What will you believe if science recreates the beginings of life?

[dilloduck]

I think I'm going to get a little verklempt.

get a big one---they last longer.

 

[Anguille]

get a big one---they last longer.

Buy in bulk?

 

[dilloduck]

Buy in bulk?

cheaper than any other way to get really fresh verklempt.

 

[Anguille]

Aprayerently they don't get it.

Parish the thought!!

 

[Againsheila]

Parish the thought!!

Psalm down everyone. Stop raising Cain. This tower of puns is beginning to sound just like Babel to me.

 

[dilloduck]

Parish the thought!!

Parish is the word I use to describe---la la la la la la

The Association

 

[dilloduck]

Parish is the word I use to describe---la la la la la la

The Association

and since I can't find "cherish" this song by the association wil lhave to do----they just dont make em like this anymore.

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[FistyTheBadger]

I will believe that life can be created through known scientific procedures.

 

[Anguille]

I will believe that life can be created through known scientific procedures.

When will you believe it?

 

[dilloduck]

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ok back to the topic--carry on

 

[FistyTheBadger]

When will you believe it?

I tend to believe it right now, but I hope you remember the question Truthmatters was asking us.

 

[Anguille]

ooops I found Cherish----
ok back to the topic--carry on

That's better.

 

[dilloduck]

That's better.

ty tyvm

 

[frazzledgear]

Calculating the infinite number of planets, each one being unique in some way or another, it's not impossible, on the contrary it's highly likely that it all just happened on it's own. You are talking about one planet from an infinite number of planets, we aren't the only world in the universe, nor the only solar system, nor the only galaxy, hell, we may not even be in the only universe.

You VASTLY underestimate the BILLIONS of cosmic variables scientists agree ALL had to be exactly correct for life to exist on this planet.

Stephen Hawking calculated that if the rate of the universe's expansion one second after the Big Bang had been smaller by even one part in in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have collapsed into a fireball.

If the precise amount of matter were not produced at the moment of origin, the universe would never have formed at all. If the universe expanded at any other speed, life would not be possible. If our planet were not tilted exactly the way it is (at an angle of 23.5 degrees on its axis of rotation) -life would not be possible. If Earth were any closer to the sun or any further away from the sun -life would not be possible. If the size, composition, location, orbit, distance of the earth, sun and moon were any different -life would not be possible. They are all exactly where they must be in order for life to exist. If the surface temperature of the sun was slightly higher or lower -life would not be possible. If the earth rotated on its axis at any other speed, life would not be possible. If the cosmological constant (the energy density of empty space) were any different whatsoever -life would not be possible. If the thickness of the earth's crust were any different -life would not be possible. If our planet did not have an abundant supply of carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, phosphorus and calcium - life would not be possible. No other planet anywhere has been found to have all these crucial elements necessary to sustain life. If our planet were not covered with 4/5 water which gives us evaporation, rain and plays a crucial role in regulating temperatures -life would not be possible. If water did not have such a high boiling point AND if its solid form (ice) were not less dense than its liquid form (which isn't true of nearly all other chemical compounds) -life would not be possible.

And these are just a FEW of what scientists admit are BILLIONS of totally independent cosmic factors that must be exactly right in order for life to exist. Imagine BILLIONS of dials with an INFINITE range on each of them, one for each of the billions of cosmic variables involved here -and go ahead and try and convince yourself that just randomly spinning each of them is EVER going to result in each and every one of them falling exactly to the exquisitely precise point necessary on every single one of them in order for life to even exist. The odds that Mount Rushmore resulted from the random action of wind and rain on the rock are actually billions of times higher than that. And we know for a fact Mount Rushmore did not result as a random act but was man's deliberate creation.

Roger Penrose calculated that the mathematical probability of our universe “just popping out of nowhere” with the mind-boggling degree of fine-tuning that enables us to exist in our universe to be 10 to the 10123. This number is so vast that it can’t be written on a piece of paper the size of the entire visible universe.

Stephen Hawking wrote, “It would be very difficult to explain why the universe should have begun just this way, except as an act of God who intended to create beings like us.”

“The entire universe does indeed ‘cater’ to the needs of humanity after all, insofar as it is permeated with the very same structural specifications that are necessary for human existence…These cosmic ‘coincidences’ between distant branches of physics are so compelling, in fact, that many scientists are actually coming forward and admitting that ‘something must be going on behind the scenes.’ … Physicist Freeman Dyson also said ‘As we look out into the universe and identify the many accidents of physics and astronomy that have worked together to our benefit, it almost seems as if the universe must in some sense have known that we were coming.’”

