Who Are The Palestinians?

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The world does not operate according to your interpretations. Your definitions --- and --- twisting of words is not helpful.

The Mandate was not a place. The Mandate was a temporarily appointed administration. It never claimed possession of any land.

(OBSERVATION)

PART I.

PRELIMINARY.
Title. 1. This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

• 
  The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.

Definitions. 2. In this Order the word:--

• 
  "The Mandate" means the Mandate for Palestine which was confirmed, and the terms of which were defined by the Council of the League of Nations on the 24th day of July, 1922.

Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between latitude 30° N. and 33° N., Longitude 34° 30 E. and 35° 30' E.

On the south it is bounded by Egyptian and Saudi Arabian territory, on the east by Trans-Jordan, on the north by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and the Lebanon, and on the west by the Mediterranean.

The boundaries are described as follows:--

• • 
    South.--From a point west of Rafa on the Mediterranean to a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba.
    
    East.--From a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba up the centre of the Wadi Araba, the Dead Sea, and the River Jordan, to the junction of the latter with the River Yarmuk, thence up the centre of the River Yarmuk to the Syrian frontier.
    
    North.--The northern boundary was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Stated briefly, the boundary runs from Ras el Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to Metulla and across the upper Jordan valley to Banias, thence to Jisr Banat Yaqub, thence along the Jordan to the Lake of Tiberias on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line.
    
    West.--The Mediterranean Sea.
    

(COMMENT)

Prior to 15 May 1948, the term "Palestine" = "The territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies" = "The boundaries are described, supra."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[MJB12741]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The world does not operate according to your interpretations. Your definitions --- and --- twisting of words is not helpful.

The Mandate was not a place. The Mandate was a temporarily appointed administration. It never claimed possession of any land.

(OBSERVATION)

PART I.

PRELIMINARY.
Title. 1. This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

• 
  The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.

Definitions. 2. In this Order the word:--

• 
  "The Mandate" means the Mandate for Palestine which was confirmed, and the terms of which were defined by the Council of the League of Nations on the 24th day of July, 1922.

Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between latitude 30° N. and 33° N., Longitude 34° 30 E. and 35° 30' E.

On the south it is bounded by Egyptian and Saudi Arabian territory, on the east by Trans-Jordan, on the north by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and the Lebanon, and on the west by the Mediterranean.

The boundaries are described as follows:--

• • 
    South.--From a point west of Rafa on the Mediterranean to a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba.
    
    East.--From a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba up the centre of the Wadi Araba, the Dead Sea, and the River Jordan, to the junction of the latter with the River Yarmuk, thence up the centre of the River Yarmuk to the Syrian frontier.
    
    North.--The northern boundary was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Stated briefly, the boundary runs from Ras el Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to Metulla and across the upper Jordan valley to Banias, thence to Jisr Banat Yaqub, thence along the Jordan to the Lake of Tiberias on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line.
    
    West.--The Mediterranean Sea.

(COMMENT)

Prior to 15 May 1948, the term "Palestine" = "The territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies" = "The boundaries are described, supra."

Most Respectfully,
R

Thanks RoccoR. Is their ANYONE who's geographic knowledge of the Palestinian territories is so unknown as to not under this?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The world does not operate according to your interpretations. Your definitions --- and --- twisting of words is not helpful.

The Mandate was not a place. The Mandate was a temporarily appointed administration. It never claimed possession of any land.

(OBSERVATION)

PART I.

PRELIMINARY.
Title. 1. This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

• 
  The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.

Definitions. 2. In this Order the word:--

• 
  "The Mandate" means the Mandate for Palestine which was confirmed, and the terms of which were defined by the Council of the League of Nations on the 24th day of July, 1922.

Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between latitude 30° N. and 33° N., Longitude 34° 30 E. and 35° 30' E.

On the south it is bounded by Egyptian and Saudi Arabian territory, on the east by Trans-Jordan, on the north by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and the Lebanon, and on the west by the Mediterranean.

The boundaries are described as follows:--

• • 
    South.--From a point west of Rafa on the Mediterranean to a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba.
    
    East.--From a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba up the centre of the Wadi Araba, the Dead Sea, and the River Jordan, to the junction of the latter with the River Yarmuk, thence up the centre of the River Yarmuk to the Syrian frontier.
    
    North.--The northern boundary was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Stated briefly, the boundary runs from Ras el Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to Metulla and across the upper Jordan valley to Banias, thence to Jisr Banat Yaqub, thence along the Jordan to the Lake of Tiberias on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line.
    
