Why Abortion And Euthanasia Should Be Legal

[syrenn]

I needed a story that would make people think about what they would do in a similar or identical situation. This is that story. I want to know what people would do if they were in the same situation, and so far, no one has answered.

do i think that defective babies should be put down... you bet.
do i think adults should have the option of being put down upon request... you bet.

How about you?

 

[Noomi]

This story is a few months old, but its incredibly sad. A little boy born with a defective small intestine. He had surgery, but doctors discovered that his entire small bowel had died, and as a result, he couldn't eat or drink, and there was nothing that could be done for him.
He was given high doses of morphine as he starved to death - after 13 days of life:

“On the 20th of April 2013 my sister went into labour three weeks early and my baby nephew was born at 1:30am on my daughter’s birthday.

“One week earlier my sister began having a few contractions so she went to the hospital. When a scan was performed the doctors noticed that the baby’s small intestine appeared to be blocked, so my sister was transferred to John Hunter Hospital. The surgeon said baby Jailan had bowel atresia and that when he was 12 hours old he would be sent to theatre to cut out the blockage and reattach the intestines. The doctor was confident, and assured us that he had performed this surgery numerous times with high success rates.

“We were upset that bub had to have surgery, but reassured that it was a relatively easy and fairly common operation.

Jailan's story: a life too short | Parent Exchange

If the condition had been discovered during the pregnancy, surely it would be kinder to abort Jailan than to give birth to him and watch him starve and die?
And surely it would be kinder for parents to have the option to euthanase their sick children, so they do not have to suffer like this?

Jailan may not have felt pain, given the morphine he was on, but his parents, and relatives had to stand by and watch him grow smaller and weaker, until finally, he died of starvation and dehydration.

I do not understand how some people consider this is a better death than a termination in the womb.

you do realize that abortion and euthanasia are two totally different subjects?

Of course.

 

[syrenn]

This story is a few months old, but its incredibly sad. A little boy born with a defective small intestine. He had surgery, but doctors discovered that his entire small bowel had died, and as a result, he couldn't eat or drink, and there was nothing that could be done for him.
He was given high doses of morphine as he starved to death - after 13 days of life:



Jailan's story: a life too short | Parent Exchange

If the condition had been discovered during the pregnancy, surely it would be kinder to abort Jailan than to give birth to him and watch him starve and die?
And surely it would be kinder for parents to have the option to euthanase their sick children, so they do not have to suffer like this?

Jailan may not have felt pain, given the morphine he was on, but his parents, and relatives had to stand by and watch him grow smaller and weaker, until finally, he died of starvation and dehydration.

I do not understand how some people consider this is a better death than a termination in the womb.

you do realize that abortion and euthanasia are two totally different subjects?

Of course.

then why are you trying to combine the issues?

 

[Noomi]

I needed a story that would make people think about what they would do in a similar or identical situation. This is that story. I want to know what people would do if they were in the same situation, and so far, no one has answered.

do i think that defective babies should be put down... you bet.
do i think adults should have the option of being put down upon request... you bet.

How about you?

I agree with both. I would want to meet my baby, but once I had, I would want him/her to be given too much morphine so they pass away peacefully in my arms, rather than watch them die like Jailan did.

I know they loved him and adored him, but god, I couldn't have done what they did. They are incredibly brave people.

 

[BDBoop]

This story is a few months old, but its incredibly sad. A little boy born with a defective small intestine. He had surgery, but doctors discovered that his entire small bowel had died, and as a result, he couldn't eat or drink, and there was nothing that could be done for him.
He was given high doses of morphine as he starved to death - after 13 days of life:

“On the 20th of April 2013 my sister went into labour three weeks early and my baby nephew was born at 1:30am on my daughter’s birthday.

“One week earlier my sister began having a few contractions so she went to the hospital. When a scan was performed the doctors noticed that the baby’s small intestine appeared to be blocked, so my sister was transferred to John Hunter Hospital. The surgeon said baby Jailan had bowel atresia and that when he was 12 hours old he would be sent to theatre to cut out the blockage and reattach the intestines. The doctor was confident, and assured us that he had performed this surgery numerous times with high success rates.

