Who Should Be Able to Pray on the Temple Mount/Noble Sanctuary?

[louie888]

Its important, again, to think about where we SHOULD be heading in the future. What is the goal here?

Secondary question would be who should be in charge of ensuring safety and security on the holy site?

In an ideal world, the Temple Mount should be open to everyone.

As God himself said- "כִּי בֵיתִי, בֵּית-תְּפִלָּה יִקָּרֵא לְכָל-הָעַמִּים", "For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples."- Isaiah 56:07

Too bad we don't live in an ideal world.

This would happen if the zionists relinquish the land they have stolen and at least make a fair attempt at reparations.

 

[Lipush]

Louie, are you sad face because I didn't specify whether I meant authentic NK Jews or synthetic Jews?

4 simple questions:

Why do the Europeans continue to believe it is their holiest site?

Why do they even care?

Isn't it time for the Europeans, whose ancestors only converted to Judaism in the middle ages, to build their temple elsewhere?

The Muslim structures there have been there for centuries and certainly aren't going anywhere. True or false?

1. Because it it. The Temple Mount in Jerusalem is Judaism's holiest site. As in all Jews, from all over the world, believe it is the holiest place. Not just European Jews.

Fun fact: Most European Israeli Jews today are not overly religious.

2. Why do they even care?

For the simple reason and people care about their ethos and history and religion.

3. No. It's time for Muslims to realize this place should be open for all those who worship the place, regardless of their ethnic belonging. The world should not bend itself to the Muslim arrogance.

4. True. What does that have to do with the argument?

 

[Lipush]

Now you are just mad and whining because your old Hamas canard is debunked by our own rabbis.

It seems to me like you're against religious freedom.

 

[louie888]

1. Because it it.

Is that even English?

 

[Lipush]

Its important, again, to think about where we SHOULD be heading in the future. What is the goal here?

Secondary question would be who should be in charge of ensuring safety and security on the holy site?

In an ideal world, the Temple Mount should be open to everyone.

As God himself said- "כִּי בֵיתִי, בֵּית-תְּפִלָּה יִקָּרֵא לְכָל-הָעַמִּים", "For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples."- Isaiah 56:07

Too bad we don't live in an ideal world.

This would happen if the zionists relinquish the land they have stolen and at least make a fair attempt at reparations.

The land they have stolen? As far as I remember, up until less than a week ago, the rule over the Temple Mount was of the Muslim Waqf. Jews who tried to request any religious freedom were arrested like low criminals.

 

[Hollie]

1. Because it it.

Is that even English?

Did you plagiarize the comment and try to use it as your own?

 

[Lipush]

1. Because it it.

Is that even English?

It's a typo. It happens.

How old are you, really?

 

[louie888]

up until less than a week ago, the rule over the Temple Mount was of the Muslim Waqf. Jews who tried to request any religious freedom were arrested like low criminals.

Total crap, jews have been up there with their military and guns for decades.

 

[Lipush]

English is my third language. The moment you speak your third language in the way and level in which I speak English, THEN you'll be in position to critique.

 

[Lipush]

up until less than a week ago, the rule over the Temple Mount was of the Muslim Waqf. Jews who tried to request any religious freedom were arrested like low criminals.

Total crap, jews have been up there with their military and guns for decades.

Perhaps. But we did not in any way had a say in religious practice of the place. Jews had to succumb to the Waqf's will.

 

[louie888]

1. Because it it. The Temple Mount in Jerusalem is Judaism's holiest site. As in all Jews, from all over the world, believe it is the holiest place. Not just European Jews.

Fun fact: Most European Israeli Jews today are not overly religious.

You did not answer the question.

2. Why do they even care?

For the simple reason and people care about their ethos and history and religion.

Ethos and history and religion are worth stealing land and murdering G-d's children.

I see.

3. No. It's time for Muslims to realize this place should be open for all those who worship the place, regardless of their ethnic belonging. The world should not bend itself to the Muslim arrogance.

The arrogance is clearly shown by the Europeans who have been running that place at the end of as gun for decades.

4. True. What does that have to do with the argument?

Thank-you and everything.

 

[Lipush]

1. What was your question, anyway? Why European Jews see the Temple Mount as sacred? Because the Bible says so, I guess. Just like the Quran says Mecca is sacred. You never question "Why" to Muslims, now, do you?

2. All of us are God's children. And you don't "steal" land. Especially not Israelis. Jews sat in the land just like the Arabs. And the Jews and Arabs were in a war, and the Jews got the upper hand.

People fight in wars. People lose wars. Every nation on the globe was relocated in one point or other in history. Jews were expelled from the Mid-East and Spain. Jews moves on and not got stuck in their drams of Madrid and Barcelona. They did not wave their keys like some fantasy-believing mass. There is only one nation who still bothers doing it. We know just who that nation is.