    West.--The Mediterranean Sea.

(COMMENT)

Prior to 15 May 1948, the term "Palestine" = "The territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies" = "The boundaries are described, supra."

Most Respectfully,
R

The Mandate was not a place. It was an administration that held Palestine in trust.

After the Mandate left Palestine, Palestine was still there.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The world does not operate according to your interpretations. Your definitions --- and --- twisting of words is not helpful.

The Mandate was not a place. The Mandate was a temporarily appointed administration. It never claimed possession of any land.

(OBSERVATION)

PART I.

PRELIMINARY.
Title. 1. This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

• 
  The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.

Definitions. 2. In this Order the word:--

• 
  "The Mandate" means the Mandate for Palestine which was confirmed, and the terms of which were defined by the Council of the League of Nations on the 24th day of July, 1922.

Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between latitude 30° N. and 33° N., Longitude 34° 30 E. and 35° 30' E.

On the south it is bounded by Egyptian and Saudi Arabian territory, on the east by Trans-Jordan, on the north by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and the Lebanon, and on the west by the Mediterranean.

The boundaries are described as follows:--

• • 
    South.--From a point west of Rafa on the Mediterranean to a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba.
    
    East.--From a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba up the centre of the Wadi Araba, the Dead Sea, and the River Jordan, to the junction of the latter with the River Yarmuk, thence up the centre of the River Yarmuk to the Syrian frontier.
    
    North.--The northern boundary was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Stated briefly, the boundary runs from Ras el Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to Metulla and across the upper Jordan valley to Banias, thence to Jisr Banat Yaqub, thence along the Jordan to the Lake of Tiberias on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line.
    
    West.--The Mediterranean Sea.

(COMMENT)

Prior to 15 May 1948, the term "Palestine" = "The territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies" = "The boundaries are described, supra."

Most Respectfully,
R

The Mandate was not a place. It was an administration that held Palestine in trust.

After the Mandate left Palestine, Palestine was still there.

Remember that two MANDATES apply, one being the LoN Mandate for Palestine which was a place. The other being the British Mandate which was an administration.

After the British left Palestine the area Palestine the area was still there. But it was never a nation until 1988, and the arab muslims admit that themselves by claiming independence in 1988.

Unless you can produce a treaty signed by the Palestinian leardership proclaiming the nation of Palestine prior to 1988

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The world does not operate according to your interpretations. Your definitions --- and --- twisting of words is not helpful.

The Mandate was not a place. The Mandate was a temporarily appointed administration. It never claimed possession of any land.

(OBSERVATION)

PART I.

PRELIMINARY.
Title. 1. This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

• 
  The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.

Definitions. 2. In this Order the word:--

• 
  "The Mandate" means the Mandate for Palestine which was confirmed, and the terms of which were defined by the Council of the League of Nations on the 24th day of July, 1922.

Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between latitude 30° N. and 33° N., Longitude 34° 30 E. and 35° 30' E.

On the south it is bounded by Egyptian and Saudi Arabian territory, on the east by Trans-Jordan, on the north by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and the Lebanon, and on the west by the Mediterranean.

The boundaries are described as follows:--

• • 
    South.--From a point west of Rafa on the Mediterranean to a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba.
    
    East.--From a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba up the centre of the Wadi Araba, the Dead Sea, and the River Jordan, to the junction of the latter with the River Yarmuk, thence up the centre of the River Yarmuk to the Syrian frontier.
    
    North.--The northern boundary was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Stated briefly, the boundary runs from Ras el Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to Metulla and across the upper Jordan valley to Banias, thence to Jisr Banat Yaqub, thence along the Jordan to the Lake of Tiberias on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line.
    
    West.--The Mediterranean Sea.

(COMMENT)

Prior to 15 May 1948, the term "Palestine" = "The territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies" = "The boundaries are described, supra."

Most Respectfully,
R

The Mandate was not a place. It was an administration that held Palestine in trust.

After the Mandate left Palestine, Palestine was still there.

Remember that two MANDATES apply, one being the LoN Mandate for Palestine which was a place. The other being the British Mandate which was an administration.

After the British left Palestine the area Palestine the area was still there. But it was never a nation until 1988, and the arab muslims admit that themselves by claiming independence in 1988.

Unless you can produce a treaty signed by the Palestinian leardership proclaiming the nation of Palestine prior to 1988

Guided​

by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

A RES 3236 XXIX of 22 November 1974​

Why did the UN say "in Palestine" if it did not exist? What Palestine were they talking about?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The world does not operate according to your interpretations. Your definitions --- and --- twisting of words is not helpful.

