What is the scope of your religious freedom as a business?

[g5000]

The bigots want to be able to serve cake to a straight who is getting married for the third time but not to a newlywed gay couple, because they think its gays who are ruining marriage.

It just doesn't get more hypocritical or stupid as that.

This isn't about religious freedom. Religion has nothing to do with it. This is about the freedom to be a hateful sanctimonious retard. Just like their KKK political ancestors.

Using God as a pretense for being a bigot is as evil as it gets.

Nobody will admit it, but this is all coming down to conservatives acknowledging that they have lost the battle against gay marriage

If they can't stop gays from marrying, they can still do their best to stop it from being a pleasant experience

They will do their best to deny gays all the benefits of marriage, and will work hard to sabotage gay marriages every step of the way in an attempt to make gay marriages fail so they can point to the failures as evidence they were right!

Every messy gay divorce will be trumpeted, while conveniently ignoring their own messy divorces.

The wedding cake fiasco is symbolic of their rank hypocrisy. Rush Limbaugh can get wedding cakes for all four of his marriages, but God doesn't want gays to have even one cake. Yeah, right.

That isn't God turning the minds of these masqueraders away from their fellow human beings.

 

[The Rabbi]

The bigots want to be able to serve cake to a straight who is getting married for the third time but not to a newlywed gay couple, because they think its gays who are ruining marriage.

It just doesn't get more hypocritical or stupid as that.

This isn't about religious freedom. Religion has nothing to do with it. This is about the freedom to be a hateful sanctimonious retard. Just like their KKK political ancestors.

Using God as a pretense for being a bigot is as evil as it gets.

Nobody will admit it, but this is all coming down to conservatives acknowledging that they have lost the battle against gay marriage

If they can't stop gays from marrying, they can still do their best to stop it from being a pleasant experience

They will do their best to deny gays all the benefits of marriage, and will work hard to sabotage gay marriages every step of the way so they can celebrate the failure of gay marriages as evidence they were right!

Whut?

 

[bendog]

The bigots want to be able to serve cake to a straight who is getting married for the third time but not to a newlywed gay couple, because they think its gays who are ruining marriage.

It just doesn't get more hypocritical or stupid as that.

This isn't about religious freedom. Religion has nothing to do with it. This is about the freedom to be a hateful sanctimonious retard. Just like their KKK political ancestors.

Using God as a pretense for being a bigot is as evil as it gets.

I see the racial thing too, but maybe a little differently. There absolutely was a religious overtone to the KKK. It was about protecting a white protestant patriarchal society. They didn't like Jews or Catholics much either. LOL

But there is a social difference. Back in 1950s Mississippi (I wasn't here but I hear tell) if you were a white merchant who failed to tow the segregationist line, you would be prosecuted for any laws broken, and your business would be vandalized or worse. The anti-gay bigots really don't have the political or economic power. As the NCAA and Eli Lilly just explained to the bozo Pence.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

So Red states are clamoring to pass laws allowing business to refuse to serve those who their religious beliefs say are sinners

- Can a doctor cite his religious objection to adultery and refuse to deliver a baby to a woman who is not married?

- Can businesses in a community refuse to serve a couple who are unmarried and live together?

- Can a business refuse to serve at a wedding among atheists?



.

You brought up a good point. The bigger question where do we have a right to practice our religion and not. We all agree that we have that right within church property but the problem is is that people carry those values (except republicans) across that property. People practice their religious beliefs inside as well as outside of church and to say that they can't practice their religion outside of certain physical boundaries (property line) is really saying they can't practice their religion at all since they can't execute those beliefs outside of church building. In order to end the descrepency all religion must be banned.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I have yet to hear one cogent argument as to how serving a gay person, a divorced person, an adulterer or any other "sinner" in a business is denying a the server their religious freedom.

 

[bodecea]

Has our country reached a point where business can now serve moral judgement on its customers?

Businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone. Let the fags cry.

If PA laws were gone. What have YOU actively done to eliminate PA laws?

 

[Little-Acorn]

Many of the world's most widespread religions are based on texts that clearly and succinctly describe homosexuality as wrong, punishable, and even forbidden.

Now in the U.S. the Fed govt has passed legislation saying that businesses cannot refuse to serve customers because they are homosexual.

Does that legislation violate the 1st amendment for people in those religions, who run businesses?

Do you lose the constitutional protection of your right to "freely exercise" your religion, if you start a business?

 

[chikenwing]

No why would they?

 

[Skull Pilot]

As long as the business owner isn't performing the forbidden act the he's not violating his religion.

Show me in any religious set of tenets where it says one must not associate or look at a sinner lest they go to hell.

 

[Uncensored2008]

So Red states are clamoring to pass laws allowing business to refuse to serve those who their religious beliefs say are sinners

- Can a doctor cite his religious objection to adultery and refuse to deliver a baby to a woman who is not married?

- Can businesses in a community refuse to serve a couple who are unmarried and live together?

- Can a business refuse to serve at a wedding among atheists?



.

Shitflinger,

You are an artificial stupidity routine run by the hate sites to spam this and other boards with leftist idiocy.

Doctors don't get called in to deliver a baby. Top OB/Gyns can and are very selective about the patients they accept. There are all kinds of reasons that they turn down patients. The leftists in the nation are repealing the 13th Amendment, so the ability of a doctor to choose which patients to have is in extreme danger, as is all civil liberty.

