the rubes engaged. Like Pro Wrestling.

MAGA is QAnon.
QAnon is MAGA.
They are this era's version, I guess, of the No Nothings.
But "Pro Wrestling" works just fine too.

 

[Dagosa]

MAGA is QAnon.
QAnon is MAGA.
They are this era's version, I guess, of the No Nothings.
But "Pro Wrestling" works just fine too.

What’s telling is that all the shit that QAnon peddles out there, sex rings and Hillary et al, Trump and his love Melania were actually in the middle of a relationship with sex ring operator Jeffery Epstein. Jeffery introduced Trump and Melania. The Donald and Jeffery were close friends for years….How and why Melania was “recommended“ by Jeffery to Trump, we‘ll never know til Melania writes her memoirs after her prenup runs out while the Donald models Orange jump suits as a bitch for his cell mates.

 

[Care4all]

Approved 10,000 NG troops to be available upon request from USCP, MPD

Then why weren't they on standby, waiting for a Capitol police request?

WHY DID IT TAKE 3 HOURS JUST TO GET A FEW National Guard?

Was Trump's orders not clear to those in his administration who were designated by Trump to be in charge?

 

[Delldude]

Then why weren't they on standby, waiting for a Capitol police request?

They were.....Pelosi and company didn't like the optics of 'Army personnel' on the corners.

Was Trump's orders not clear to those in his administration who were designated by Trump to be in charge?

Trump doesn't give orders as you're trying to imply. He only tells SECDEF to activate such and such a number. That's as far as it goes for Trump.

WHY DID IT TAKE 3 HOURS JUST TO GET A FEW National Guard?

USCP requested help several times, chain of command issues......if it helps, they changed COC requests in 2021 from DOD general or two before SECDEF, now SECDEF is at the top of the food chain.

You know, these topics have been posted and sourced in several threads now, several which you posted in.....and beyond that, I replied to you on the same topic. Get with it.

 

[Dagosa]

They were.....Pelosi and company didn't like the optics of 'Army personnel' on the corners.

Trump doesn't give orders as you're trying to imply. He only tells SECDEF to activate such and such a number. That's as far as it goes for Trump.

USCP requested help several times, chain of command issues......if it helps, they changed COC requests in 2021 from DOD general or two before SECDEF, now SECDEF is at the top of the food chain.

You know, these topics have been posted and sourced in several threads now, several which you posted in.....and beyond that, I replied to you on the same topic. Get with it.

Wait, the right claims first there was no problem, no appreciable violence, then claim it was Pelosi’s fault that people got hurt and / or killed. WTF ?

Trump doesn't give orders as you're trying to imply. He only tells SECDEF to activate such and such a number. That's as far as it goes for Trump.

That’s giving orders for you never in the military…..

 

[Care4all]

They were.....Pelosi and company didn't like the optics of 'Army personnel' on the corners.

Trump doesn't give orders as you're trying to imply. He only tells SECDEF to activate such and such a number. That's as far as it goes for Trump.

USCP requested help several times, chain of command issues......if it helps, they changed COC requests in 2021 from DOD general or two before SECDEF, now SECDEF is at the top of the food chain.

You know, these topics have been posted and sourced in several threads now, several which you posted in.....and beyond that, I replied to you on the same topic. Get with it.

Dell

Please just stop.


Trump failed completely in his duty as President on Jan 6th to protect this nation and Americans.

Trump was the Commander in Chief.....! His military and administration heads not doing their delegated jobs and getting the National Guard out there to help, was the time for Trump as Commander in Chief, to jump in and shake things up.....not for him to gleefully sit on his ass watching the rioting on TV.

 

[Whodatsaywhodat.]

Notice that Pelosi had a TV camera ready for Mr Horns to walk in.
They used Mr Horns to discredit the critics of the Democrat election rigging crimes.

Yep , a setup all the way.

 

[Dagosa]

Dell

Please just stop.


Trump failed completely in his duty as President on Jan 6th to protect this nation and Americans.

Trump was the Commander in Chief.....! His military and administration heads not doing their delegated jobs and getting the National Guard out there to help, was the time for Trump as Commander in Chief, to jump in and shake things up.....not for him to gleefully sit on his ass watching the rioting on TV.

There are only 4 of the 44 cabinet members who support him now as a presidential candidate. That includes his military advisors….some of whom he had to pardon for their own crimes. You can tell a lot about a person by whom they hang out with or promote and support…Putin, North Korean dictators, Jeffery Epstein etc. and these are often convicted and or notorious criminals. That‘s Trump, Thats’s his own supporters now.

 

[Dagosa]

Yep , a setup all the way.

Sure, I’m sure the dead and injured peoples families all were non appreciative for what Trump didn’t do for them in time.
Those in blue testified at Trumps impeachment hearing. It wasn’t a pretty picture for Trump. The MAJORITY of senators voted to remove him from office…

 

[SeaMajor7]

Dell

Please just stop.


Trump failed completely in his duty as President on Jan 6th to protect this nation and Americans.

Trump was the Commander in Chief.....! His military and administration heads not doing their delegated jobs and getting the National Guard out there to help, was the time for Trump as Commander in Chief, to jump in and shake things up.....not for him to gleefully sit on his ass watching the rioting on TV.

Trump requested the NG and that was denied.
There goes your "The Narrative".
This bs is getting old.

 

[Care4all]

They were.....Pelosi and company didn't like the optics of 'Army personnel' on the corners.

Trump doesn't give orders as you're trying to imply. He only tells SECDEF to activate such and such a number. That's as far as it goes for Trump.

USCP requested help several times, chain of command issues......if it helps, they changed COC requests in 2021 from DOD general or two before SECDEF, now SECDEF is at the top of the food chain.

You know, these topics have been posted and sourced in several threads now, several which you posted in.....and beyond that, I replied to you on the same topic. Get with it.

it was Trump's military officers/generals, who didn't like the optics on Jan 6th....and who did not respond with National guard help till hours later. Pelosi was never asked about 10,000 national guard....

 

[Care4all]

Trump requested the NG and that was denied.
There goes your "The Narrative".
This bs is getting old.

The Capitol security, HAD NO IDEA that Trump was going to send 20,000 - 40,000 rally goers marching down Pennsylvania avenue to the Capitol.

Trump told his rally coordinators to NOT APPLY to the Park Police for the march down Pennsylvania Ave. nor apply for a permit to protest at the Capitol! Trump told the coordinators he wanted his planned March from the Ellipse Rally to the Capitol to be kept secret, an element of surprise.

The Capitol Police asked for the National Guard be prepared with an NG quick response unit.

The National guard did not send this response unit when capitol police asked for the help on 1/6....