The Mandate was not a place. The Mandate was a temporarily appointed administration. It never claimed possession of any land.

(OBSERVATION)

PART I.

PRELIMINARY.
Title. 1. This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

• 
  The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.

Definitions. 2. In this Order the word:--

• 
  "The Mandate" means the Mandate for Palestine which was confirmed, and the terms of which were defined by the Council of the League of Nations on the 24th day of July, 1922.

Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between latitude 30° N. and 33° N., Longitude 34° 30 E. and 35° 30' E.

On the south it is bounded by Egyptian and Saudi Arabian territory, on the east by Trans-Jordan, on the north by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and the Lebanon, and on the west by the Mediterranean.

The boundaries are described as follows:--

• • 
    South.--From a point west of Rafa on the Mediterranean to a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba.
    
    East.--From a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba up the centre of the Wadi Araba, the Dead Sea, and the River Jordan, to the junction of the latter with the River Yarmuk, thence up the centre of the River Yarmuk to the Syrian frontier.
    
    North.--The northern boundary was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Stated briefly, the boundary runs from Ras el Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to Metulla and across the upper Jordan valley to Banias, thence to Jisr Banat Yaqub, thence along the Jordan to the Lake of Tiberias on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line.
    
    West.--The Mediterranean Sea.

(COMMENT)

Prior to 15 May 1948, the term "Palestine" = "The territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies" = "The boundaries are described, supra."

Most Respectfully,
R

The Mandate was not a place. It was an administration that held Palestine in trust.

After the Mandate left Palestine, Palestine was still there.

Remember that two MANDATES apply, one being the LoN Mandate for Palestine which was a place. The other being the British Mandate which was an administration.

After the British left Palestine the area Palestine the area was still there. But it was never a nation until 1988, and the arab muslims admit that themselves by claiming independence in 1988.

Unless you can produce a treaty signed by the Palestinian leardership proclaiming the nation of Palestine prior to 1988

Guided
by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

A RES 3236 XXIX of 22 November 1974​

Why did the UN say "in Palestine" if it did not exist? What Palestine were they talking about?

Firstly it did not apply in 1920 when the LoN gave the land to the Jews

Secondly it did not apply in 1923 when the LoN rethought the land to be given to the Jews

Thirdly it did not apply in 1947 when the U.N illegally portioned the land and gave half to the Jews

Fourthly it did not apply in 1967 when the Palestinians and others declared war on Israel and decided to invade them

Fifthly it did not apply in 1970 when the Palestinians decided to terrorise Jordan and attempt to steal the land

And the Palestine in that resolution was not the nation of Palestine but the name given to the west bank and gaza for clerical purposes. It was a throwback to the LoN Mandate for Palestine terminology that truncated the Mandate for Palestine to Palestine and it has stuck ever since. Now how about this International treaty that was singed by a Palestinian leader agreeing to defined borders with its neighbours as laid down in UN res 242.


For the record it took the PLO a further 14 years to realise what you have failed to do, that self determination is not given out but is grasped with both hands. So they did so in 1988 when they declared independence and took on self determination only to immediately throw it away when they refused to take up national independence and sovereignty because it meant ending their violence, belligerence and terrorism.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The world does not operate according to your interpretations. Your definitions --- and --- twisting of words is not helpful.

The Mandate was not a place. The Mandate was a temporarily appointed administration. It never claimed possession of any land.

(OBSERVATION)

PART I.

PRELIMINARY.
Title. 1. This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

• 
  The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.

Definitions. 2. In this Order the word:--

• 
  "The Mandate" means the Mandate for Palestine which was confirmed, and the terms of which were defined by the Council of the League of Nations on the 24th day of July, 1922.

Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between latitude 30° N. and 33° N., Longitude 34° 30 E. and 35° 30' E.

On the south it is bounded by Egyptian and Saudi Arabian territory, on the east by Trans-Jordan, on the north by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and the Lebanon, and on the west by the Mediterranean.

The boundaries are described as follows:--

• • 
    South.--From a point west of Rafa on the Mediterranean to a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba.
    
    East.--From a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba up the centre of the Wadi Araba, the Dead Sea, and the River Jordan, to the junction of the latter with the River Yarmuk, thence up the centre of the River Yarmuk to the Syrian frontier.
    
