What is the scope of your religious freedom as a business?

[rightwinger]

So Red states are clamoring to pass laws allowing business to refuse to serve those who their religious beliefs say are sinners

- Can a doctor cite his religious objection to adultery and refuse to deliver a baby to a woman who is not married?

- Can businesses in a community refuse to serve a couple who are unmarried and live together?

- Can a business refuse to serve at a wedding among atheists?



.

Shitflinger,

You are an artificial stupidity routine run by the hate sites to spam this and other boards with leftist idiocy.

Doctors don't get called in to deliver a baby. Top OB/Gyns can and are very selective about the patients they accept. There are all kinds of reasons that they turn down patients. The leftists in the nation are repealing the 13th Amendment, so the ability of a doctor to choose which patients to have is in extreme danger, as is all civil liberty.

I realize you are attempting to create a straw man, but this has failed.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction

This was once the law of the land.

Looks like you are stuck on stupid

No, OB/Gyns can not currently reject patients because they are not married or are atheiests

Only in your bizarre/fantasy libertarian world

 

[sealybobo]

Many of the world's most widespread religions are based on texts that clearly and succinctly describe homosexuality as wrong, punishable, and even forbidden.

Now in the U.S. the Fed govt has passed legislation saying that businesses cannot refuse to serve customers because they are homosexual.

Does that legislation violate the 1st amendment for people in those religions, who run businesses?

Do you lose the constitutional protection of your right to "freely exercise" your religion, if you start a business?

Does your religion involve discrimination? Then yes. And most do.

Can Mormons have multiple wives and why not?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Jake, since you are queer, that means all people must bow to you and do as you command?

 

[bendog]

The bigots want to be able to serve cake to a straight who is getting married for the third time but not to a newlywed gay couple, because they think its gays who are ruining marriage.

It just doesn't get more hypocritical or stupid as that.

This isn't about religious freedom. Religion has nothing to do with it. This is about the freedom to be a hateful sanctimonious retard. Just like their KKK political ancestors.

Using God as a pretense for being a bigot is as evil as it gets.

I see the racial thing too, but maybe a little differently. There absolutely was a religious overtone to the KKK. It was about protecting a white protestant patriarchal society. They didn't like Jews or Catholics much either. LOL

But there is a social difference. Back in 1950s Mississippi (I wasn't here but I hear tell) if you were a white merchant who failed to tow the segregationist line, you would be prosecuted for any laws broken, and your business would be vandalized or worse. The anti-gay bigots really don't have the political or economic power. As the NCAA and Eli Lilly just explained to the bozo Pence.

The very reason the anti-gay bigots don't have the political and economic power today is precisely because their racist ancestors caused those powers to be forcibly removed by the federal government.

That's why they whine about wanting that power back. So they can go back to the "good old days" they frequently harp about.

I dunno. Even back in the mid-1970s, which is about as far as I recall (-: I don't think we'd have been OK with firing all the queers because they were queer so as to have a queer free workplace. One of my father's peers was a guy who would be sent by his corporate employer to straighten out under performing satellite offices, and he said his first step was to fire all the gays and women. My brother and I were never really sure the guy was joking, but even back then we knew it was wrong.

 

[Skull Pilot]

(patiently)

Many religions consider homosexuality immoral.

And also forbid people to encourage immorality.

Their not encouraging it if the people are gay before they come into the bakery.

Isn't divorce considered immoral in a lot of religions too?

I bet these so pious bakers have no problem baking a wedding cake for some divorced sinners second marriage

Do you see the problem yet?

The greater problem is thinking fining or forcing these people out of business via government action is the proper response.

I have no problem with these "pious" people refusing to serve anyone as long as it applies to ALL sinners.

Let's see how their business does then

 

[martybegan]

(patiently)

Many religions consider homosexuality immoral.

And also forbid people to encourage immorality.

Their not encouraging it if the people are gay before they come into the bakery.

Isn't divorce considered immoral in a lot of religions too?

I bet these so pious bakers have no problem baking a wedding cake for some divorced sinners second marriage

Do you see the problem yet?

