What will your reaction be when you discover you were wrong about Obama?

[iamwhatiseem]

I think the right knows he's a good president and has consistently worked for the good of middle, working and poor classes. They also know the Republican party is now the party of the wealthy.

Honestly, watching some rw's vote against their own best interest, as well as the best interest of their families, their children, the country - its a fascinating phenomenon.

And here you have it.
A good example of the low information light weights that still believe in him.
And consequently fall for the stereotypical "it's the other party" mentality.
"Republican party is the party of the wealthy"...laughable.
BOTH parties are the party of the wealthy.
62% of wealthy donors, donated to the Democrat party. Gee...kinds clouds things up eh?
The entire legislative branches are wholly corrupted by corporatism/special interest and the central banks. So much so, that the foundation of our governance has fundamentally changed. We are an oligarchy. Both parties.
And Obama? He is an elitist/corporatist. Period.

 

[driveby]

I think the right knows he's a good president and has consistently worked for the good of middle, working and poor classes. They also know the Republican party is now the party of the wealthy.

Honestly, watching some rw's vote against their own best interest, as well as the best interest of their families, their children, the country - its a fascinating phenomenon.

Now we know why the count on the turnip truck was one short, thanks......

 

[oldfart]

You left out the actual situation. A lot of us bought into the 2008 campaign rhetoric (what was really the alternative?), then discovered that Obama was a non-entity who could not lead (except from behind) and who had no convictions, just wishful thinking. And was severely delusional about the other party. If lucky, he will go down as a C- president, somewhere behind Calvin Coolidge and ahead of Rutherford B Hayes.

And worst of all, he is a corporatist Wall Street tool who surrounded himself with the worst advisors from the four previous administrations. The guy has a genius for picking the wrong people.

Like you, I doubt if I am wrong now, and I have made peace with my original mistake of taking Obama at face value. He turned out to be much less than that.

Nice post. I don't think I could say it better.
The surprising thing to me about Obama was that he is a Corporatist/Wall Street tool.
There has never been a friendlier administration to Wall Street than Obama's. Clinton's administration is a close second.
I would never have thought by his campaign that he was a corporatist.
And the saddest thing is so many of his supporters (which is amazing he still has them) absolutely refuse to face it.

Like you I never saw the corporatist thing coming, nor the quick pivot in 2009 to a deficit hawk willing to dismantle the social safety net for a "grand bargain". I think he retained his base because he had no real challenge on the Left and the GOP alternatives were so unpalatable. This is what happens when government and politics on the Left are run by VSPs (Very Serious People) trying to negotiate with "reasonable conservatives" that don't exist in the other party and end up talking themselves out of policies they support trying to look "bipartisan". Notice Obama always starts with what he wants to do, which makes for rousing speeches. Then he talks about what is "politically feasible" (a small rather than adequate stimulus", no single-payer with health care financing, ramped up deportations with no immigration reform; the list goes on and on; it's all the guy does). Before he starts negotiating he has already adopted his opposition's main positions, so why be surprised that they shift further to the right?

 

[AquaAthena]

What will your reaction be when you discover you were wrong about Obama?

Whether you discover he really IS a great guy and sincerely trying his best to do what's best for America and Americans...

Or...

Whether you discover he really IS a radical Leftist with an agenda to collapse America's institutions and cancel (tear up) the Constitution, impose martial law, gain complete govt. control over America and establish a Police state.

What do you think your reaction will be when you discover you were wrong about Barack Obama?

In my opinion half of us WILL have this experience.

If I am shown to have been wrong about him I will probably break down and sob like a baby.

I would feel humbled and deeply apologetic. I would write him a letter telling him just how wrong I was and how sorry I was and hope he would forgive me.

And I would never feel sure again about anything else because i was sooooooooooo sure of his malintentions. And if I was that sure about him and was proven wrong I would forevermore question my own judgment.

But I doubt I am wrong.

And so do you.

So, what will your reaction be? What will you do when you discover you were wrong about Barack Obama?

I will never be wrong about Obama. I read his books before he was elected. I knew we would be in trouble, whether through deliberation or ineptness or both.

I had hoped to be wrong.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

You left out the actual situation. A lot of us bought into the 2008 campaign rhetoric (what was really the alternative?), then discovered that Obama was a non-entity who could not lead (except from behind) and who had no convictions, just wishful thinking. And was severely delusional about the other party. If lucky, he will go down as a C- president, somewhere behind Calvin Coolidge and ahead of Rutherford B Hayes.

And worst of all, he is a corporatist Wall Street tool who surrounded himself with the worst advisors from the four previous administrations. The guy has a genius for picking the wrong people.