    North.--The northern boundary was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Stated briefly, the boundary runs from Ras el Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to Metulla and across the upper Jordan valley to Banias, thence to Jisr Banat Yaqub, thence along the Jordan to the Lake of Tiberias on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line.
    
    West.--The Mediterranean Sea.

(COMMENT)

Prior to 15 May 1948, the term "Palestine" = "The territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies" = "The boundaries are described, supra."

Most Respectfully,
R

The Mandate was not a place. It was an administration that held Palestine in trust.

After the Mandate left Palestine, Palestine was still there.

Remember that two MANDATES apply, one being the LoN Mandate for Palestine which was a place. The other being the British Mandate which was an administration.

After the British left Palestine the area Palestine the area was still there. But it was never a nation until 1988, and the arab muslims admit that themselves by claiming independence in 1988.

Unless you can produce a treaty signed by the Palestinian leardership proclaiming the nation of Palestine prior to 1988

Guided
by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

A RES 3236 XXIX of 22 November 1974​

Why did the UN say "in Palestine" if it did not exist? What Palestine were they talking about?

Firstly it did not apply in 1920 when the LoN gave the land to the Jews

Secondly it did not apply in 1923 when the LoN rethought the land to be given to the Jews

Thirdly it did not apply in 1947 when the U.N illegally portioned the land and gave half to the Jews

Fourthly it did not apply in 1967 when the Palestinians and others declared war on Israel and decided to invade them

Fifthly it did not apply in 1970 when the Palestinians decided to terrorise Jordan and attempt to steal the land

And the Palestine in that resolution was not the nation of Palestine but the name given to the west bank and gaza for clerical purposes. It was a throwback to the LoN Mandate for Palestine terminology that truncated the Mandate for Palestine to Palestine and it has stuck ever since. Now how about this International treaty that was singed by a Palestinian leader agreeing to defined borders with its neighbours as laid down in UN res 242.


For the record it took the PLO a further 14 years to realise what you have failed to do, that self determination is not given out but is grasped with both hands. So they did so in 1988 when they declared independence and took on self determination only to immediately throw it away when they refused to take up national independence and sovereignty because it meant ending their violence, belligerence and terrorism.

Yep, Palestine and the Palestinians still there in 1974.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes this is true. But again, this is not the whole story.

Yep, Palestine and the Palestinians still there in 1974.

(COMMENT)

What is Palestine today? It is not the same as it was prior to 1948.

Affirms its determination to contribute to the achievement of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and the attainment of a peaceful settlement in the Middle East that ends the occupation that began in 1967 and fulfills the vision of two States: an independent, sovereign, democratic, contiguous and viable State of Palestine living side by side in peace and security with Israel on the basis of the pre-1967 borders;

• Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967;

• Decides that, effective as of 15 December 1988, the designation "Palestine" should be used in place of the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" in the United Nations system, without prejudice to the observer status and functions of the Palestine Liberation Organization within the United Nations system, in conformity with relevant United Nations resolutions and practice;

​

What is Palestine today? When you say, when the Mandate left, Palestine remained, --- that is true. The territory under the Mandate for Palestine became the territory under the Trusteeship of the UNPC.

However, since that time, the term "Palestine" has come to mean something else.

• Mahmoud Abbas, also known by the kunya Abu Mazen, is the President of the State of Palestine. He has been the Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization since 11 November 2004 and has been President of the Palestinian Authority since 15 January 2005. Abbas is a member of the Fatah party.
• PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas orders all institutions to stop using the term Palestinian Authority and start using "State of Palestine".

"At the end of the day, the Palestinian Authority won't cause trouble for its people," Nour Odeh, a spokeswoman for Abbas' self-rule government, said of the need for caution.

Most Respectfully,
R[/quote]

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes this is true. But again, this is not the whole story.

Yep, Palestine and the Palestinians still there in 1974.

(COMMENT)

What is Palestine today? It is not the same as it was prior to 1948.

Affirms its determination to contribute to the achievement of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and the attainment of a peaceful settlement in the Middle East that ends the occupation that began in 1967 and fulfills the vision of two States: an independent, sovereign, democratic, contiguous and viable State of Palestine living side by side in peace and security with Israel on the basis of the pre-1967 borders;

• Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967;

• Decides that, effective as of 15 December 1988, the designation "Palestine" should be used in place of the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" in the United Nations system, without prejudice to the observer status and functions of the Palestine Liberation Organization within the United Nations system, in conformity with relevant United Nations resolutions and practice;

​

What is Palestine today? When you say, when the Mandate left, Palestine remained, --- that is true. The territory under the Mandate for Palestine became the territory under the Trusteeship of the UNPC.