The greater problem is thinking fining or forcing these people out of business via government action is the proper response.

I have no problem with these "pious" people refusing to serve anyone as long as it applies to ALL sinners.

Let's see how their business does then

Its not up to government to decide how a person follows or interprets their religion. You can do it, via boycott or a media campaign against said business, but leave government out of it.

Basically you can be a petty twat all you want, just do it yourself and don't get some bullshit "Equal Opportunity Commission" to do your dirty work for you.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Looks like you are stuck on stupid

No, OB/Gyns can not currently reject patients because they are not married or are atheiests

Only in your bizarre/fantasy libertarian world

Again, you are not real, you're just a computer virus spreading shit from the hate sites.

{Dr. Hoang estimates there are 50 OB/GYNs in Kern County. About 20 are above age 55 and close to retirement he says. So he believes there will be a huge shortage in Kern county in the next five years.

"A lot of new OB patients or pregnant patients come in and they are not seen until at least twelve weeks pregnant because they couldn't get in soon enough. And I think that's the most important part of a lady's pregnancy is the first trimester...we need to see those patients early on."

Many OB/GYNs come to Bakersfield through the only OB/GYN residency program in town at Kern Medical Center.

The Program Director Dr. Antonio Garcia agrees there could be a major shortage in the future if more doctors don't stay in the area. His program graduates three doctors a year and on average only one stays in Kern County. }

OB GYN Shortage Not enough doctors to meet patient demand - KernGoldenEmpire

World s Sexiest OBGYN Has 15-Month Long Waiting List For Patients Empire News

They turn people down for all sorts of reasons, bot.

 

[Skull Pilot]

(patiently)

Many religions consider homosexuality immoral.

And also forbid people to encourage immorality.

Their not encouraging it if the people are gay before they come into the bakery.

Isn't divorce considered immoral in a lot of religions too?

I bet these so pious bakers have no problem baking a wedding cake for some divorced sinners second marriage

Do you see the problem yet?

The greater problem is thinking fining or forcing these people out of business via government action is the proper response.

I have no problem with these "pious" people refusing to serve anyone as long as it applies to ALL sinners.

Let's see how their business does then

Its not up to government to decide how a person follows or interprets their religion. You can do it, via boycott or a media campaign against said business, but leave government out of it.

Basically you can be a petty twat all you want, just do it yourself and don't get some bullshit "Equal Opportunity Commission" to do your dirty work for you.

I don't believe this issue is about religion at all.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Many of the world's most widespread religions are based on texts that clearly and succinctly describe homosexuality as wrong, punishable, and even forbidden.

Now in the U.S. the Fed govt has passed legislation saying that businesses cannot refuse to serve customers because they are homosexual.

Does that legislation violate the 1st amendment for people in those religions, who run businesses?

Do you lose the constitutional protection of your right to "freely exercise" your religion, if you start a business?

You don't lose them, they become secondary to the laws businesses are required to follow. There might be no taxes in your religion but there sure as hell are in our business regulations.

It's the same when you go to work or you go to school. You still have rights but they have rules. Follow the rules and everyone gets along just fine.

 

[martybegan]

(patiently)

Many religions consider homosexuality immoral.

And also forbid people to encourage immorality.

Their not encouraging it if the people are gay before they come into the bakery.

Isn't divorce considered immoral in a lot of religions too?

I bet these so pious bakers have no problem baking a wedding cake for some divorced sinners second marriage

Do you see the problem yet?

The greater problem is thinking fining or forcing these people out of business via government action is the proper response.

I have no problem with these "pious" people refusing to serve anyone as long as it applies to ALL sinners.

Let's see how their business does then

Its not up to government to decide how a person follows or interprets their religion. You can do it, via boycott or a media campaign against said business, but leave government out of it.

Basically you can be a petty twat all you want, just do it yourself and don't get some bullshit "Equal Opportunity Commission" to do your dirty work for you.

I don't believe this issue is about religion at all.