Like you, I doubt if I am wrong now, and I have made peace with my original mistake of taking Obama at face value. He turned out to be much less than that.

Nice post. I don't think I could say it better.
The surprising thing to me about Obama was that he is a Corporatist/Wall Street tool.
There has never been a friendlier administration to Wall Street than Obama's. Clinton's administration is a close second.
I would never have thought by his campaign that he was a corporatist.
And the saddest thing is so many of his supporters (which is amazing he still has them) absolutely refuse to face it.

Like you I never saw the corporatist thing coming, nor the quick pivot in 2009 to a deficit hawk willing to dismantle the social safety net for a "grand bargain". I think he retained his base because he had no real challenge on the Left and the GOP alternatives were so unpalatable. This is what happens when government and politics on the Left are run by VSPs (Very Serious People) trying to negotiate with "reasonable conservatives" that don't exist in the other party and end up talking themselves out of policies they support trying to look "bipartisan". Notice Obama always starts with what he wants to do, which makes for rousing speeches. Then he talks about what is "politically feasible" (a small rather than adequate stimulus", no single-payer with health care financing, ramped up deportations with no immigration reform; the list goes on and on; it's all the guy does). Before he starts negotiating he has already adopted his opposition's main positions, so why be surprised that they shift further to the right?

Exactly!
He is the king of lip service. The monarch of corralling the base while doing the opposite of what you say. But then again, is it really that hard to do anymore? We are such a divided nation today. The mere thought of accepting that the other party might be right about something (either side) send people into spasms.
I am floored that so many people don't see thru the facade. It is amazing. But then again, people believe what they want to believe.

 

[Andylusion]

What will your reaction be when you discover you were wrong about Obama?

Whether you discover he really IS a great guy and sincerely trying his best to do what's best for America and Americans...

Or...

Whether you discover he really IS a radical Leftist with an agenda to collapse America's institutions and cancel (tear up) the Constitution, impose martial law, gain complete govt. control over America and establish a Police state.

What do you think your reaction will be when you discover you were wrong about Barack Obama?

In my opinion half of us WILL have this experience.

If I am shown to have been wrong about him I will probably break down and sob like a baby.

I would feel humbled and deeply apologetic. I would write him a letter telling him just how wrong I was and how sorry I was and hope he would forgive me.

And I would never feel sure again about anything else because i was sooooooooooo sure of his malintentions. And if I was that sure about him and was proven wrong I would forevermore question my own judgment.

But I doubt I am wrong.

And so do you.

So, what will your reaction be? What will you do when you discover you were wrong about Barack Obama?

I will never be wrong about Obama. I read his books before he was elected. I knew we would be in trouble, whether through deliberation or ineptness or both.

I had hoped to be wrong.

You actually read his book? The vast majority of the people who voted for him, haven't read his book. Do you read the books of every moron running for office? (I have a low opinion of any politician automatically)

 

[Andylusion]

What will your reaction be when you discover you were wrong about Obama?

Whether you discover he really IS a great guy and sincerely trying his best to do what's best for America and Americans...

Or...

Whether you discover he really IS a radical Leftist with an agenda to collapse America's institutions and cancel (tear up) the Constitution, impose martial law, gain complete govt. control over America and establish a Police state.

What do you think your reaction will be when you discover you were wrong about Barack Obama?

In my opinion half of us WILL have this experience.

If I am shown to have been wrong about him I will probably break down and sob like a baby.

I would feel humbled and deeply apologetic. I would write him a letter telling him just how wrong I was and how sorry I was and hope he would forgive me.

And I would never feel sure again about anything else because i was sooooooooooo sure of his malintentions. And if I was that sure about him and was proven wrong I would forevermore question my own judgment.

But I doubt I am wrong.

And so do you.

So, what will your reaction be? What will you do when you discover you were wrong about Barack Obama?

Not likely to happen. There are in fact many people that somehow think Obama is intentionally trying to ruin the country.

But, we've had this before. There have been numerous presidents in history, that people thought were trying to destroy the country.

In the 1950s, Lucky Strikes cigarettes had a slogan writen LS/MFT Lucky Strikes Means Fine Tobacco. People were so convinced that Harry Truman was going to ruin the country after becoming president from 45 to 53, that people were saying LSMFT Lord Save Me From Truman.

This is nothing new, and nothing special about Obama.

The difference between you and me though, is that I don't give crap about his intentions.

Intentions are meaningless. Let me give you an example....

A charity organization in Africa convinced the locals to plant and cultivate Maize (spanish for Corn). They did this because the plant was more suitable and productive than the types of farming they were doing, for that particular region.