However, since that time, the term "Palestine" has come to mean something else.

• Mahmoud Abbas, also known by the kunya Abu Mazen, is the President of the State of Palestine. He has been the Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization since 11 November 2004 and has been President of the Palestinian Authority since 15 January 2005. Abbas is a member of the Fatah party.
• PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas orders all institutions to stop using the term Palestinian Authority and start using "State of Palestine".

"At the end of the day, the Palestinian Authority won't cause trouble for its people," Nour Odeh, a spokeswoman for Abbas' self-rule government, said of the need for caution.

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but the Palestinians have the same rights in Palestine that they have always had. Rights do not erode with time or diminish due to political change.

 

[MJB12741]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The world does not operate according to your interpretations. Your definitions --- and --- twisting of words is not helpful.

(OBSERVATION)

PART I.

PRELIMINARY.
Title. 1. This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

• 
  The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.

Definitions. 2. In this Order the word:--

• 
  "The Mandate" means the Mandate for Palestine which was confirmed, and the terms of which were defined by the Council of the League of Nations on the 24th day of July, 1922.

Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between latitude 30° N. and 33° N., Longitude 34° 30 E. and 35° 30' E.

On the south it is bounded by Egyptian and Saudi Arabian territory, on the east by Trans-Jordan, on the north by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and the Lebanon, and on the west by the Mediterranean.

The boundaries are described as follows:--

• • 
    South.--From a point west of Rafa on the Mediterranean to a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba.
    
    East.--From a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba up the centre of the Wadi Araba, the Dead Sea, and the River Jordan, to the junction of the latter with the River Yarmuk, thence up the centre of the River Yarmuk to the Syrian frontier.
    
    North.--The northern boundary was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Stated briefly, the boundary runs from Ras el Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to Metulla and across the upper Jordan valley to Banias, thence to Jisr Banat Yaqub, thence along the Jordan to the Lake of Tiberias on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line.
    
    West.--The Mediterranean Sea.

(COMMENT)

Prior to 15 May 1948, the term "Palestine" = "The territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies" = "The boundaries are described, supra."

Most Respectfully,
R

The Mandate was not a place. It was an administration that held Palestine in trust.

After the Mandate left Palestine, Palestine was still there.

Remember that two MANDATES apply, one being the LoN Mandate for Palestine which was a place. The other being the British Mandate which was an administration.

After the British left Palestine the area Palestine the area was still there. But it was never a nation until 1988, and the arab muslims admit that themselves by claiming independence in 1988.

Unless you can produce a treaty signed by the Palestinian leardership proclaiming the nation of Palestine prior to 1988

Guided
by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

A RES 3236 XXIX of 22 November 1974​

Why did the UN say "in Palestine" if it did not exist? What Palestine were they talking about?

Firstly it did not apply in 1920 when the LoN gave the land to the Jews

Secondly it did not apply in 1923 when the LoN rethought the land to be given to the Jews

Thirdly it did not apply in 1947 when the U.N illegally portioned the land and gave half to the Jews

Fourthly it did not apply in 1967 when the Palestinians and others declared war on Israel and decided to invade them

Fifthly it did not apply in 1970 when the Palestinians decided to terrorise Jordan and attempt to steal the land

And the Palestine in that resolution was not the nation of Palestine but the name given to the west bank and gaza for clerical purposes. It was a throwback to the LoN Mandate for Palestine terminology that truncated the Mandate for Palestine to Palestine and it has stuck ever since. Now how about this International treaty that was singed by a Palestinian leader agreeing to defined borders with its neighbours as laid down in UN res 242.


For the record it took the PLO a further 14 years to realise what you have failed to do, that self determination is not given out but is grasped with both hands. So they did so in 1988 when they declared independence and took on self determination only to immediately throw it away when they refused to take up national independence and sovereignty because it meant ending their violence, belligerence and terrorism.

Yep, Palestine and the Palestinians still there in 1974.

Yep, Jews still there since antiquity. And now we have nearly 6 million Muslim Palestinians mostly squatters with no titles or deeds whatsoever to the land they have been stealing in Israel.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The world does not operate according to your interpretations. Your definitions --- and --- twisting of words is not helpful.

(OBSERVATION)

PART I.

PRELIMINARY.
Title. 1. This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

• 
  The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.

Definitions. 2. In this Order the word:--

• 
  "The Mandate" means the Mandate for Palestine which was confirmed, and the terms of which were defined by the Council of the League of Nations on the 24th day of July, 1922.

Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between latitude 30° N. and 33° N., Longitude 34° 30 E. and 35° 30' E.

On the south it is bounded by Egyptian and Saudi Arabian territory, on the east by Trans-Jordan, on the north by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and the Lebanon, and on the west by the Mediterranean.

The boundaries are described as follows:--

• • 
    South.--From a point west of Rafa on the Mediterranean to a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba.
    
    East.--From a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba up the centre of the Wadi Araba, the Dead Sea, and the River Jordan, to the junction of the latter with the River Yarmuk, thence up the centre of the River Yarmuk to the Syrian frontier.
    
    North.--The northern boundary was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Stated briefly, the boundary runs from Ras el Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to Metulla and across the upper Jordan valley to Banias, thence to Jisr Banat Yaqub, thence along the Jordan to the Lake of Tiberias on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line.
    
    West.--The Mediterranean Sea.

(COMMENT)

Prior to 15 May 1948, the term "Palestine" = "The territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies" = "The boundaries are described, supra."

Most Respectfully,
R

The Mandate was not a place. It was an administration that held Palestine in trust.

After the Mandate left Palestine, Palestine was still there.

Remember that two MANDATES apply, one being the LoN Mandate for Palestine which was a place. The other being the British Mandate which was an administration.

After the British left Palestine the area Palestine the area was still there. But it was never a nation until 1988, and the arab muslims admit that themselves by claiming independence in 1988.

Unless you can produce a treaty signed by the Palestinian leardership proclaiming the nation of Palestine prior to 1988

Guided
by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

A RES 3236 XXIX of 22 November 1974​

Why did the UN say "in Palestine" if it did not exist? What Palestine were they talking about?

Firstly it did not apply in 1920 when the LoN gave the land to the Jews

Secondly it did not apply in 1923 when the LoN rethought the land to be given to the Jews

Thirdly it did not apply in 1947 when the U.N illegally portioned the land and gave half to the Jews

Fourthly it did not apply in 1967 when the Palestinians and others declared war on Israel and decided to invade them

Fifthly it did not apply in 1970 when the Palestinians decided to terrorise Jordan and attempt to steal the land

And the Palestine in that resolution was not the nation of Palestine but the name given to the west bank and gaza for clerical purposes. It was a throwback to the LoN Mandate for Palestine terminology that truncated the Mandate for Palestine to Palestine and it has stuck ever since. Now how about this International treaty that was singed by a Palestinian leader agreeing to defined borders with its neighbours as laid down in UN res 242.


For the record it took the PLO a further 14 years to realise what you have failed to do, that self determination is not given out but is grasped with both hands. So they did so in 1988 when they declared independence and took on self determination only to immediately throw it away when they refused to take up national independence and sovereignty because it meant ending their violence, belligerence and terrorism.

Yep, Palestine and the Palestinians still there in 1974.

Correct Jewish Palestine and Jewish Palestinians. The stolen name and land did not become arab muslim Palestine until 1988. Before that the Palestine mentioned by the UN and LoN was the Mandate for Palestine.

Now were is this treaty that shows the borders of Palestine signed by a Palestinian official and representatives of neighbouring nations. Cant wait to see it, it must be lodged with the UN maybe monte can find it for you ?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes this is true. But again, this is not the whole story.

Yep, Palestine and the Palestinians still there in 1974.

(COMMENT)

What is Palestine today? It is not the same as it was prior to 1948.

Affirms its determination to contribute to the achievement of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and the attainment of a peaceful settlement in the Middle East that ends the occupation that began in 1967 and fulfills the vision of two States: an independent, sovereign, democratic, contiguous and viable State of Palestine living side by side in peace and security with Israel on the basis of the pre-1967 borders;

• Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967;

• Decides that, effective as of 15 December 1988, the designation "Palestine" should be used in place of the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" in the United Nations system, without prejudice to the observer status and functions of the Palestine Liberation Organization within the United Nations system, in conformity with relevant United Nations resolutions and practice;

​

What is Palestine today? When you say, when the Mandate left, Palestine remained, --- that is true. The territory under the Mandate for Palestine became the territory under the Trusteeship of the UNPC.

However, since that time, the term "Palestine" has come to mean something else.

• Mahmoud Abbas, also known by the kunya Abu Mazen, is the President of the State of Palestine. He has been the Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization since 11 November 2004 and has been President of the Palestinian Authority since 15 January 2005. Abbas is a member of the Fatah party.
• PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas orders all institutions to stop using the term Palestinian Authority and start using "State of Palestine".