In fact, earth is even uniquely situated within our galaxy and our galaxy within the universe as to give man the best possible view of the universe -one that doesn't exist on any other planet in our galaxy or for any planet within any other known galaxy. Cosmic clouds and haze, dust, asteroid rings, nearby galaxies etc. limit the view anywhere else. Couldn't ask for a better spot from which to study the universe.

Scientists tell us that a single strand of DNA holds enough coded information to fill a 6,000 volume enclopedia. A code is something designed with the specific intent of conveying a specific MEANING that can be deciphered and that same meaning accurately interpreted by a receiver. DNA is a type of code that WE are learning to decode and comprehend as well. BUT in order for it to convey a specific meaning -then it must be sent for the purpose of being deciphered in a specific way in order to determine that meaning. And that means INTENT -as in deliberate and on purpose. In the manmade world, the only time code exists -it came about as the result of intelligent design. OURS. There is no such thing as a "random" unintentional meaningless code that just fell together by itself that just happens to "accidentally" be deciphered and understood by others to have MEANING. Everything from written and verbal language to Morse code to computer code -it must first have meaning to the creator and the INTENT that it be correctly deciphered in order to send that message. If it isn't sent with the intention of having a specific meaning -it cannot ever be decoded. "Intent" and "random chance" are diametric opposites and incompatible.

A very basic scientific fundamental truth is that when there are two examples of a similar phenomenon and you understand the cause of one of them, it is scientifically accurate to accept a similar causation as being responsible for the other. We know how all other examples of code originated -and all were purposely created. We know that an encoder must first intend to send a specific message and then encode it, that a receiver must be capable of deciphering that code in order to understand that specific message. There is INTENT to send a specific message with all other examples of code we know. To think otherwise is like pretending the gibberish a monkey pounds out on a typewriter actually conveys a specific message that is capable of being deciphered. It is still gibberish, has no meaning and is undecipherable -because it was sent with no intent of meaning in the first place. But the exquisitely specific message of DNA was created as an accident of nature, with no intent of meaning, no intent that it be correctly deciphered -but was just accidentally "deciphered" to have meaning anyway? LOL Without the intent of sending a message that has specific meaning -no code exists at all and no decoding can take place. The intent does not come from the receiver -but from the sender of that coded message. The receiver only needs to know how to decipher the code used by the sender in order to decipher the meaning of the message sent. If there is INTENT to convey a specific message and have it deciphered in a specific way in order to decipher the meaning of it -then it cannot also be random and meaningless!

To pretend that since our own intelligence did not create this code because it is beyond our capability to do so, and even though we can create far less complicated codes - that it somehow suggests that no intelligence at all was involved when it comes to a far more complicated code -is just sheer arrogance. In order to decode it, it must first have meaning to the encoder before it can have meaning to the receiver. The DNA itself is just the message, not the encoder. Common sense alone tells you it is actually far more likely to have been created by an intelligence that is also far, far more complicated and capable than our own.

 

[roomy]

Who created God?

Gad

 

[Diuretic]

My two suggestions.

1. God did it.

or


2. It was one heck of an accident.

No evidence for either at the moment but science is working on it.

 

[manifold]

My two suggestions.

1. God did it.

or


2. It was one heck of an accident.

No evidence for either at the moment but science is working on it.

I'll add a third...

It was a near certainty given the vastness of the universe.

For example, if a thing has a 1 in a million chance of happening, over the course of a billion opportunities, you'd expect to see it happen a thousand times.

 

[Care4all]

I'll add a third...

It was a near certainty given the vastness of the universe.

For example, if a thing has a 1 in a million chance of happening, over the course of a billion opportunities, you'd expect to see it happen a thousand times.

but why only ONE time? not the thousand?

 

[manifold]

but why only ONE time? not the thousand?

How do you know that for sure?

 

[Care4all]

How do you know that for sure?

I don't!!!

BUT, so far, with all of our super duper telesopes and our unmanned missions in to the unknown, there has been no other planet so far, that supports life right now.

The Bible says that God gathered all of the water from the heavens and put it here on Earth...for life here.

So far, in space exploration, this seems to be true....there have been signs recently that other planets did have water at one time....like on Mars, but it doesn't have it abundantly now.... and hasn't for millions of years....

but you are right, i don't know for certain!

care