“We were upset that bub had to have surgery, but reassured that it was a relatively easy and fairly common operation.

Jailan's story: a life too short | Parent Exchange

If the condition had been discovered during the pregnancy, surely it would be kinder to abort Jailan than to give birth to him and watch him starve and die?
And surely it would be kinder for parents to have the option to euthanase their sick children, so they do not have to suffer like this?

Jailan may not have felt pain, given the morphine he was on, but his parents, and relatives had to stand by and watch him grow smaller and weaker, until finally, he died of starvation and dehydration.

I do not understand how some people consider this is a better death than a termination in the womb.

Excellent thread, Noomi.

I quite agree, of course; at least in part that is because I lost my mother to Lewy Body Dementia and if my day comes as hers did, I am going to want to end my life legally.

If we do it for our pets, why not ourselves.

 

[Noomi]

you do realize that abortion and euthanasia are two totally different subjects?

Of course.

then why are you trying to combine the issues?

Because I can't have a separate thread with the identical story, so why not combine the two?

People are against abortion, I gave them a story to make them consider what they might do if they were in a situation like this, when a severe defect was discovered in utero.

People are against euthanasia, so I ask them what they would do if they had a sick child like this - would they want to end their life, or watch their child die a natural (yet horrible) death?

 

[BDBoop]

If the condition had been discovered during the pregnancy, surely it would be kinder to abort Jailan than to give birth to him and watch him starve and die?

I guess so but in this case the condition wasn't discovered during the pregnancy and according to your OP the child seemed to be wanted by the parents. I don't think you'll be able to turn this kid into a poster child for abortion.

Of course not, and its not my intention to say that this child should have been aborted. My point is that a choice should be given, to either abort or to euthanase, children who are severely ill and who will die.

I don't think anyone gets that, though.

I get it. But then it has been noted on previous occasions; I have an open mind.

 

[syrenn]

I needed a story that would make people think about what they would do in a similar or identical situation. This is that story. I want to know what people would do if they were in the same situation, and so far, no one has answered.

do i think that defective babies should be put down... you bet.
do i think adults should have the option of being put down upon request... you bet.

How about you?

I agree with both. I would want to meet my baby, but once I had, I would want him/her to be given too much morphine so they pass away peacefully in my arms, rather than watch them die like Jailan did.

I know they loved him and adored him, but god, I couldn't have done what they did. They are incredibly brave people.

so let me ask you this....

they give you the dose.... hand you the drugs. Would YOU be willing to deliver the dose that would kill it?

 

[Tank]

What would you be doing by letting it starve to death, though?

"IT", his name is Jailan

 

[BDBoop]

Know how I know you're a dick?

Why abortion and euthanasia should be legal? I've got a better reason.

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[BDBoop]

do i think that defective babies should be put down... you bet.
do i think adults should have the option of being put down upon request... you bet.

How about you?

I agree with both. I would want to meet my baby, but once I had, I would want him/her to be given too much morphine so they pass away peacefully in my arms, rather than watch them die like Jailan did.

I know they loved him and adored him, but god, I couldn't have done what they did. They are incredibly brave people.

so let me ask you this....

they give you the dose.... hand you the drugs. Would YOU be willing to deliver the dose that would kill it?

I would. Yes. As a parent? Watching a baby suffer, and knowing that suffering will be all he knows?

Yes.

 

[Noomi]

do i think that defective babies should be put down... you bet.
do i think adults should have the option of being put down upon request... you bet.

How about you?

I agree with both. I would want to meet my baby, but once I had, I would want him/her to be given too much morphine so they pass away peacefully in my arms, rather than watch them die like Jailan did.

I know they loved him and adored him, but god, I couldn't have done what they did. They are incredibly brave people.

so let me ask you this....

they give you the dose.... hand you the drugs. Would YOU be willing to deliver the dose that would kill it?

Yes, I would. It would be a hard decision, but when I consider the other option - letting him starve to death while I watch, the choice would be easy. It wouldn't be because I wanted him dead, it would be because I loved and adored him and couldn't bare to see him suffer.

 

[Noomi]

What would you be doing by letting it starve to death, though?