They convinced the farmers they would be more productive, and make more money, and the hope was that this would grow the local economy.

They grew maize, and sure enough they were very productive with bumper crops. But then, when harvest came, they had some problems. No one bought the maize. The African people didn't like Maize. They saw the corn as prison food, and reviled it.

Without anyone to buy the food, the farmers started rioting, and most of the crop was left to rot.

Now.... what were the 'intentions' of the charity people? Did they intend to make the farmers poorer than ever? With an entire years harvest left to rot? Did they intend to cause riots?

Of course not. Does it matter? No, the result was exactly what it was. Their intentions didn't change anything. The results were that the poor farmers were worse off now than before they were growing Maize no one wanted, no matter how productive growing Maize was.

Same is true of Obama.

He may have had the best intentions that any man in the whole of human history has ever had. Doesn't matter. The results are, we have a crap economy, that should have recovered 5 years ago. We have a massive national debt that at this point, we have not even a chance of paying back without a massive economic ramifications. We have a screwed up health care system, worse than ever before, with companies cutting hours, and cutting employment, in order to avoid the burden of regulations.

Who cares what his intentions were? The facts are the facts.

And honestly, when in 2007, Obama first showed up, I knew he was a decent individual..... that was going to screw up the country if we let him. And we did, and he has. So the chance of me having a 'revelation' now, after all my predictions of what he would do, have come true in almost near perfection.... Just not likely.

Take a look at Venezuela.

A million people out of a country of only 28 Million, have left over the past decade.

Power outages nation wide. Shortages across the country. The biggest black market in the country is now for Rice. People can't even buy coffee in a Latin country known for growing coffee.

Used automobiles are now more expensive than new automobiles. Armed militias now roam the streets. The murder rate is now higher in Venezuela, than any other south American country, and even higher than Mexico with it's drug cartel murders.

Do you think that when Hugo Chavez became president of what was prior to, the leading economy in all of Latin America, that he intended to ruin it? What were his intentions? What was his goal?

Better still.... WHO CARES? The facts are the facts. He ruined Venezuela. Period. His intentions don't make any difference at all.

Same with Obama. Doesn't matter what his intentions were. The path to destruction is always paved with good intentions. The facts are, Obama's policies have failed. We should get rid of him and his ideologues, and change direction back to Free-market Capitalism, that has worked all over the world.

I mostly agree with you, except on the intentions not mattering part. Myself and millions of other people knew his intentions from the start. To those of us who pay attention and do a little research his intentions were obvious, totally transform the United States of America into a Fascist, Socialist State. (in Fascism people own companies but they are totally controlled by Government Laws and Regulations).

If so many people were not dazzled by his Hitler like speeches, he would never have won.

"Five days away from the total transformation of the United States Of America" should have struck such a fear in most Americans that they would have 'tared and feathered him and ran him our of town on a rail', at the polls, not real tar and feathers, so stop with the racist shit before you even start!!

I get your point.... but I was referring to the more generic "I want to make America better".

Obama really thinks his views are the best for America, like most idiotic brainless leftards do.

Most of them really think that America would be "better" under their policies.

We know from millions of examples, that is not true. But nevertheless, they think they are doing "good".

That's what I don't care about. I don't care if you think you are helping or not. The results of your policies are what matter. The results of leftism, is always impoverishment and decline.

 

[PredFan]

If I'm wrong about obama, it will be a complete shock. I don't know how I will act really, I have no experience with being wrong.

 

[Politico]

That won't happen so I will feel fine.

 

[Mojo2]

OP is pure BS. Obama is the Debil

Well, half right is better than nothing.

 

[Politico]

Exactly. He not smart enough to be the debil. Just an apprentice.

 

[DriftingSand]

What will your reaction be when you discover you were wrong about Obama?

Whether you discover he really IS a great guy and sincerely trying his best to do what's best for America and Americans...

Or...

Whether you discover he really IS a radical Leftist with an agenda to collapse America's institutions and cancel (tear up) the Constitution, impose martial law, gain complete govt. control over America and establish a Police state.

What do you think your reaction will be when you discover you were wrong about Barack Obama?

In my opinion half of us WILL have this experience.

If I am shown to have been wrong about him I will probably break down and sob like a baby.

I would feel humbled and deeply apologetic. I would write him a letter telling him just how wrong I was and how sorry I was and hope he would forgive me.

And I would never feel sure again about anything else because i was sooooooooooo sure of his malintentions. And if I was that sure about him and was proven wrong I would forevermore question my own judgment.

But I doubt I am wrong.

And so do you.