You can believe what you want. All 3 of the monotheistic religions find Homosexuality sinful.

 

[martybegan]

Many of the world's most widespread religions are based on texts that clearly and succinctly describe homosexuality as wrong, punishable, and even forbidden.

Now in the U.S. the Fed govt has passed legislation saying that businesses cannot refuse to serve customers because they are homosexual.

Does that legislation violate the 1st amendment for people in those religions, who run businesses?

Do you lose the constitutional protection of your right to "freely exercise" your religion, if you start a business?

You don't lose them, they become secondary to the laws businesses are required to follow. There might be no taxes in your religion but there sure as hell are in our business regulations.

It's the same when you go to work or you go to school. You still have rights but they have rules. Follow the rules and everyone gets along just fine.

Otherwise known as BAKE THAT FUCKING CAKE, PEASANT

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Many of the world's most widespread religions are based on texts that clearly and succinctly describe homosexuality as wrong, punishable, and even forbidden.

Now in the U.S. the Fed govt has passed legislation saying that businesses cannot refuse to serve customers because they are homosexual.

Does that legislation violate the 1st amendment for people in those religions, who run businesses?

Do you lose the constitutional protection of your right to "freely exercise" your religion, if you start a business?

You don't lose them, they become secondary to the laws businesses are required to follow. There might be no taxes in your religion but there sure as hell are in our business regulations.

It's the same when you go to work or you go to school. You still have rights but they have rules. Follow the rules and everyone gets along just fine.

Otherwise known as BAKE THAT FUCKING CAKE, PEASANT

Works for me.

 

[rightwinger]

Has our country reached a point where business can now serve moral judgement on its customers?

From your perspective as a totalitarian thug, dedicated to eradicating all individual rights and freedom, let me ask you;

Say there is a very talented cake decorator who is unemployed and looking for a job. A gay baker hears of this person, and orders him to come work at his bakery. The decorator refuses, stating that he won't work for a queer.

Should the law force the decorator to work for the baker? Should the baker be able to sue the decorator for refusing to work for him?

Back when

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction

was the law of the land, this was simple - now that you have repealed that law, it is murky.You democrats have always promoted slavery. You have shown that involuntary servitude is now a part of our nation, that homosexuals are a superior segment that own all others who must serve them without question. So given that the baker is gay, then should he be required to pay his slave?

But you tried.....So HARD

You, of course, have it backwards

A gay baker can work for anyone he chooses
An employer can't say...I will not hire you because you are a gay baker

 

[rightwinger]

Looks like you are stuck on stupid

No, OB/Gyns can not currently reject patients because they are not married or are atheiests

Only in your bizarre/fantasy libertarian world

Again, you are not real, you're just a computer virus spreading shit from the hate sites.

{Dr. Hoang estimates there are 50 OB/GYNs in Kern County. About 20 are above age 55 and close to retirement he says. So he believes there will be a huge shortage in Kern county in the next five years.

"A lot of new OB patients or pregnant patients come in and they are not seen until at least twelve weeks pregnant because they couldn't get in soon enough. And I think that's the most important part of a lady's pregnancy is the first trimester...we need to see those patients early on."

Many OB/GYNs come to Bakersfield through the only OB/GYN residency program in town at Kern Medical Center.

The Program Director Dr. Antonio Garcia agrees there could be a major shortage in the future if more doctors don't stay in the area. His program graduates three doctors a year and on average only one stays in Kern County. }

OB GYN Shortage Not enough doctors to meet patient demand - KernGoldenEmpire

World s Sexiest OBGYN Has 15-Month Long Waiting List For Patients Empire News

They turn people down for all sorts of reasons, bot.

I hope you do realize that what you just posted does nothing to prove your point

Now, go find something that backs up your assertion that OB/Gyns can turn down patients because they are unmarried or are atheists

 

[Asclepias]

Many of the world's most widespread religions are based on texts that clearly and succinctly describe homosexuality as wrong, punishable, and even forbidden.

Now in the U.S. the Fed govt has passed legislation saying that businesses cannot refuse to serve customers because they are homosexual.