3. Those Jews would have had no problem leaving the place open. The Temple Mount is not a place of bloodshed.

 

[Divine Wind]

"Agaun with this?"

Which is why people point and laugh at you.

Don't let your ignorance and laziness be and excuse for your buffoonery.

The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988

THAT is why people point and laugh at you.

Don't let your ignorance and laziness be and excuse for your buffoonery.

Our rabbis have broken this down for you in such a simple way that even you should be able to comprehend their message...

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"Our rabbis"? Are you Jewish?

A Jewish fringe group has no more validity regarding Israel than the Branch Davidians at Waco had about Christianity and/or the United States.

Your dodge on the Hamas Charter is noted. Here it is so others can know what you are hiding: The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988

Some key statements:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it".

"Under the wing of Islam, it is possible for the followers of the three religions - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - to coexist in peace and quiet with each other. Peace and quiet would not be possible except under the wing of Islam."

You obviously support having Islam dominate the world and subjugate all other religions under it. Anyone who believes this is a traitor to democracy and freedom. They are, therefore, an enemy of the Constitution of the United States of America.

 

[Divine Wind]

Why would you think that presenting fact has any relationship with wanting the "genocide of the Jews". It is your kind that want to eliminate the non-Jews under Jew control. That is genocide.

Because it's not a fact, it's a lie made to both generate hatred against Jews and to justify their eradication.

It's fact. You Jews want to eradicate the Palestinian Christians and Muslims from Palestine.

There are no Palestinians.

That said if the Israelis wanted to kill them all, they would all be dead.

A slight disagreement. There is certainly a group of people who identify themselves as "Palestinian", but if you meant there never was a nation named Palestine in the last several hundred years, you are 100% correct.

Agreed. If the lies people like montelatici are telling on this forum were true, the there'd be no Palestinians and both Gaza and the West Bank would be Israelis resorts and shopping centers.

What lies, asshole. Point out one lie. It is you that post Zionist propaganda and lies repeatedly hoping that Goebbel's assertion regarding big lies is true.

Calling me an asshole is one lie.

Claiming I post Zionist propaganda is another lie.

Claiming I've told a big, yet unnamed, lie is a third lie.

Previously you claimed "It is your kind that want to eliminate the non-Jews under Jew control." That is a big lie akin to the "Goebbels's assertion" you mentioned. You, sir, project onto others what you seek yourself: elimination of everyone who doesn't agree with you.

 

[louie888]

"Our rabbis"? Are you Jewish?

Yes.

A Jewish fringe group has no more validity regarding Israel than the Branch Davidians at Waco had about Christianity and/or the United States.

Whatever, they speak from the traditional Jewish standpoint that was held for 1000s of years until the zionist corrupted it all with the whole stealing the holy land by force thing.

THAT IS THE ANTITHESIS OF JUDAISM.

 

[Divine Wind]

Whatever, they speak from the traditional Jewish standpoint that was held for 1000s of years until the zionist corrupted it all with the whole stealing the holy land by force thing.

THAT IS THE ANTITHESIS OF JUDAISM.

A matter of opinion and debate much like how different denominations of Protestantism argue theirs is "the true religion".

Still, what you propose goes directly against the Constitution. Are you in the US or are you a foreigner?

 

[louie888]

A matter of opinion and debate

Only after zionism.

It was/is the traditional Jewish standpoint that was held for 1000s of years until the zionist corrupted it all with the whole stealing the holy land by force thing.

THAT IS THE ANTITHESIS OF JUDAISM. <--not debatable.

 

[Divine Wind]

A matter of opinion and debate

Only after zionism.

It was/is the traditional Jewish standpoint that was held for 1000s of years until the zionist corrupted it all with the whole stealing the holy land by force thing.

THAT IS THE ANTITHESIS OF JUDAISM. <--not debatable.

Prove it.

BTW, Homeland Security is interested in anyone who favors those who seek to destroy the United States or its allies through subjugation by or surrender to radical Islam.

 

[louie888]

Prove it.

Post every single comment from any rabbi or Jewish sage, prior to zionism, who even contemplated taking the holy land by force.

BTW, Homeland Security is interested in anyone who favors those who seek to destroy the United States or its allies through subjugation by or surrender to radical Islam.

I wish they would be that interested in the radical jews. Maybe then, we could take our country back.

 

[Shusha]

Israel did not "take" the land by force. The Jewish people came back to it with the recognition and support of the international community of the time, through treaties and international law acknowledging her pre-existing claim. The only time "force" came into it was when she was forced to defend herself and her people.