Who Should Be Able to Pray on the Temple Mount/Noble Sanctuary?

[louie888]

WTF is your problem with history. Jewish Temples were there hundreds of years before Mohammed was born.

That the evidence in real life contradicts religious hogwash.

 

[louie888]

Oh, you bore me. Fine. Here's your answers:

Because it is.

Because its our holiest site -- the place where the Shechinah rests.

No. The Temple has only one place.

True, (as long as no one gets it in their mind to properly return it to its rightful owners).

My 7 year old could do better.

 

[Shusha]

Its important, again, to think about where we SHOULD be heading in the future. What is the goal here?

Secondary question would be who should be in charge of ensuring safety and security on the holy site?

the Temple Mount is a jewish holy site. Jerusalem is not even mentioned in the koran.

so what do you think?

I think it is a stolen Jewish holy place. (But I still think we should share. And I think its G-d's intent that we should share.)

share what, though? a temple? the holy of holies? or a mosque?

We share the entire mount. We make it a place of peace and coexistence and holy prayer. (Yes, I'm naive and optimistic but you're asking what I want not what I think is possible).

The mosque and dome stay. We build the third temple at the site of the holy of Holies (which will conveniently NOT be where the mosque or dome stand).

 

[jillian]

Its important, again, to think about where we SHOULD be heading in the future. What is the goal here?

Secondary question would be who should be in charge of ensuring safety and security on the holy site?

the Temple Mount is a jewish holy site. Jerusalem is not even mentioned in the koran.

so what do you think?

I think it is a stolen Jewish holy place. (But I still think we should share. And I think its G-d's intent that we should share.)

share what, though? a temple? the holy of holies? or a mosque?

We share the entire mount. We make it a place of peace and coexistence and holy prayer. (Yes, I'm naive and optimistic but you're asking what I want not what I think is possible).

The mosque and dome stay. We build the third temple at the site of the holy of Holies (which will conveniently NOT be where the mosque or dome stand).

there is no basis for what you are suggesting... nor would it be appreciated or respected.

 

[Shusha]

Oh, you bore me. Fine. Here's your answers:

Because it is.

Because its our holiest site -- the place where the Shechinah rests.

No. The Temple has only one place.

True, (as long as no one gets it in their mind to properly return it to its rightful owners).

My 7 year old could do better.

You should let your seven year old take over. I'm sure they would do better.

 

[louie888]

Oh, you bore me. Fine. Here's your answers:

Because it is.

Because its our holiest site -- the place where the Shechinah rests.

No. The Temple has only one place.

True, (as long as no one gets it in their mind to properly return it to its rightful owners).

My 7 year old could do better.

You should let your seven year old take over. I'm sure they would do better.

The fact that you won't answer four simple and important questions proves that you are a not only a disingenuous liar, but are also morally corrupt.

 

[Shusha]

Its important, again, to think about where we SHOULD be heading in the future. What is the goal here?

Secondary question would be who should be in charge of ensuring safety and security on the holy site?

the Temple Mount is a jewish holy site. Jerusalem is not even mentioned in the koran.

so what do you think?

I think it is a stolen Jewish holy place. (But I still think we should share. And I think its G-d's intent that we should share.)

share what, though? a temple? the holy of holies? or a mosque?

We share the entire mount. We make it a place of peace and coexistence and holy prayer. (Yes, I'm naive and optimistic but you're asking what I want not what I think is possible).

The mosque and dome stay. We build the third temple at the site of the holy of Holies (which will conveniently NOT be where the mosque or dome stand).

there is no basis for what you are suggesting... nor would it be appreciated or respected.

By whom? And why not?

 

[Shusha]

Oh, you bore me. Fine. Here's your answers:

Because it is.

Because its our holiest site -- the place where the Shechinah rests.

No. The Temple has only one place.

True, (as long as no one gets it in their mind to properly return it to its rightful owners).

My 7 year old could do better.

You should let your seven year old take over. I'm sure they would do better.

The fact that you won't answer four simple and important questions proves that you are a not only a disingenuous liar, but are also morally corrupt.

Answered. Answered honestly.

If you don't like my answers -- your problem.

 

[louie888]

Oh, you bore me. Fine. Here's your answers:

Because it is.

Because its our holiest site -- the place where the Shechinah rests.

No. The Temple has only one place.

True, (as long as no one gets it in their mind to properly return it to its rightful owners).

My 7 year old could do better.

You should let your seven year old take over. I'm sure they would do better.

The fact that you won't answer four simple and important questions proves that you are a not only a disingenuous liar, but are also morally corrupt.

Answered. Answered honestly.

If you don't like my answers -- your problem.

Try again, one at a time for you.

1) Why do the Europeans continue to believe it is their holiest site?

Unless there is a reasonable answer to this simple question, everything else is moot.

 

[Coyote]

Its important, again, to think about where we SHOULD be heading in the future. What is the goal here?