So, what will your reaction be? What will you do when you discover you were wrong about Barack Obama?

Not likely to happen. There are in fact many people that somehow think Obama is intentionally trying to ruin the country.

But, we've had this before. There have been numerous presidents in history, that people thought were trying to destroy the country.

In the 1950s, Lucky Strikes cigarettes had a slogan writen LS/MFT Lucky Strikes Means Fine Tobacco. People were so convinced that Harry Truman was going to ruin the country after becoming president from 45 to 53, that people were saying LSMFT Lord Save Me From Truman.

This is nothing new, and nothing special about Obama.

The difference between you and me though, is that I don't give crap about his intentions.

Intentions are meaningless. Let me give you an example....

A charity organization in Africa convinced the locals to plant and cultivate Maize (spanish for Corn). They did this because the plant was more suitable and productive than the types of farming they were doing, for that particular region.

They convinced the farmers they would be more productive, and make more money, and the hope was that this would grow the local economy.

They grew maize, and sure enough they were very productive with bumper crops. But then, when harvest came, they had some problems. No one bought the maize. The African people didn't like Maize. They saw the corn as prison food, and reviled it.

Without anyone to buy the food, the farmers started rioting, and most of the crop was left to rot.

Now.... what were the 'intentions' of the charity people? Did they intend to make the farmers poorer than ever? With an entire years harvest left to rot? Did they intend to cause riots?

Of course not. Does it matter? No, the result was exactly what it was. Their intentions didn't change anything. The results were that the poor farmers were worse off now than before they were growing Maize no one wanted, no matter how productive growing Maize was.

Same is true of Obama.

He may have had the best intentions that any man in the whole of human history has ever had. Doesn't matter. The results are, we have a crap economy, that should have recovered 5 years ago. We have a massive national debt that at this point, we have not even a chance of paying back without a massive economic ramifications. We have a screwed up health care system, worse than ever before, with companies cutting hours, and cutting employment, in order to avoid the burden of regulations.

Who cares what his intentions were? The facts are the facts.

And honestly, when in 2007, Obama first showed up, I knew he was a decent individual..... that was going to screw up the country if we let him. And we did, and he has. So the chance of me having a 'revelation' now, after all my predictions of what he would do, have come true in almost near perfection.... Just not likely.

Take a look at Venezuela.

A million people out of a country of only 28 Million, have left over the past decade.

Power outages nation wide. Shortages across the country. The biggest black market in the country is now for Rice. People can't even buy coffee in a Latin country known for growing coffee.

Used automobiles are now more expensive than new automobiles. Armed militias now roam the streets. The murder rate is now higher in Venezuela, than any other south American country, and even higher than Mexico with it's drug cartel murders.

Do you think that when Hugo Chavez became president of what was prior to, the leading economy in all of Latin America, that he intended to ruin it? What were his intentions? What was his goal?

Better still.... WHO CARES? The facts are the facts. He ruined Venezuela. Period. His intentions don't make any difference at all.

Same with Obama. Doesn't matter what his intentions were. The path to destruction is always paved with good intentions. The facts are, Obama's policies have failed. We should get rid of him and his ideologues, and change direction back to Free-market Capitalism, that has worked all over the world.

I mostly agree with you, except on the intentions not mattering part. Myself and millions of other people knew his intentions from the start. To those of us who pay attention and do a little research his intentions were obvious, totally transform the United States of America into a Fascist, Socialist State. (in Fascism people own companies but they are totally controlled by Government Laws and Regulations).

If so many people were not dazzled by his Hitler like speeches, he would never have won.

"Five days away from the total transformation of the United States Of America" should have struck such a fear in most Americans that they would have 'tared and feathered him and ran him our of town on a rail', at the polls, not real tar and feathers, so stop with the racist shit before you even start!!

Speaking of "Hitler like speeches" -- check this out. You may have seen it before but I just watched it and was pretty amazed:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrjU-HBkmLE]Can You Guess Who I Am? Shocker - YouTube[/ame]

 

[midcan5]

I wonder what the slave owner thought when the war was over and he lost? I wonder what the person who finally sees in evolution a contradiction with their religion thought? I wonder what the parent thought when their only son came out and acknowledged his sexual orientation? If by this time you do not know who President Obama is then the question is about you. The obsession with our first Black president is a fascinating look into the unconscious mind. It says something about how some cannot face reality and will hold on to some world image that exists in the synapses of their mind, imprinted there and nearly impossible to change.

This linked piece was penned a bit ago, and while it cannot address the minds of those who want to see what they can only see, it raises a few questions. http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...ning-and-otherwise-engaging-in-criticism.html

 

[Listening]

What would being wrong about Obama look like.

