What the Civil War was really about. Tariffs versus Free Trade

[katsteve2012]

Sorry. Youre the one that deflected on your own OP. Why did the south say it was about slavery despite your claims?

Doesn't matter what the south said since they didn't start the war. The north did and it's absurd to think the north cared about slavery. Northern soldiers would not fight in a war to free 4 million slaves who would then come north and take their job. THINK

Youre deflecting again. The south told us they were fighting over slavery. You look like an idiot....... again.

"Looks like"?......indisputable evidence suggests that "it is".

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Well we should be kind to the OP.

He thinks that Africa is like a Tarzan movie.

Not like this.

View attachment 44795

I don't know where that pic was taken but it was prolly South Africa, the only first world country on the whole continent. It, of course, was built by whites though blacks are destroying it as i type.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

What an idiot you are.. You cannnot even stay on topic in your own thread. The poster clearly exposed your lack of understanding of what the Civil War was fought over, and now after being made to look totally stupid and misinformed, you want to change the subject and talk about Africa.

The board notes all you have is namecalling. Thanks for admitting i'm right.

 

[Syriusly]

Well we should be kind to the OP.

He thinks that Africa is like a Tarzan movie.

Not like this.

View attachment 44795

I don't know where that pic was taken but it was prolly South Africa, the only first world country on the whole continent. It, of course, was built by whites though blacks are destroying it as i type.

Once again demonstrating your extreme ignorance, fueled by your racism.

Nope- not South Africa.

 

[midcan5]

Somehow it figures that a racist moron would have a racist depiction of the first lady as their avatar and then know not a darn thing about the civil war and its oh so obvious cause. One has to wonder how people can be so dumb with so much information available today?

The *Civil War was over Slavery

A few documents and sources about a topic that constantly finds apologists and revisionists. This will be a work in progress as new sources of information are found.

"I can testify about the South under oath. I was born and raised there, and 12 men in my family fought for the Confederacy; two of them were killed. And since I was a boy, the answer I’ve heard to this question, from Virginia to Louisiana (from whites, never from blacks), is this: “The War Between the States was about states’ rights. It was not about slavery.”

I’ve heard it from women and from men, from sober people and from people liquored up on anti-Washington talk. The North wouldn’t let us govern ourselves, they say, and Congress laid on tariffs that hurt the South. So we rebelled. Secession and the Civil War, in other words, were about small government, limited federal powers and states’ rights.

But a look through the declaration of causes written by South Carolina and four of the 10 states that followed it out of the Union — which, taken together, paint a kind of self-portrait of the Confederacy — reveals a different story. From Georgia to Texas, each state said the reason it was getting out was that the awful Northern states were threatening to do away with slavery." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/opinion/19Ball.html


"Her conclusion is that the Americans who fought the Civil War overwhelmingly thought they were fighting about slavery, and that we should take their word for it."

"In this unprecedented account, Chandra Manning uses letters, diaries, and regimental newspapers to take the reader inside the minds of Civil War soldiers-black and white, Northern and Southern-as they fought and marched across a divided country. With stunning poise and narrative verve, Manning explores how the Union and Confederate soldiers came to identify slavery as the central issue of the war and what that meant for a tumultuous nation. This is a brilliant and eye-opening debut and an invaluable addition to our understanding of the Civil War as it has never been rendered before."What This Cruel War Was Over by Chandra Manning PenguinRandomHouse.com



"In citing slavery, South Carolina was less an outlier than a leader, setting the tone for other states, including Mississippi:

'Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery—the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin...."

The Confederate Cause in the Words of Its Leaders - The Atlantic


"Benjamin Franklin, in a 1773 letter to Dean Woodward, confirmed that whenever the Americans had attempted to end slavery, the British government had indeed thwarted those attempts. Franklin explained that . . . . a disposition to abolish slavery prevails in North America, that many of Pennsylvanians have set their slaves at liberty, and that even the Virginia Assembly have petitioned the King for permission to make a law for preventing the importation of more into that colony. This request, however, will probably not be granted as their former laws of that kind have always been repealed. " WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - The Founding Fathers and Slavery

Southern arguments for and against: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/86991/southern_arguments_for_and_against.html?cat=37


Argument v Lincoln's position: http://apollo3.com/~jameso/secession.html


Does the constitution allow secession: FindLaw s Writ - Dorf Does the Constitution Permit the Blue States to Secede