Secondary question would be who should be in charge of ensuring safety and security on the holy site?

Everyone for whom it is a holy site should be allowed to pray unmolested and without violence.

I have to admit,. Israel has shown it is able and willing to keep it safe, and keep open access.

Food for thought: Palestinians Protest Metal Detectors At Holy Site

It all comes down to interpretations. Whose holy site is this? Historians say that when the Muslim shrine the Dome of the Rock was built at this site in the seventh century, it was a way for Muslims to acknowledge that their faith was rooted in the older Jewish tradition of the holiness of the spot. Today, though, this shared tradition has become a source of division and, for many, a zero-sum game.​

 

[Hossfly]

WTF is your problem with history. Jewish Temples were there hundreds of years before Mohammed was born.

That the evidence in real life contradicts religious hogwash.

Somebody has been lying to you.

 

[Coyote]

I have questions too.

Why do the Europeans continue to believe it is their holiest site?

Why do they even care?

Isn't it time for the Europeans, whose ancestors only converted to Judaism in the middle ages, to build their temple elsewhere?

The Muslim structures there have been there for centuries and certainly aren't going anywhere.

If most palestinian muslims don't want to pass through metal detectors, they can pray in the garbage dumb (of their making) at the base.

A few muslims are not bothered by the security.

I don't have a problem with small tents or pavilions set up around the edge for other faiths as well as a synagogue/temple, a church and a mosque on the mount. No loud speakers.

I'll just go back as a tourist when there is peace. I've lived through too much violence and war already, far too much.

My thought here is that the Palestinians should instead be furious at the gunmen's breach of the sanctity of the place.

 

[Divine Wind]

I have questions too.

Why do the Europeans continue to believe it is their holiest site?

Why do they even care?

Isn't it time for the Europeans, whose ancestors only converted to Judaism in the middle ages, to build their temple elsewhere?

The Muslim structures there have been there for centuries and certainly aren't going anywhere.

Do you even understand what the Wailing Wall is? Or the structure upon which the Dome of the Rock was built?

IMO, it's either everyone or those who possess the land. Guess who that is?

 

[louie888]

Do you even understand what the Wailing Wall is?

I do, indeed. And after exhaustive research in this very matter, I found that the Jews are wailing at the wrong wall.

 

[Divine Wind]

Oh, you bore me. Fine. Here's your answers:

Because it is.

Because its our holiest site -- the place where the Shechinah rests.

No. The Temple has only one place.

True, (as long as no one gets it in their mind to properly return it to its rightful owners).

My 7 year old could do better.

You should let your seven year old take over. I'm sure they would do better.

The fact that you won't answer four simple and important questions proves that you are a not only a disingenuous liar, but are also morally corrupt.

Answered. Answered honestly.

If you don't like my answers -- your problem.

Try again, one at a time for you.

1) Why do the Europeans continue to believe it is their holiest site?

Unless there is a reasonable answer to this simple question, everything else is moot.

False question. The "Europeans" don't believe it's their holiest site. However, Christians, Jews and Muslims around the world do see it as a revered religious site.

 

[Divine Wind]

Do you even understand what the Wailing Wall is?

I do, indeed. And after exhaustive research in this very matter, I found that the Jews are wailing at the wrong wall.

Well, you could always stage more suicide bombings and rocket attacks to force them to leave.

 

[louie888]

False question. The "Europeans" don't believe it's their holiest site. However, Christians, Jews and Muslims around the world do see it as a revered religious site.

I am asking specifically about the Europeans who started calling themselves Jews in the middle ages and who stole Palestine in just the last century.

 

[Divine Wind]

False question. The "Europeans" don't believe it's their holiest site. However, Christians, Jews and Muslims around the world do see it as a revered religious site.

I am asking specifically about the Europeans who started calling themselves Jews in the middle ages and who stole Palestine in just the last century.

So, according to you, unless a person has a direct Saudi lineage or any Muslims from the Philippines shouldn't go on a Haj because they aren't "true" Muslims?

 

[Coyote]

I have questions too.

Why do the Europeans continue to believe it is their holiest site?

Why do they even care?

Isn't it time for the Europeans, whose ancestors only converted to Judaism in the middle ages, to build their temple elsewhere?

The Muslim structures there have been there for centuries and certainly aren't going anywhere.

Do you even understand what the Wailing Wall is? Or the structure upon which the Dome of the Rock was built?

IMO, it's either everyone or those who possess the land. Guess who that is?

Those who possess the land don't have the right to deny worshippers...they shouldn't.

And people need to share.

Religion is such crazy shit....

 

[Coyote]

False question. The "Europeans" don't believe it's their holiest site. However, Christians, Jews and Muslims around the world do see it as a revered religious site.

I am asking specifically about the Europeans who started calling themselves Jews in the middle ages and who stole Palestine in just the last century.

Who the fuck cares? What does that have to do with holy sites?