I realize you are attempting to create a straw man, but this has failed.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction

This was once the law of the land.

 

[Little-Acorn]

(patiently)

Many religions consider homosexuality immoral.

And also forbid people to encourage immorality.

Back o the subject
Many of the world's most widespread religions are based on texts that clearly and succinctly describe homosexuality as wrong, punishable, and even forbidden.

Now in the U.S. the Fed govt has passed legislation saying that businesses cannot refuse to serve customers because they are homosexual.

Does that legislation violate the 1st amendment for people in those religions, who run businesses?

Do you lose the constitutional protection of your right to "freely exercise" your religion, if you start a business?

 

[zeke]

Do you lose the constitutional protection of your right to "freely exercise" your religion, if you start a business?

Is your business gonna be a church? If not, no. You are free to pray to your hearts content that no gay people come into your place of business.

Then when they do (and they will they are everywhere you know) you smile and charge them double. Saying thank you Jesus thank you Lord for these wealthy gay people.

Then on Sunday, give an extra 5% tithe. You be good to go with your God.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Does being gay mean you lose constitutional protection that straights enjoy?

 

[Skull Pilot]

(patiently)

Many religions consider homosexuality immoral.

And also forbid people to encourage immorality.

They're not encouraging it if the people are gay before they come into the bakery.

Isn't divorce considered immoral in a lot of religions too?

I bet these so pious bakers have no problem baking a wedding cake for some divorced sinners second marriage

Do you see the problem yet?

 

[g5000]

The bigots want to be able to serve cake to a straight who is getting married for the third time but not to a newlywed gay couple, because they think its gays who are ruining marriage.

It just doesn't get more hypocritical or stupid as that.

This isn't about religious freedom. Religion has nothing to do with it. This is about the freedom to be a hateful sanctimonious retard. Just like their KKK political ancestors.

Using God as a pretense for being a bigot is as evil as it gets.

I see the racial thing too, but maybe a little differently. There absolutely was a religious overtone to the KKK. It was about protecting a white protestant patriarchal society. They didn't like Jews or Catholics much either. LOL

But there is a social difference. Back in 1950s Mississippi (I wasn't here but I hear tell) if you were a white merchant who failed to tow the segregationist line, you would be prosecuted for any laws broken, and your business would be vandalized or worse. The anti-gay bigots really don't have the political or economic power. As the NCAA and Eli Lilly just explained to the bozo Pence.

The very reason the anti-gay bigots don't have the political and economic power today is precisely because their racist ancestors caused those powers to be forcibly removed by the federal government.

That's why they whine about wanting that power back. So they can go back to the "good old days" they frequently harp about.

 

[Little-Acorn]

Is your business gonna be a church? If not, no. You are free to pray to your hearts content that no gay people come into your place of business.
Then when they do (and they will they are everywhere you know) you smile and charge them double. Saying thank you Jesus thank you Lord for these wealthy gay people.
Then on Sunday, give an extra 5% tithe. You be good to go with your God.

So we have one poster who agrees that treating homosexuals differently due to their homosexuality, is OK.

Anyone else?

 

[martybegan]

Do you lose the constitutional protection of your right to "freely exercise" your religion, if you start a business?

Is your business gonna be a church? If not, no. You are free to pray to your hearts content that no gay people come into your place of business.

Then when they do (and they will they are everywhere you know) you smile and charge them double. Saying thank you Jesus thank you Lord for these wealthy gay people.

Then on Sunday, give an extra 5% tithe. You be good to go with your God.

I can't seem to find the part of the constitution that only gives protection to churches themselves.

Plus we know you assholes are going to go after Churches next, you can't help yourself. You just can't deal with people believing in things different than your views.

 

[martybegan]

(patiently)

Many religions consider homosexuality immoral.

And also forbid people to encourage immorality.

Their not encouraging it if the people are gay before they come into the bakery.

Isn't divorce considered immoral in a lot of religions too?

I bet these so pious bakers have no problem baking a wedding cake for some divorced sinners second marriage

Do you see the problem yet?

The greater problem is thinking fining or forcing these people out of business via government action is the proper response.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Has our country reached a point where business can now serve moral judgement on its customers?

From your perspective as a totalitarian thug, dedicated to eradicating all individual rights and freedom, let me ask you;

Say there is a very talented cake decorator who is unemployed and looking for a job. A gay baker hears of this person, and orders him to come work at his bakery. The decorator refuses, stating that he won't work for a queer.

Should the law force the decorator to work for the baker? Should the baker be able to sue the decorator for refusing to work for him?

Back when

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction

was the law of the land, this was simple - now that you have repealed that law, it is murky.You democrats have always promoted slavery. You have shown that involuntary servitude is now a part of our nation, that homosexuals are a superior segment that own all others who must serve them without question. So given that the baker is gay, then should he be required to pay his slave?

 

[TooTall]

Do you lose the constitutional protection of your right to "freely exercise" your religion, if you start a business?

Is your business gonna be a church? If not, no. You are free to pray to your hearts content that no gay people come into your place of business.

Then when they do (and they will they are everywhere you know) you smile and charge them double. Saying thank you Jesus thank you Lord for these wealthy gay people.

Then on Sunday, give an extra 5% tithe. You be good to go with your God.

That describes exactly what you would do, but a Christian has morals, ethics and principles that would not allow that sort of hypocrisy. Three things that you don't understand the meaning of.