"At the end of the day, the Palestinian Authority won't cause trouble for its people," Nour Odeh, a spokeswoman for Abbas' self-rule government, said of the need for caution.

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but the Palestinians have the same rights in Palestine that they have always had. Rights do not erode with time or diminish due to political change.

The rights afforded the arab muslims of Palestine in 1920 were much less than the rights afforded arab muslims of Palestine today. So NO they do not have the same rights they have always had, if they did then they had no right to use violence to achieve the aims of world domination as commanded by their gods.

And Israel still has the same right to defend against attack using deadly force as it did in 1948, and the arab muslims have the same right to die for attacking Israel now as they did in 1948.

 

[Challenger]

Firstly it did not apply in 1920 when the LoN gave the land to the Jews

League of Nations gave nothing to anyone.

Secondly it did not apply in 1923 when the LoN rethought the land to be given to the Jews

League of Nations gave nothing to anyone.

Thirdly it did not apply in 1947 when the U.N illegally portioned the land and gave half to the Jews

The U.N. gave nothing to anyone.

Fourthly it did not apply in 1967 when the Palestinians and others declared war on Israel and decided to invade them

Nobody invaded Israel in 1967, Israel attacked its neighbours and invaded their territories.

 

[Phoenall]

Firstly it did not apply in 1920 when the LoN gave the land to the Jews

League of Nations gave nothing to anyone.

Secondly it did not apply in 1923 when the LoN rethought the land to be given to the Jews

League of Nations gave nothing to anyone.

Thirdly it did not apply in 1947 when the U.N illegally portioned the land and gave half to the Jews

The U.N. gave nothing to anyone.

Fourthly it did not apply in 1967 when the Palestinians and others declared war on Israel and decided to invade them

Nobody invaded Israel in 1967, Israel attacked its neighbours and invaded their territories.

How about links to corroborate your claims, or will they be like your definition of Zionism non existent. And no partisan sources for your links either.

But remember if the LoN gave nothing then Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi and Egypt don't exist

 

[Challenger]

Firstly it did not apply in 1920 when the LoN gave the land to the Jews

League of Nations gave nothing to anyone.

Secondly it did not apply in 1923 when the LoN rethought the land to be given to the Jews

League of Nations gave nothing to anyone.

Thirdly it did not apply in 1947 when the U.N illegally portioned the land and gave half to the Jews

The U.N. gave nothing to anyone.

Fourthly it did not apply in 1967 when the Palestinians and others declared war on Israel and decided to invade them

Nobody invaded Israel in 1967, Israel attacked its neighbours and invaded their territories.

How about links to corroborate your claims, or will they be like your definition of Zionism non existent. And no partisan sources for your links either.

But remember if the LoN gave nothing then Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi and Egypt don't exist

I don't know whether this is just another troll, or whether you are a complete imbecile.
Just look back through this thread and you will find abundant links to back up what I've posted. Even RoccoR is in qualified agreement. If you are too lazy or stupid to do so, send your "mini-me-minion" Abuafck to do it for you.

 

[ChrisL]

Firstly it did not apply in 1920 when the LoN gave the land to the Jews

League of Nations gave nothing to anyone.

Secondly it did not apply in 1923 when the LoN rethought the land to be given to the Jews

League of Nations gave nothing to anyone.

Thirdly it did not apply in 1947 when the U.N illegally portioned the land and gave half to the Jews

The U.N. gave nothing to anyone.

Fourthly it did not apply in 1967 when the Palestinians and others declared war on Israel and decided to invade them

Nobody invaded Israel in 1967, Israel attacked its neighbours and invaded their territories.

How about links to corroborate your claims, or will they be like your definition of Zionism non existent. And no partisan sources for your links either.

But remember if the LoN gave nothing then Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi and Egypt don't exist

I don't know whether this is just another troll, or whether you are a complete imbecile.
Just look back through this thread and you will find abundant links to back up what I've posted. Even RoccoR is in qualified agreement. If you are too lazy or stupid to do so, send your "mini-me-minion" Abuafck to do it for you.

Yes, the Israelis attacked first because they found out about the Arabs plans to attack them, so they got the jump on them. Good intelligence. Lol.

 

[ChrisL]

Firstly it did not apply in 1920 when the LoN gave the land to the Jews

League of Nations gave nothing to anyone.

Secondly it did not apply in 1923 when the LoN rethought the land to be given to the Jews

League of Nations gave nothing to anyone.

