Why are Republicans afraid of Ron Paul?

[Oddball]

You are getting your teeth kicked in. There is no flawed premise here. The premise is that human nature makes Liberatarianism just as unworkable in real life as Communism.

This is FACT as easily demonstrated by the totality of world history. Not to mention common sense.

You aren't the first Libertarian I have eviscerated with simple logic, you know.

You can live in a fantasy land, but don't take it out on those of us who accept the real world and use our two party system as best we can.

Wow, you can declare victory for yourself.....Maybe you can now step up your game and go after Independent of Logic, and have yourselves a fabulous mutual masturbation festival.

Fucking putz.

I find it painful to correct right-leaning misguided Libertarians, but it is necessary to demonstrate that as well-intentioned people such as Ron Paul are, they are just fools and a sideshow to the serious task of government.

Yeah...We've done so well appeasing and mollifying socialists for the last 100 years.

Good thing that we have such serious minded used car salesman like you around to preserve the republic.

I feel so much better now.

 

[IndependntLogic]

Ron Paul offers a lot of individual freedom and this scares Republicans. After all, the outcome of liberty is unknown and most Republicans are scared of the unknown. They need control and they need to manipulate the outcome.

Hence, whey they want to impose their social conservative beliefs onto society. They are afraid of liberty and seek control. Hence, why they lied and manipulate wars instead of practicing diplomacy. Diplomacy brings into the unknown and this does not resonate well with Republicans. They need control, hence why they lied and manipulated into war.

American Conservatism is most closely related to classical liberalism in which there is an element of the unknown. However, an element of the unknown goes against the grain of the Republican and scares them. Instead, they seek to power to control and manipulate, instead of allowing man to be free.

Liberty scares Republicans, hence why they constantly throw their support behind statists freaks like Romney, Santorum, Bush, and even Reagan. Not to mention Nixon and Ike. Liberty scares Republicans and always has. They have always been mostly authoritative statists freaks, backed by soft appeals to liberty.


p.s. liberals are not better. They clamor for individual freedom, yet look for the state to grant them it, often times violating someone's elses freedom. So, please keep your strawman arguments to yourself.

Okay you know how Republicans and Dems label everyone supporting Ron Paul as a bunch of whackjobs? You're kinda doing the same thing here. You're projecting a motive that you can't prove.
Maybe there are a lot of people (like me) who find much to be admired in Ron Paul but also find so much they disagree with him on, they simply wouldn't vote for him.
have you never seen a candidate that had some valid points but for whom you wouldn't vote because of differences in basic political philosophy?
Is it impossible there could be people who view RP in the same way?

 

[LibertyForAll]

I'm not going to get sucked into accepting your flawed premises.

You are getting your teeth kicked in. There is no flawed premise here. The premise is that human nature makes Liberatarianism just as unworkable in real life as Communism.

This is FACT as easily demonstrated by the totality of world history. Not to mention common sense.

You aren't the first Libertarian I have eviscerated with simple logic, you know.

You can live in a fantasy land, but don't take it out on those of us who accept the real world and use our two party system as best we can.

Your premise is flawed because you fail to recognize the charity in human nature and only focus on those parts that suit your agenda. There would be no need to pass laws. People would give to charities still and the charities and churches could take care of those who were starving. They just would be able to use their welfare debit card in strip clubs for lap dances like they do now. They would be fed though it's human nature.

Another point to be made is that there doesn't need to be a law to PREVENT welfare in a libertarian society because there would be provisions in the constitution to PROTECT me from government overreach. There would also be provisions that would protect the minority from the majority and allow for representation for everyone. Oh wait, we already had that constitution, it was stolen from us and we want it back.

You think its human nature for the unscrupulous to take advantage and I agree but it is also human nature to fight back and that's exactly what we are doing. The biggest weapon in the statists arsenal was TV because of the control it gave over information. The internet is cure for that and we are just starting to see the effects it is having.