AmericanHeritage.com / How the North Lost the Civil War


SCOTUS ruling on secession: Texas v. White


Admission of state to union FindLaw: U.S. Constitution: Article IV: Annotations pg. 16 of 18


"A primary element of this Southern understanding of the Constitution was the right to secede. Nowhere does the original document confer the right to detach from the Union, but Southerners still found the act "entirely legitimate under the terms of the federal Constitution” (Cook 114). Perhaps one could construe the tenth amendment to grant such a right, but Article six states that all government officials must support "this Constitution,” which runs contrary to secession (U.S. Const. 6.0.3 and Am. 10, from Gienapp 435-6). Alexander Stevens used this principle as a premise in his argument against secession (59). Yet, despite this Constitutional opposition, or at least ambivalence, to secession, South Carolina declared that it had such a right. " (from above url)



White Terrorism Is as Old as America By BRIT BENNETTJUNE 19, 2015

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/19/magazine/white-terrorism-is-as-old-as-america.html

 

[katsteve2012]

What an idiot you are.. You cannnot even stay on topic in your own thread. The poster clearly exposed your lack of understanding of what the Civil War was fought over, and now after being made to look totally stupid and misinformed, you want to change the subject and talk about Africa.

The board notes all you have is namecalling. Thanks for admitting i'm right.[/Q

You are never "right" about anything "cupcake".

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Somehow it figures that a racist moron would have a racist depiction of the first lady as their avatar and then know not a darn thing about the civil war and its oh so obvious cause. One has to wonder how people can be so dumb with so much information available today?

The *Civil War was over Slavery

HAHAHA. You haven't understood a word this board has said have you?. The war could not possibly have been about slavery since BOTH sides practiced slavery throughout the war. Case closed, nitwit.

 

[there4eyeM]

Slavery cannot be separated from the position of the South. The economy depended upon slaves. Slaves do not make an internal market, so the South only exported without consuming foreign goods. The policy of 'free trade' rode on 'slave labor'.

 

[Syriusly]

Somehow it figures that a racist moron would have a racist depiction of the first lady as their avatar and then know not a darn thing about the civil war and its oh so obvious cause. One has to wonder how people can be so dumb with so much information available today?

The *Civil War was over Slavery

HAHAHA. You haven't understood a word this board has said have you?.t.

And once again- you are just you and your opinion- not the board.

And your opinion is just nutty.

 

[Faun]

Somehow it figures that a racist moron would have a racist depiction of the first lady as their avatar and then know not a darn thing about the civil war and its oh so obvious cause. One has to wonder how people can be so dumb with so much information available today?

The *Civil War was over Slavery

HAHAHA. You haven't understood a word this board has said have you?. The war could not possibly have been about slavery since BOTH sides practiced slavery throughout the war. Case closed, nitwit.

You don't even know that slavery was illegal in the northern states?? What the fuck are you arguing over if you're this fucking stupid?

 

[Syriusly]

Somehow it figures that a racist moron would have a racist depiction of the first lady as their avatar and then know not a darn thing about the civil war and its oh so obvious cause. One has to wonder how people can be so dumb with so much information available today?

The *Civil War was over Slavery

HAHAHA. You haven't understood a word this board has said have you?. The war could not possibly have been about slavery since BOTH sides practiced slavery throughout the war. Case closed, nitwit.

You don't even know that slavery was illegal in the northern states?? What the fuck are you arguing over if you're this fucking stupid?

Okay- some apples and oranges here.

Slavery was legal in Slave holding states- which we would consider Southern States.

4 of those Southern States did not secede- they were part of the Union but I would not call them "Northern".

Yes- slavery was legal in the Union- both before the war started- and after. That was essentially why the 13th Amendment was necessary.

 

[Faun]

Somehow it figures that a racist moron would have a racist depiction of the first lady as their avatar and then know not a darn thing about the civil war and its oh so obvious cause. One has to wonder how people can be so dumb with so much information available today?

The *Civil War was over Slavery

HAHAHA. You haven't understood a word this board has said have you?. The war could not possibly have been about slavery since BOTH sides practiced slavery throughout the war. Case closed, nitwit.

You don't even know that slavery was illegal in the northern states?? What the fuck are you arguing over if you're this fucking stupid?

Okay- some apples and oranges here.

Slavery was legal in Slave holding states- which we would consider Southern States.