Thirdly it did not apply in 1947 when the U.N illegally portioned the land and gave half to the Jews

The U.N. gave nothing to anyone.

Fourthly it did not apply in 1967 when the Palestinians and others declared war on Israel and decided to invade them

Nobody invaded Israel in 1967, Israel attacked its neighbours and invaded their territories.

To the victors go the spoils. As a matter of fact, I don't think we should have ever left Iraq. Look at what happens when daddy leaves.

 

[Challenger]

To the victors go the spoils....

Not since 24th October 1945.

 

[Challenger]

Firstly it did not apply in 1920 when the LoN gave the land to the Jews

League of Nations gave nothing to anyone.

Secondly it did not apply in 1923 when the LoN rethought the land to be given to the Jews

League of Nations gave nothing to anyone.

Thirdly it did not apply in 1947 when the U.N illegally portioned the land and gave half to the Jews

The U.N. gave nothing to anyone.

Fourthly it did not apply in 1967 when the Palestinians and others declared war on Israel and decided to invade them

Nobody invaded Israel in 1967, Israel attacked its neighbours and invaded their territories.

How about links to corroborate your claims, or will they be like your definition of Zionism non existent. And no partisan sources for your links either.

But remember if the LoN gave nothing then Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi and Egypt don't exist

I don't know whether this is just another troll, or whether you are a complete imbecile.
Just look back through this thread and you will find abundant links to back up what I've posted. Even RoccoR is in qualified agreement. If you are too lazy or stupid to do so, send your "mini-me-minion" Abuafck to do it for you.

Yes, the Israelis attacked first because they found out about the Arabs plans to attack them, so they got the jump on them. Good intelligence. Lol.

 

[ChrisL]

Firstly it did not apply in 1920 when the LoN gave the land to the Jews

League of Nations gave nothing to anyone.

Secondly it did not apply in 1923 when the LoN rethought the land to be given to the Jews

League of Nations gave nothing to anyone.

Thirdly it did not apply in 1947 when the U.N illegally portioned the land and gave half to the Jews

The U.N. gave nothing to anyone.

Fourthly it did not apply in 1967 when the Palestinians and others declared war on Israel and decided to invade them

Nobody invaded Israel in 1967, Israel attacked its neighbours and invaded their territories.

How about links to corroborate your claims, or will they be like your definition of Zionism non existent. And no partisan sources for your links either.

But remember if the LoN gave nothing then Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi and Egypt don't exist

I don't know whether this is just another troll, or whether you are a complete imbecile.
Just look back through this thread and you will find abundant links to back up what I've posted. Even RoccoR is in qualified agreement. If you are too lazy or stupid to do so, send your "mini-me-minion" Abuafck to do it for you.

Yes, the Israelis attacked first because they found out about the Arabs plans to attack them, so they got the jump on them. Good intelligence. Lol.

Yes.

Myths Facts The 1967 Six-Day War Chapter 6 Jewish Virtual Library

FACT
A combination of bellicose Arab rhetoric, threatening behavior and, ultimately, an act of war left Israel no choice but preemptive action. To do this successfully, Israel needed the element of surprise. Had it waited for an Arab invasion, Israel would have been at a potentially catastrophic disadvantage.

In addition to Nasser’s verbal threats, Israel was under actual attack from Arab terrorists. In 1965, 35 raids were conducted against Israel. In 1966, the number increased to 41. In just the first four months of 1967, 37 attacks were launched.5

Meanwhile, Syria’s attacks on Israeli kibbutzim from the Golan Heights provoked a retaliatory strike on April 7, 1967, during which Israeli planes shot down six Syrian MiGs. Shortly thereafter, the Soviet Union—which had been providing military and economic aid to both Syria and Egypt—gave Damascus information alleging a massive Israeli military buildup in preparation for an attack. Despite Israeli denials, Syria decided to invoke its defense treaty with Egypt.

On May 15, Israel’s Independence Day, Egyptian troops began moving into the Sinai and massing near the Israeli border. By May 18, Syrian troops were prepared for battle along the Golan Heights.

Nasser ordered the UN Emergency Force, stationed in the Sinai since 1956, to withdraw on May 16. Without bringing the matter to the attention of the General Assembly, as his predecessor had promised, Secretary-General U Thant complied with the demand. After the withdrawal of the UNEF, the Voice of the Arabs proclaimed (May 18, 1967):

As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel. We shall exercise patience no more. We shall not complain any more to the UN about Israel. The sole method we shall apply against Israel is total war, which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence. 6