 

[SniperFire]

Wow, you can declare victory for yourself.....Maybe you can now step up your game and go after Independent of Logic, and have yourselves a fabulous mutual masturbation festival.

Fucking putz.

I find it painful to correct right-leaning misguided Libertarians, but it is necessary to demonstrate that as well-intentioned people such as Ron Paul are, they are just fools and a sideshow to the serious task of government.

Yeah...We've done so well appeasing and mollifying socialists for the last 100 years.

Good thing that we have such serious minded used car salesman like you around to preserve the republic.

I feel so much better now.

But you have no rebuttal, at all, for the holes in Libertarianism that render it as a joke of a governing philosophy. You can say it would work ' if people just wouldn't give in to' whatever, but the fact remains that human beings are not built that way. So instead of cheerleading some theoretical line of libertarian bullshit which cannot possibly work, I would rather see the Republicans whipped into shape to be more representative and better supported by somebody like yourself.

Like most conservatives, I buy into most of the economic and fiscal principles of a Ron Paul. Social and foreign policy, of course, is a joke.

 

[Oddball]

I find it painful to correct right-leaning misguided Libertarians, but it is necessary to demonstrate that as well-intentioned people such as Ron Paul are, they are just fools and a sideshow to the serious task of government.

Yeah...We've done so well appeasing and mollifying socialists for the last 100 years.

Good thing that we have such serious minded used car salesman like you around to preserve the republic.

I feel so much better now.

But you have no rebuttal, at all, for the holes in Libertarianism that render it as a joke of a governing philosophy. You can say it would work ' if people just wouldn't give in to' whatever, but the fact remains that human beings are not built that way. So instead of cheerleading some theoretical line of libertarian bullshit which cannot possibly work, I would rather see the Republicans whipped into shape to be more representative and better supported by somebody like yourself.

Like most conservatives, I buy into most of the economic and fiscal principles of a Ron Paul. Social and foreign policy, of course, is a joke.

Just go join the Democrat Party and get over with it.....You'd be more honest.

 

[SniperFire]

Your premise is flawed because you fail to recognize the charity in human nature and only focus on those parts that suit your agenda. There would be no need to pass laws.'

But what if they WANTED to pass such laws?

Would there be some sort of fascist prevention built into your Liberatarian constitution to stop this and keep the political philosophy pure?

Or are you just trying to pass hypothetical bullshit as real, workable government policy as well?

 

[SniperFire]

Yeah...We've done so well appeasing and mollifying socialists for the last 100 years.

Good thing that we have such serious minded used car salesman like you around to preserve the republic.

I feel so much better now.

But you have no rebuttal, at all, for the holes in Libertarianism that render it as a joke of a governing philosophy. You can say it would work ' if people just wouldn't give in to' whatever, but the fact remains that human beings are not built that way. So instead of cheerleading some theoretical line of libertarian bullshit which cannot possibly work, I would rather see the Republicans whipped into shape to be more representative and better supported by somebody like yourself.

Like most conservatives, I buy into most of the economic and fiscal principles of a Ron Paul. Social and foreign policy, of course, is a joke.

Just go join the Democrat Party and get over with it.....You'd be more honest.

I am probably more conservative than you in many ways. But let your butthurt flow!

LOL

 

[Oddball]

Whatever you say, Olympia.

 

[IndependntLogic]

But you have no rebuttal, at all, for the holes in Libertarianism that render it as a joke of a governing philosophy. You can say it would work ' if people just wouldn't give in to' whatever, but the fact remains that human beings are not built that way. So instead of cheerleading some theoretical line of libertarian bullshit which cannot possibly work, I would rather see the Republicans whipped into shape to be more representative and better supported by somebody like yourself.

Like most conservatives, I buy into most of the economic and fiscal principles of a Ron Paul. Social and foreign policy, of course, is a joke.

Just go join the Democrat Party and get over with it.....You'd be more honest.

I am probably more conservative than you in many ways. But let your butthurt flow!

LOL

The Whackjob Idiot definition of Independent: Someone who has all Conservative opinions.