4 of those Southern States did not secede- they were part of the Union but I would not call them "Northern".

Yes- slavery was legal in the Union- both before the war started- and after. That was essentially why the 13th Amendment was necessary.

Nope, slavery was illegal in the north:

Vermont, 1777†
Pennsylvania, 1780††
Massachusetts, 1783
Connecticut, 1784††
Rhode Island, 1784†††
Ohio, 1802
New Jersey, 1804††
Indiana, 1820
New York, 1827
Iowa, 1839
Illinois, 1843
New Hampshire. 1857†††

† = not strictly enforced
†† = only applied to folks born after the abolition laws passed
††† = freed most slaves. Rest were freed by the 13th Amendment

Slavery in the North

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Slavery cannot be separated from the position of the South. The economy depended upon slaves. Slaves do not make an internal market, so the South only exported without consuming foreign goods. The policy of 'free trade' rode on 'slave labor'.

HAHAHA. What an ignorant thing to say. The south imported far more goods than the north and that's why they so strongly opposed tariffs. The South did not manufacture much. They were mostly agricultural and had to import.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

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You don't even know that slavery was illegal in the northern states?? What the fuck are you arguing over if you're this fucking stupid?

As the board has told you a hundred times, MO KY DE & MD were slave states that sided with the north in the CW. What is wrong with you?

 

[Faun]

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You don't even know that slavery was illegal in the northern states?? What the fuck are you arguing over if you're this fucking stupid?

As the board has told you a hundred times, MO KY DE & MD were slave states that sided with the north in the CW. What is wrong with you?

So now you demonstrate yet even more ignorance by not knowing the difference between the northern states and the border states.

Meanwhile, the southern states themselves said why they seceded ... and the primary reason they gave was ... slavery.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Well we should be kind to the OP.

He thinks that Africa is like a Tarzan movie.

Not like this.

View attachment 44795

That's south Africa, run by whites.

 

[Asclepias]

Well we should be kind to the OP.

He thinks that Africa is like a Tarzan movie.

Not like this.

View attachment 44795

That's south Africa, run by whites.

South Africa is run by Blacks.

Lagos Nigeria.

 

[Syriusly]

Well we should be kind to the OP.

He thinks that Africa is like a Tarzan movie.

Not like this.

View attachment 44795

That's south Africa, run by whites.

[Sound of Buzzer going ]

Wrong- another big loser.

 

[airplanemechanic]

What city was that taken in? Is that Nairobi? you mean the city developed by foriegners?

By the mid twentieth century, many foreigners settled in Nairobi from other British-occupied regions, primarily India and parts of (present-day) Pakistan. These immigrants were workers who arrived to construct the Kampala – Mombasa railway, settling in Nairobi after its completion, and also merchants from Gujarat

 

[Syriusly]

Somehow it figures that a racist moron would have a racist depiction of the first lady as their avatar and then know not a darn thing about the civil war and its oh so obvious cause. One has to wonder how people can be so dumb with so much information available today?

The *Civil War was over Slavery

HAHAHA. You haven't understood a word this board has said have you?. The war could not possibly have been about slavery since BOTH sides practiced slavery throughout the war. Case closed, nitwit.

You don't even know that slavery was illegal in the northern states?? What the fuck are you arguing over if you're this fucking stupid?

Okay- some apples and oranges here.

Slavery was legal in Slave holding states- which we would consider Southern States.

4 of those Southern States did not secede- they were part of the Union but I would not call them "Northern".

Yes- slavery was legal in the Union- both before the war started- and after. That was essentially why the 13th Amendment was necessary.

Nope, slavery was illegal in the north:

Vermont, 1777†
Pennsylvania, 1780††
Massachusetts, 1783
Connecticut, 1784††
Rhode Island, 1784†††
Ohio, 1802
New Jersey, 1804††
Indiana, 1820
New York, 1827
Iowa, 1839
Illinois, 1843
New Hampshire. 1857†††

† = not strictly enforced
†† = only applied to folks born after the abolition laws passed
††† = freed most slaves. Rest were freed by the 13th Amendment

Slavery in the North

It is almost like you didn't actually read my post.

Slavery was legal in Slave holding states- which we would consider Southern States.

4 of those Southern States did not secede- they were part of the Union but I would not call them "Northern".

Yes- slavery was legal in the Union- both before the war started- and after. That was essentially why the 13th Amendment was necessary.