"IT", his name is Jailan

Oops, sorry. I meant to say 'him'.

 

[Michelle420]

This story is a few months old, but its incredibly sad. A little boy born with a defective small intestine. He had surgery, but doctors discovered that his entire small bowel had died, and as a result, he couldn't eat or drink, and there was nothing that could be done for him.
He was given high doses of morphine as he starved to death - after 13 days of life:

“On the 20th of April 2013 my sister went into labour three weeks early and my baby nephew was born at 1:30am on my daughter’s birthday.

“One week earlier my sister began having a few contractions so she went to the hospital. When a scan was performed the doctors noticed that the baby’s small intestine appeared to be blocked, so my sister was transferred to John Hunter Hospital. The surgeon said baby Jailan had bowel atresia and that when he was 12 hours old he would be sent to theatre to cut out the blockage and reattach the intestines. The doctor was confident, and assured us that he had performed this surgery numerous times with high success rates.

“We were upset that bub had to have surgery, but reassured that it was a relatively easy and fairly common operation.

Jailan's story: a life too short | Parent Exchange

If the condition had been discovered during the pregnancy, surely it would be kinder to abort Jailan than to give birth to him and watch him starve and die?
And surely it would be kinder for parents to have the option to euthanase their sick children, so they do not have to suffer like this?

Jailan may not have felt pain, given the morphine he was on, but his parents, and relatives had to stand by and watch him grow smaller and weaker, until finally, he died of starvation and dehydration.

I do not understand how some people consider this is a better death than a termination in the womb.

Belgium may vote to do that soon

Belgium to Vote Soon on Allowing Doctors to Euthanize Children

Belgiuim to Vote Soon on Allowing Doctors to Euthanize Children | LifeNews.com

 

[PixieStix]

What would you be doing by letting it starve to death, though?

"IT", his name is Jailan

Oops, sorry. I meant to say 'him'.

oospy

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Just out of curiosity, but how many people on this thread are Catholic and thus disagree and trash Noomi simply because Noomi was raised with a different set of values than you? I am a Catholic and disagree with late term abortions on a fundemental basis, but am I trashing Noomi? No. Euthanasia, however, I can complete agree with. And yes, I am well aware of how hypocritical that sounds.

I trashed her because the OP is incredibly stupid.

 

[Noomi]

Just out of curiosity, but how many people on this thread are Catholic and thus disagree and trash Noomi simply because Noomi was raised with a different set of values than you? I am a Catholic and disagree with late term abortions on a fundemental basis, but am I trashing Noomi? No. Euthanasia, however, I can complete agree with. And yes, I am well aware of how hypocritical that sounds.

I trashed her because the OP is incredibly stupid.

Sometimes I think your OP's and opinions are retarded but I haven't ever been nasty about it. I have been nothing but respectful...

 

[syrenn]

I agree with both. I would want to meet my baby, but once I had, I would want him/her to be given too much morphine so they pass away peacefully in my arms, rather than watch them die like Jailan did.

I know they loved him and adored him, but god, I couldn't have done what they did. They are incredibly brave people.

so let me ask you this....

they give you the dose.... hand you the drugs. Would YOU be willing to deliver the dose that would kill it?

Yes, I would. It would be a hard decision, but when I consider the other option - letting him starve to death while I watch, the choice would be easy. It wouldn't be because I wanted him dead, it would be because I loved and adored him and couldn't bare to see him suffer.

good for you. I actually did not think you would consider doing it yourself.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Just out of curiosity, but how many people on this thread are Catholic and thus disagree and trash Noomi simply because Noomi was raised with a different set of values than you? I am a Catholic and disagree with late term abortions on a fundemental basis, but am I trashing Noomi? No. Euthanasia, however, I can complete agree with. And yes, I am well aware of how hypocritical that sounds.

I trashed her because the OP is incredibly stupid.

Sometimes I think your OP's and opinions are retarded but I haven't ever been nasty about it. I have been nothing but respectful...

So?

 

[Tank]

What would you be doing by letting it starve to death, though?

"IT", his name is Jailan

Oops, sorry. I meant to say 'him'.

When you think of a baby as a "it" abortion becomes a much easier option