Why are guns so important to Americans?

[DiveCon]

Think Patriot Act and before. I'm not able to post a link for you yet. I'm too new.

that didnt answer the question

what civil right have you lost?

 

[necritan]

There are three categorys of people IMO.

1. Sheepdogs

2. Sheep

3. Wolves

I know what I am.

I know that sheep are a danger to themselves half the time....and they make great food for the wolves. They blindly follow the other sheep if unattended.....even into the jaws of the wolves. When sheep lead the other sheep...they are all in danger...all.

The sheepdog armed with teeth like the wolf.....protects itself and its flock. Even if it knows it may die....it does what it was born and trained to do. It thinks like the wolf and it thinks like the sheep.....knows the weakness of the sheep....and the power of the wolf. Sometimes sheep are taken by the wolves and then the sheep wake up for a bit......only to go back a short while later thinking everything is fine.

The sheepdog is always aware....always watching....always waiting...always willing to protect.

Wolves have no regard for the sheep.....the sheep are a supply of food alone.....end of story.

 

[DiveCon]

There are three categorys of people IMO.

1. Sheepdogs

2. Sheep

3. Wolves

I know what I am.

I know that sheep are a danger to themselves half the time....and they make great food for the wolves. They blindly follow the other sheep if unattended.....even into the jaws of the wolves. When sheep lead the other sheep...they are all in danger...all.

The sheepdog armed with teeth like the wolf.....protects itself and its flock. Even if it knows it may die....it does what it was born and trained to do. It thinks like the wolf and it thinks like the sheep.....knows the weakness of the sheep....and the power of the wolf. Sometimes sheep are taken by the wolves and then the sheep wake up for a bit......only to go back a short while later thinking everything is fine.

The sheepdog is always aware....always watching....always waiting...always willing to protect.

Wolves have no regard for the sheep.....the sheep are a supply of food alone.....end of story.

most on the left wouldnt understand the analogy

 

[necritan]

most on the left wouldnt understand the analogy

True.....sheep don't understand much.

 

[wayne]

What a stunningly intelligent retort, sport.

Hey, people Editec is actually a nice guy; he just gets a little testy sometimes. And Editec, only criminal resort to violence without just cause. If the police show up at my house with a valid warrant I am going to summit, because that is my duty as a citizen. For the people to take up arms against the government things will have to get really bad and before it happen we would be well organized. I don’t think we are anywhere close to police state, that wasn’t even true during the Clinton era.

 

[necritan]

Hey, people Editec is actually a nice guy; he just gets a little testy sometimes. And Editec, only criminal resort to violence without just cause. If the police show up at my house with a valid warrant I am going to summit, because that is my duty as a citizen. For the people to take up arms against the government things will have to get really bad and before it happen we would be well organized. I don’t think we are anywhere close to police state, that wasn’t even true during the Clinton era.

Umm....nice guy??? He called all gun owners queers. Apparently there's alot of gay gun owners by that statement.....which is good by the way.....who wants to gay-bash someone with a 357 magnum??

 

[Diuretic]

Nice.....name calling.....how grown up of you. Queer???? Thats funny.....Such strong words from your keyboard.......your such a bad ass Sarah.

The police arent going to just start performing illegal search and seizure lest they be sued or shot.....yes. They are humans just like you and I.....well....maybe just me in this case.....and the prospect of death is not a good idea.

In case you didnt know.....police officers are in no way required to put themselves in harms way......military are.....if the latter happens.....the shit has hit the fan and its on.

Your name calling using homophobic terminology shows your lack of intelligence.....Ok Sarah???

You're wrong in that police officers aren't required to put themselves in harm's way. They take an oath to do just that.

 

[sky dancer]

You're wrong in that police officers aren't required to put themselves in harm's way. They take an oath to do just that.

I have the greatest respect for police officers.

I just don't understand why every yahoo in America thinks he needs a gun.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Personally, I want my weapons because I cannot count on the cops to prevent someone from doing me harm. The cops do not prevent crime, all they can do is react to crime.

If anyone breaks into my home or business and threatens the safety of my family and / or my employees, i will kill the motherf!@#er. Period.

But you anti second amendment libbies would rather I do what; run and leave my family and property unprotected?

 

[necritan]

You're wrong in that police officers aren't required to put themselves in harm's way. They take an oath to do just that.

.....they are not forced to "die" if needed. Most will though....I would hope.

On my honor,
I will never betray my badge1,
my integrity, my character,
or the public trust.
I will always have
the courage to hold myself
and others accountable for our actions.
I will always uphold the constitution2
my community3 and the agency I serve.

There are rules of engagement too that can play a part......not to mention the fact that they are minutes away.....when seconds count.

 

[necritan]

I have the greatest respect for police officers.

I just don't understand why every yahoo in America thinks he needs a gun.

You have respect for them because you think they will materialize out of thin air to aide you.

Is this fantasy land you live in a real place? Or is purely drug induced?

Not every yahoo needs a gun....just the ones living in reality-land. For instance ....you....a gun in your hand would probably be bad....very bad....you'd probably be shooting crazily at fantasy-land things like unicorns n' shit.