I wasn't wrong about him.

He's a disaster.

 

[Rozman]

What will your reaction be when you discover you were wrong about Obama?

It has been established by the media and the Democrat party...

We can never use the words,wrong and Obama in the same sentence....

 

[Mojo2]

What will your reaction be when you discover you were wrong about Obama?

It has been established by the media and the Democrat party...

We can never use the words,wrong and Obama in the same sentence....

Great post!

 

[Andylusion]

I wonder what the slave owner thought when the war was over and he lost? I wonder what the person who finally sees in evolution a contradiction with their religion thought? I wonder what the parent thought when their only son came out and acknowledged his sexual orientation? If by this time you do not know who President Obama is then the question is about you. The obsession with our first Black president is a fascinating look into the unconscious mind. It says something about how some cannot face reality and will hold on to some world image that exists in the synapses of their mind, imprinted there and nearly impossible to change.

This linked piece was penned a bit ago, and while it cannot address the minds of those who want to see what they can only see, it raises a few questions. http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...ning-and-otherwise-engaging-in-criticism.html

Yeah, but just like when you first posted that other thread, you were wrong, and made up a bunch of crap then too.

There is no "obsession with our first Black president". If you are not able to see how wrong that statement is, then it's no wonder you are not able to speak accurately about anything else.

People HATED Bill Clinton, and he was white. I *HATED* Bill Clinton. Had nothing to do with his skin color. Had to do with what a corrupt and morally bankrupt person he was.

I don't hate Obama. I *HATE* his policies. Obama's policies are terrible. Has nothing to do with his skin color.

The fact you are so blinded by your political views, that you can't see that.... reflects more on you, than anyone else.

The person making this out to be about "the first black president" is you... not me. I have never once questioned anything about his skin color, nor cared. You people have done that. Not us.

 

[jasonnfree]

You left out the actual situation. A lot of us bought into the 2008 campaign rhetoric (what was really the alternative?), then discovered that Obama was a non-entity who could not lead (except from behind) and who had no convictions, just wishful thinking. And was severely delusional about the other party. If lucky, he will go down as a C- president, somewhere behind Calvin Coolidge and ahead of Rutherford B Hayes.

And worst of all, he is a corporatist Wall Street tool who surrounded himself with the worst advisors from the four previous administrations. The guy has a genius for picking the wrong people.

Like you, I doubt if I am wrong now, and I have made peace with my original mistake of taking Obama at face value. He turned out to be much less than that.

Nice post. I don't think I could say it better.
The surprising thing to me about Obama was that he is a Corporatist/Wall Street tool.
There has never been a friendlier administration to Wall Street than Obama's. Clinton's administration is a close second.
I would never have thought by his campaign that he was a corporatist.
And the saddest thing is so many of his supporters (which is amazing he still has them) absolutely refuse to face it.

Still, things have gone pretty well under Obama. He's still better than having a republican in office. I don't think a real liberal has a chance of even getting a shot at the title. Look at how Wolf Blitzer humiliated Dennis Kucinich. "Are you electable"? on national television. And the big money won't fund a liberal.

 

[jasonnfree]

What would being wrong about Obama look like.

I wasn't wrong about him.

He's a disaster.

Employment numbers look pretty good. Do you want a return of 2008? Vote republican. We'll be at war with Iran right quick also and damn the cost.

 

[Amelia]

What will your reaction be when you discover you were wrong about Obama?

Whether you discover he really IS a great guy and sincerely trying his best to do what's best for America and Americans...

Or...

Whether you discover he really IS a radical Leftist with an agenda to collapse America's institutions and cancel (tear up) the Constitution, impose martial law, gain complete govt. control over America and establish a Police state.

What do you think your reaction will be when you discover you were wrong about Barack Obama?

In my opinion half of us WILL have this experience.

If I am shown to have been wrong about him I will probably break down and sob like a baby.

I would feel humbled and deeply apologetic. I would write him a letter telling him just how wrong I was and how sorry I was and hope he would forgive me.

And I would never feel sure again about anything else because i was sooooooooooo sure of his malintentions. And if I was that sure about him and was proven wrong I would forevermore question my own judgment.

But I doubt I am wrong.

And so do you.

So, what will your reaction be? What will you do when you discover you were wrong about Barack Obama?

"Whether you discover he really IS a great guy and sincerely trying his best to do what's best for America and Americans..."

I believe he is sincerely trying his best to do what's best for America and Americans. And that's more scary than if he were intentionally behaving in a corrupt manner.

(I don't think I will find out that I'm wrong about him.)