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In fact it is the Palestinians who are refusing to negotiate with Israel, not the other way around. There are many things to negotiate about but peace and a Palestinian state are not among them since there is no political entity among the Palestinians that can credibly offer peace to Israel and it doesn't seem likely there will be in the foreseeable future.No, I am stating that there is no viable alternative to the status quo since there is not political entity among the Palestinians that can credibly offer peace to Israel.No, the first step would have to be for the Palestinians to organize a government that can credibly offer peace to Israel because at present and for the foreseeable future, there in no political entity among the Palestinians that can credibly offer peace to Israel. The Trump plan sets that as a condition for US recognition of any Palestinian state and leaves everything else up to negotiations between Israel and the Arabs in Judea and Samaria and Gaza with the plan only as the basis for negotiations and not binding.Thank you. Why not a single Pali supporter here to deny the op?
I thought I did.
See I happen to support both the Palestinian people and the Israeli people- but not every aspect of either the Palestinian or Israeli leadership.
What you posited wasn't realistic- and Israel would never let it happen- under current the current situation.
Why wouldn't that by itself result in a lasting peace? Because just like Trump's 'plan' doesn't work- it takes an agreement from both sides for a peace plan to work. And really will take a sea change in attitude on both sides.
Palestinians have decades of resentment built up by being treated as 'less than' everyone else- non-citizens with few of the rights we take for granted- and yes have been oppressed by their Israeli overlords. Israeli's have a very valid paranoia regarding their security, and a very valid concern about attacks by the Palestinian. Neither of those will go away overnight.
I think what would really need to happen is a graduated plan- and would have to start with the Palestinians renouncing violence, and an agreement on what issues Palestinians would want to see addressed for the Palestinians to recognize Israel as a legitimate nation with a right to exist. And Israel would have to lay out what conditions the Palestinians need to meet in order for Israel to recognize Palestine as a legitimate nation with a a right to exist.
And there would need to be buy in from the Arab nations to help support Palestine built up their economy as the country opened up.
Those are just my thoughts as a casual student of the history of the Middle East.
So basically you are calling for the status quo.
With the Palestinians excluded again.
And I am saying that arguing that is only in the interest of the conservatives in Israel who never want a 2 state solution.
I agree with you about the governance problem the Palestinians have. Neither of the two governments is in control of the entire territory claimed by Palestinians.
But I think refusing to negotiate with the Palestinians again just leaves the status quo. And the status quo means the violence will continue.