The Whackjob Idiot definition of Liberal: Someone who disagrees with them on anything.

 

[Oddball]

Nobody asked you, dickweed.

 

[IndependntLogic]

Nobody asked you, dickweed.

LOL! Well I guess the shoe fits, eh Junior?

 

[SniperFire]

I am having a real hard time arguing with my favorite Kelly's Hero character.

 

[paulitician]

He's not a Big Government Globalist. It really is that simple. Neocon & Socialist/Progressive Globalists rule the roost in this country. And Dr. Paul just gets in their way. They fear and despise him for that. It is very sad but it is what it is.

 

[IndependntLogic]

I am having a real hard time arguing with my favorite Kelly's Hero character.

We play the music really loud and shoot paint at them. Doesn't do much harm but it scares the bejuzus outta dem!

 

[SniperFire]

He's not a Big Government Globalist. It really is that simple. Neocon & Socialist/Progressive Globalists rule the roost in this country. And Dr. Paul just gets in their way. They fear and despise him for that. It is very sad but it is what it is.

Well, he is now too old. Thankfully.

 

[LibertyForAll]

Your premise is flawed because you fail to recognize the charity in human nature and only focus on those parts that suit your agenda. There would be no need to pass laws.'

But what if they WANTED to pass such laws?

Would there be some sort of fascist prevention built into your Liberatarian constitution to stop this and keep the political philosophy pure?

Or are you just trying to pass hypothetical bullshit as real, workable government policy as well?

We don't need a libertarian constitution we just need to reverse the damage you and the other progressives have done to it to further your statist agenda. Let's start with the 10th and the 16th amendments. Since when is protecting freedom a fascist goal?

There is a process built into the system where a minority can have their voice heard and we are employing that now to great effect. This is what scares the establishment.

 

[SniperFire]

Your premise is flawed because you fail to recognize the charity in human nature and only focus on those parts that suit your agenda. There would be no need to pass laws.'

But what if they WANTED to pass such laws?

Would there be some sort of fascist prevention built into your Liberatarian constitution to stop this and keep the political philosophy pure?

Or are you just trying to pass hypothetical bullshit as real, workable government policy as well?

We don't need a libertarian constitution we just need to

You will find that empty rhetoric don't feed the dog with me.

Answer the fucking question. If in your perfect Libertarian society, a majority affinity group decided they wanted local laws to provide welfare for the needy, would you stop them?

Yes, you would have totalitarian safeguards to prevent the corruption of your Libertarian society, or NO, you would allow the locals to rule themselves.

Let me know if I need to dumb this down for you.

 

[Oddball]

I am having a real hard time arguing with my favorite Kelly's Hero character.

You're having a hard time arguing against the principles you proclaim to embrace.

What is it that makes you want to sell out?

 

[paulitician]

But what if they WANTED to pass such laws?

Would there be some sort of fascist prevention built into your Liberatarian constitution to stop this and keep the political philosophy pure?

Or are you just trying to pass hypothetical bullshit as real, workable government policy as well?

We don't need a libertarian constitution we just need to

You will find that empty rhetoric don't feed the dog with me.

Answer the fucking question. If in your perfect Libertarian society, a majority affinity group decided they wanted local laws to provide welfare for the needy, would you stop them?

Yes, you would have totalitarian safeguards to prevent the corruption of your Libertarian society, or NO, you would allow the locals to rule themselves.

Let me know if I need to dumb this down for you.

Forget what you've been taught all your life. There is no need to fear Freedom & Liberty. Embrace it instead. Give it a shot.

 

[Oddball]

I am having a real hard time arguing with my favorite Kelly's Hero character.

We play the music really loud and shoot paint at them. Doesn't do much harm but it scares the bejuzus outta dem!

We got our own ammunition, it's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes... pretty pictures. Scares the hell outta people!

We have a loudspeaker here, and when we go into battle we play music, very loud. It kind of... calms us down.

If you can't even bother yourself to Google the right quotation, go the fuck away dickweed.