 

[editec]

Hey, people Editec is actually a nice guy; he just gets a little testy sometimes. And Editec, only criminal resort to violence without just cause. If the police show up at my house with a valid warrant I am going to summit, because that is my duty as a citizen. For the people to take up arms against the government things will have to get really bad and before it happen we would be well organized. I don’t think we are anywhere close to police state, that wasn’t even true during the Clinton era.

And that is my point, wayne.

The gun queers (as in the people queer for guns, of course, who they screw is of little interest to me) often like to boast that they and their guns stand between us and a repressive government.

Sheer poppycock, of course.

The David Kereshs of this world are few and far between.

These self proclaimed sheepdogs claim they'll protect us from the wolf that is the police state?

Pure blather.

Few of them would protect themselves from the police, if push came to shove.

Thier guns serve them as home security, and nothing else.

 

[necritan]

Right....because our government is infallible......and right.....every gunowner would run and hide from an oppressive government....and right....every gunowner is a nut job....and right we will all protect you.

Our government "is" fallible....we would fight like we've done before.....we are normal people.....and no.....I'm sure you would be the last to be saved.

 

[greenpartyaz]

First, How do you reward the violent people by shooting them?

Second, who the heck is arguing that people randomly start firing at each other?

I think you've just demonstrated why the left is losing the gun argument. You have no clue what the issue really is.

This may be a newsflash to you, but here in Arizona we have a real problem with road rage and people shooting people on the freeways because they get cut off in traffic. We have people that shoot first and never think about the consequences of their actions. It is the wild west out here. Then you have that asshole Wayne LaPierre, who advocates arming yourself to the teeth. He does nothing to admonish homeowners about keeping weapons locked up and away from small children. He only advocates the second amendment by "with his cold dead hands", holding pro gun rally's after horrible tragedies, involving small children being shot, because the "responsible" gun owner didn't lock up his weapon out of the reach of children. If he really cared about senseless gun deaths, he would do a hell of a lot more to admonish owners to keep them locked up and out of the reach of children. 5 year olds shouldn't be taught about the beauty of guns!

 

[greenpartyaz]

Did you eat a lot of paint chips when you were young????

Did you possibly stay submerged in a pool for more than a safe period of time????

How many of these highway "shoot outs" have you seen first hand......???

You do know that movies aren't real right????

By your words...... are you are saying that a criminal should be able to go into someones home and rape them to their hearts content.....uncontested. Then....when they are done.....politely.....the victim should escort them to the door and let them out......call the cops.....let the cops try to find them....let it go to trial if the criminal is caught....maybe the criminal goes to jail....they eventually get out and do it again???????

If someone starts shooting at you in traffic....what would you do???? Cry....talk them down.....deflect the bullets with your green ninja skills....throw tofu at them...WHAT???????

Why don't you take your Socialist thinking to a country that thinks similarly to you???

Stop pissing on the blood of the patriots that stood and fell before you to insure your rights of speech and self-preservation by spewing hoplophobic vomit all over the place.

Comparing legal gun owning individuals to Murderous Cult groups???.....you make me sick......


STUDY HISTORY AND STOP BEING IGNORANT AND LYING AND EMBELLISHING TO FURTHER YOUR AGENDA'S!!!!!!!

What part of: "You don't need an AK-47 or a grenade launcher to protect yourself. A handgun will work just fine." don't you understand?

 

[DiveCon]

This may be a newsflash to you, but here in Arizona we have a real problem with road rage and people shooting people on the freeways because they get cut off in traffic. We have people that shoot first and never think about the consequences of their actions. It is the wild west out here. Then you have that asshole Wayne LaPierre, who advocates arming yourself to the teeth. He does nothing to admonish homeowners about keeping weapons locked up and away from small children. He only advocates the second amendment by "with his cold dead hands", holding pro gun rally's after horrible tragedies, involving small children being shot, because the "responsible" gun owner didn't lock up his weapon out of the reach of children. If he really cared about senseless gun deaths, he would do a hell of a lot more to admonish owners to keep them locked up and out of the reach of children. 5 year olds shouldn't be taught about the beauty of guns!

so, thats where all those crazy Los Angeles road ragers went

 

[wayne]

You're wrong in that police officers aren't required to put themselves in harm's way. They take an oath to do just that.

They take an oath to do their job, but they can quit at moment and walk off the job.

 

[LOki]

I am very anti gun.

You're an idiot.

I think they should all be collected and melted down to make something useful.

They're already useful...see what an idiot you are?

When i say this most people look at me like I am crazy.

You think that because you're an idiot. They are looking at you like you're an idiot, not like you're crazy.

You may too.

Not at all--you could be a perfectly sane idiot.

I just want to know why people feel the need to have them. Please explain this need if you would be so kind.

When your idiot bretheren, with idiot ideas about excercising their idiot will over me or my family by force, or the threat of force, will meet an idiot's demise at the end of one of my guns.

 

[steeliniraq]

You take everything so literal! If you did not see what I meant then you are blind as well as being a "COF"

I am sure our founding father's did not think "Six Shooter's" would be used in the West to rob "Stage Coaches", either! You get my point now?

So you're saying we can keep muskets?

 

[BaronVonBigmeat]

Hmm, I was interested so I checked, and it turns out the constitution doesn’t give individuals the right to carry guns. It’s a common misconception though.

Well technically most any of the founders would tell you that it's a god-given right. A natural right.

The constitution simply enumerates some of those rights. And one of them is the right to bear arms.