Does that legislation violate the 1st amendment for people in those religions, who run businesses?

Do you lose the constitutional protection of your right to "freely exercise" your religion, if you start a business?

No. You can practice your religion in private but you dont have a right to effect others by practicing it.

 

[martybegan]

Many of the world's most widespread religions are based on texts that clearly and succinctly describe homosexuality as wrong, punishable, and even forbidden.

Now in the U.S. the Fed govt has passed legislation saying that businesses cannot refuse to serve customers because they are homosexual.

Does that legislation violate the 1st amendment for people in those religions, who run businesses?

Do you lose the constitutional protection of your right to "freely exercise" your religion, if you start a business?

No. You can practice your religion in private but you dont have a right to effect others by practicing it.

Where the fuck is that in the constitution? So considering me driving to church affects others, i.e. creates traffic, I am not allowed to do that (by your convoluted logic)?

 

[Asclepias]

Their not encouraging it if the people are gay before they come into the bakery.

Isn't divorce considered immoral in a lot of religions too?

I bet these so pious bakers have no problem baking a wedding cake for some divorced sinners second marriage

Do you see the problem yet?

The greater problem is thinking fining or forcing these people out of business via government action is the proper response.

I have no problem with these "pious" people refusing to serve anyone as long as it applies to ALL sinners.

Let's see how their business does then

Its not up to government to decide how a person follows or interprets their religion. You can do it, via boycott or a media campaign against said business, but leave government out of it.

Basically you can be a petty twat all you want, just do it yourself and don't get some bullshit "Equal Opportunity Commission" to do your dirty work for you.

I don't believe this issue is about religion at all.

You can believe what you want. All 3 of the monotheistic religions find Homosexuality sinful.

There are no monotheistic religions.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Many of the world's most widespread religions are based on texts that clearly and succinctly describe homosexuality as wrong, punishable, and even forbidden.

Now in the U.S. the Fed govt has passed legislation saying that businesses cannot refuse to serve customers because they are homosexual.

Does that legislation violate the 1st amendment for people in those religions, who run businesses?

Do you lose the constitutional protection of your right to "freely exercise" your religion, if you start a business?

You don't lose them, they become secondary to the laws businesses are required to follow. There might be no taxes in your religion but there sure as hell are in our business regulations.

It's the same when you go to work or you go to school. You still have rights but they have rules. Follow the rules and everyone gets along just fine.

Otherwise known as BAKE THAT FUCKING CAKE, PEASANT

Works for me.

so while the U.S. Constitution is burned up by the Left all you Marie Antoinettes have to say is Let them Eat Cake....

 

[Asclepias]

Many of the world's most widespread religions are based on texts that clearly and succinctly describe homosexuality as wrong, punishable, and even forbidden.

Now in the U.S. the Fed govt has passed legislation saying that businesses cannot refuse to serve customers because they are homosexual.

Does that legislation violate the 1st amendment for people in those religions, who run businesses?

Do you lose the constitutional protection of your right to "freely exercise" your religion, if you start a business?

No. You can practice your religion in private but you dont have a right to effect others by practicing it.

Where the fuck is that in the constitution? So considering me driving to church affects others, i.e. creates traffic, I am not allowed to do that (by your convoluted logic)?

Who told you it was in the constitution? Driving is not a right.

 

[martybegan]

The greater problem is thinking fining or forcing these people out of business via government action is the proper response.

I have no problem with these "pious" people refusing to serve anyone as long as it applies to ALL sinners.

Let's see how their business does then

Its not up to government to decide how a person follows or interprets their religion. You can do it, via boycott or a media campaign against said business, but leave government out of it.

Basically you can be a petty twat all you want, just do it yourself and don't get some bullshit "Equal Opportunity Commission" to do your dirty work for you.

I don't believe this issue is about religion at all.

You can believe what you want. All 3 of the monotheistic religions find Homosexuality sinful.

There are no monotheistic religions.

"We believe in One God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth"

I must have said that 1000's of times growing up....